Can someone explain this logic about FeelsBadMan

[whatintheworld]

1. Claims to have maximized his looks before and gotten women.
2. Claims to also be ugly and has no hope with women.

This begs the question, if he is so miserable and depressed about not being able to get women, why does he not just do step 1 again and solve his problem?

The only reason I posit is that he is a lazy loser.

 

[whatintheworld]

He is alledgedly very high maintenance.

That means specific diet, specific training, specific hair, specific skin care routine. At the end of the day one might feel exhausted if all you eat and do is all about how you look and still maybe don't have a resolution for your hair. I myself used to fee tired BUT imo it's worth doing it regardless and you will feel much worse if you let yourself go.

Then he has no knowledge about physical training or diet and was doing everything completely inefficiently.

Specific skin care routine, wtf? Is he a woman applying makeup for over an hour a day?

These are all bs excuses, of course he is a troll like we all knew.

 

[I wont lose this]

it's over for him

 

[Norwoodcel]

Over

 

[KevinEdEddEddy]

Well I think there is the same factor in him as in me, by which I mean loss of confidence along with hair, which leads to loss of motivation to pick up girls or engage in man-woman relationships. I was even told by several people I look hot now, but the only thing I replied was 'shut the f*** up you are lying', because I often look at myself in disgust. Lmao

 

[BS7671]

1. Claims to have maximized his looks before and gotten women.
2. Claims to also be ugly and has no hope with women

So he claims to have good and or bad looks like he has a case of Schrödinger's aesthetics.
Schrödinger should've used him instead of a cat would've been considered a noble deed.

 

[whatintheworld]

Well I think there is the same factor in him as in me, by which I mean loss of confidence along with hair, which leads to loss of motivation to pick up girls or engage in man-woman relationships. I was even told by several people I look hot now, but the only thing I replied was 'shut the f*** up you are lying', because I often look at myself in disgust. Lmao

Don't know your Norwood but if you get compliments then keep doing what you're doing.

For him no one even knows his level of hairloss, he could be a Norwood 1 troll for all we know.

 

[Feelsbadman]

I feel like I have repeated myself a million times.

I have all the genetic traits women do not like:

short
weak facial features (e.g. no jaw, cheek bones etc)
bald
sickly looking pale skin
genetic dark circles
etc

So what I did, I through a tonne of trial and error I did everything I could to improve these short comings.

Shoe lifts
Cutting to an absurdly low body fat so my jaw becomes normal looking
Eating specific foods to improve my complexion
light make up
Making sure I eat super strict diet low sodium to avoid blaoting
taking various supplements
Making sure i have perfect sleep
finasteride
toppik etc
the list goes on

But it worked ! The problem is that its so mentally taxing..Whats worse is that the difference in the way women treat me is night and day all but further making me realise how important looks are.

I had a girlfriend when I "peaked". everyday I think about it and even miss it becauase I know it just wont happen again. Ive never had a successful interaction with a women when I have not looksmaxed..Im talking about just looking myself. Ive. had women call me short..Saying. i look very pale I get treated like trash. Then i go extreme looksmax mode and women want to sleep with me? its fucked. And no its not because im. more confident or any of that sh*t..

so now i just try and accept it and live in misery find ways to cope.

 

[whatintheworld]

I feel like I have repeated myself a million times.

I have all the genetic traits women do not like:

short
weak facial features (e.g. no jaw, cheek bones etc)
bald
sickly looking pale skin
genetic dark circles
etc

So what I did, I through a tonne of trial and error I did everything I could to improve these short comings.

Shoe lifts
Cutting to an absurdly low body fat so my jaw becomes normal looking
Eating specific foods to improve my complexion
light make up
Making sure I eat super strict diet low sodium to avoid blaoting
taking various supplements
Making sure i have perfect sleep
finasteride
toppik etc
the list goes on

But it worked ! The problem is that its so mentally taxing..Whats worse is that the difference in the way women treat me is night and day all but further making me realise how important looks are.

I had a girlfriend when I "peaked". everyday I think about it and even miss it becauase I know it just wont happen again. Ive never had a successful interaction with a women when I have not looksmaxed..Im talking about just looking myself. Ive. had women call me short..Saying. i look very pale I get treated like trash. Then i go extreme looksmax mode and women want to sleep with me? its fucked. And no its not because im. more confident or any of that sh*t..

so now i just try and accept it and live in misery find ways to cope.

First of all:

1) Shoe lifts: takes no energy.
2) Cutting to absurdly low body fat: Not healthy and you overdid it.
3) Makeup: Don't wear make up.
4) Just eat normally, mostly fruits and vegetables and clean calories, avoid fast food, this way you avoid sodium naturally.
5) Various supplements: they probably do nothing so you can drop them
6) This is out of anyone's control and just maintaining a regular sleep schedule is something everyone in the world needs to do, except for people who work night shifts.
7) finasteride: nobody even knows if you need to take it as you never disclosed your Norwood level or shown pictures of your hair. You may be taking it for nothing. But again, this is popping a pill and takes no effort.
8) toppik: takes as long as brushing your teeth.

If this is all mentally taxing, how the hell do you go to work? Does your job even require any mental activity or do you work at mcdonalds or something? (no offense if you do).

 

[Feelsbadman]

First of all:

1) Shoe lifts: takes no energy.
2) Cutting to absurdly low body fat: Not healthy and you overdid it.
3) Makeup: Don't wear make up.
4) Just eat normally, mostly fruits and vegetables and clean calories, avoid fast food, this way you avoid sodium naturally.
5) Various supplements: they probably do nothing so you can drop them
6) This is out of anyone's control and just maintaining a regular sleep schedule is something everyone in the world needs to do, except for people who work night shifts.
7) finasteride: nobody even knows if you need to take it as you never disclosed your Norwood level or shown pictures of your hair. You may be taking it for nothing. But again, this is popping a pill and takes no effort.
8) toppik: takes as long as brushing your teeth.

If this is all mentally taxing, how the hell do you go to work? Does your job even require any mental activity or do you work at mcdonalds or something? (no offense if you do).

Supplements make a big difference to my skin and complexion

Anyway i don't understand your post, I need to do all those things to look attractive. Then you go through my list and tell me not to do those things ?

This is why it is mentally taxing, because all those things are required and even small changes can make a big difference in my appearance. So it creates a lot of anxiety trying to keep up with such a perfect diet, training, supplements and the strict looksmaxing routine.

Simple eating healthy, wearing shoe lifts isn't enough for me unfortunately.

 

[whatintheworld]

Supplements make a big difference to my skin and complexion

Anyway i don't understand your post, I need to do all those things to look attractive. Then you go through my list and tell me not to do those things ?

This is why it is mentally taxing, because all those things are required and even small changes can make a big difference in my appearance. So it creates a lot of anxiety trying to keep up with such a perfect diet, training, supplements and the strict looksmaxing routine.

Simple eating healthy, wearing shoe lifts isn't enough for me unfortunately.

The point is that those "chads" do everything that you do to look as good as they do. They work out all the time, eat clean all the time, make sure they are groomed on point, get good haircuts often, etc.

And the point of my list is to show nothing that you mentioned is that mentally exhausting at all, in fact it's like the bare minimum needed to look good. I don't know anyone who eats crap and doesn't exercise and looks good.

What is hard is finding time to do all this if you have a hard, exhausting job, long commute, then come home and have to cook for yourself, clean your apartment, find time to socialize, etc.

You do have all of this right?...

 

[Feelsbadman]

The point is that those "chads" do everything that you do to look as good as they do. They work out all the time, eat clean all the time, make sure they are groomed on point, get good haircuts often, etc.

And the point of my list is to show nothing that you mentioned is that mentally exhausting at all, in fact it's like the bare minimum needed to look good. I don't know anyone who eats crap and doesn't exercise and looks good.

What is hard is finding time to do all this if you have a hard, exhausting job, long commute, then come home and have to cook for yourself, clean your apartment, find time to socialize, etc.

You do have all of this right?...

That's the entire point? It is hard to do all that + work a job, commute and all the things you've mentioned. Whereas, a good looking, tall guy can get away with it.

This is a good example:

I went on a date with a girl. Despite eating healthy and exercising. I was tired (bad sleep night before). I ran out of my beta carotene supplements (which gives me a glowing tan). My hair was slightly long (wasn't that bad just a touch long) and the day before i had a slightly salty meal because i had lunch with work friends (so my face was puffy)

I remember during the date she even commented that i look so white and pale. I could tell straight away she wasn't sexually interested and it was a waste of time. I knew i should of cancelled it. I was right. And no it wasn't because of my "personality" we actually talked and hung out for 2-3 hours.

A good looking guy, can get away with a bit of bad sleep, eating an unhealthy meal once in a while, doing minimal exercise. They don't even think of looksmaxing and have no trouble with women. Or maybe they only looksmax minimally.

The only times women have found me attractive and i've slept with women on the first date, is if i do all those things to the extreme, it seems to work, I can see it in their eyes when they look at me. You can't fake that sh*t and that's not my "personality" making them feel that way. It's like a puppy dog / anime eyes look. I know within the first few minutes they want to f***.

The problem is like you said it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep up if you have a job, a life , etc. Imagine going out with friends and not eating and enjoying time with them because the food is too "salty" or going to bed on perfect timing , instead of watching a movie because you need to look good, the list goes on. Doing all those things isn't worth it because of the cost of missing out on life just to try and look good. But in my experience, unfortunately, it seems time and time again the only time women have been attracted to me is when i go the extreme route. There's no winning. My default is "UGLY" and doing the things gets me to a 6/10. Where as a good looking guy e.g. 6+/10 can just live their life with minimum exercise and "looksmaxing" and have no problem

i hope you understand now

 

[whatintheworld]

That's the entire point? It is hard to do all that + work a job, commute and all the things you've mentioned. Whereas, a good looking, tall guy can get away with it.

This is a good example:

I went on a date with a girl. Despite eating healthy and exercising. I was tired (bad sleep night before). I ran out of my beta carotene supplements (which gives me a glowing tan). My hair was slightly long (wasn't that bad just a touch long) and the day before i had a slightly salty meal because i had lunch with work friends (so my face was puffy)

I remember during the date she even commented that i look so white and pale. I could tell straight away she wasn't sexually interested and it was a waste of time. I knew i should of cancelled it. I was right. And no it wasn't because of my "personality" we actually talked and hung out for 2-3 hours.

A good looking guy, can get away with a bit of bad sleep, eating an unhealthy meal once in a while, doing minimal exercise. They don't even think of looksmaxing and have no trouble with women. Or maybe they only looksmax minimally.

The only times women have found me attractive and i've slept with women on the first date, is if i do all those things to the extreme, it seems to work, I can see it in their eyes when they look at me. You can't fake that sh*t and that's not my "personality" making them feel that way. It's like a puppy dog / anime eyes look. I know within the first few minutes they want to f***.

The problem is like you said it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep up if you have a job, a life , etc. Imagine going out with friends and not eating and enjoying time with them because the food is too "salty" or going to bed on perfect timing , instead of watching a movie because you need to look good, the list goes on. Doing all those things isn't worth it because of the cost of missing out on life just to try and look good. But in my experience, unfortunately, it seems time and time again the only time women have been attracted to me is when i go the extreme route. There's no winning. My default is "UGLY" and doing the things gets me to a 6/10. Where as a good looking guy e.g. 6+/10 can just live their life with minimum exercise and "looksmaxing" and have no problem

i hope you understand now

Whatever, I'm done responding to you, have fun rotting.

 

[Isaac Newton]

Whatever, I'm done responding to you, have fun rotting.

I think he probably does exaggerate somewhat but he has a point. You can both care a lot about looks and still put other things above then

A year ago I could've used the stimulus check to get a hair transplant in turkey. As someone who was nw6 at 21 , dropped out of college and didn't get a job until I was 26 cuz of baldness anxiety obviously I REALLY wud love my hair back. But Im to scared to get on a plane. For now I'm just saving for an American one

 

[Caillou]

First of all:

1) Shoe lifts: takes no energy.
2) Cutting to absurdly low body fat: Not healthy and you overdid it.
3) Makeup: Don't wear make up.
4) Just eat normally, mostly fruits and vegetables and clean calories, avoid fast food, this way you avoid sodium naturally.
5) Various supplements: they probably do nothing so you can drop them
6) This is out of anyone's control and just maintaining a regular sleep schedule is something everyone in the world needs to do, except for people who work night shifts.
7) finasteride: nobody even knows if you need to take it as you never disclosed your Norwood level or shown pictures of your hair. You may be taking it for nothing. But again, this is popping a pill and takes no effort.
8) toppik: takes as long as brushing your teeth.

If this is all mentally taxing, how the hell do you go to work? Does your job even require any mental activity or do you work at mcdonalds or something? (no offense if you do).

Why are you trying to help him? He enjoys indulging in self-pity and the attention and pity he gets from the people on here. Don't bother wasting your time with him because he actually doesn't want to get help deep inside, he just wants to satisfy his addiction to negativity

Can you imagine that he has been continously whining about the same thing every single day for SIX years now? Many people have tried to help him. But he will never listen to anyone and he will keep repeating himself like a broken record anyway

Even cancer and heart patients don't whine that much. f*** that dude honestly, what a pathetic bug

 

[Oknow]

Whatever, I'm done responding to you, have fun rotting.

@DoctorHouse

 

[Oknow]

That's the entire point? It is hard to do all that + work a job, commute and all the things you've mentioned. Whereas, a good looking, tall guy can get away with it.

This is a good example:

I went on a date with a girl. Despite eating healthy and exercising. I was tired (bad sleep night before). I ran out of my beta carotene supplements (which gives me a glowing tan). My hair was slightly long (wasn't that bad just a touch long) and the day before i had a slightly salty meal because i had lunch with work friends (so my face was puffy)

I remember during the date she even commented that i look so white and pale. I could tell straight away she wasn't sexually interested and it was a waste of time. I knew i should of cancelled it. I was right. And no it wasn't because of my "personality" we actually talked and hung out for 2-3 hours.

A good looking guy, can get away with a bit of bad sleep, eating an unhealthy meal once in a while, doing minimal exercise. They don't even think of looksmaxing and have no trouble with women. Or maybe they only looksmax minimally.

The only times women have found me attractive and i've slept with women on the first date, is if i do all those things to the extreme, it seems to work, I can see it in their eyes when they look at me. You can't fake that sh*t and that's not my "personality" making them feel that way. It's like a puppy dog / anime eyes look. I know within the first few minutes they want to f***.

The problem is like you said it's IMPOSSIBLE to keep up if you have a job, a life , etc. Imagine going out with friends and not eating and enjoying time with them because the food is too "salty" or going to bed on perfect timing , instead of watching a movie because you need to look good, the list goes on. Doing all those things isn't worth it because of the cost of missing out on life just to try and look good. But in my experience, unfortunately, it seems time and time again the only time women have been attracted to me is when i go the extreme route. There's no winning. My default is "UGLY" and doing the things gets me to a 6/10. Where as a good looking guy e.g. 6+/10 can just live their life with minimum exercise and "looksmaxing" and have no problem

i hope you understand now

TBH it is true that if there is physical attraction you are likely to get somewhere BUT and here is the thing, it is all very highly subjective!

You can also put measures in place to ensure that you only meet women who are likely to find you physically attractive such as having current up to date profile pictures.

 

[doubleindemnity]

It doesn't matter how hard working or what interests they have. Men have become weak end deflated. And its not societies fault, not women's fault, its weak men who replaced the real world with technology - either demoralizing or placating themselves.

I still disagree about men being weak. What's not 'real' about technology and what's 'real' about the opposite? Men in the past used to have families. Nowadays, they don't because they can't. They use technology to pass the time.

TBH it is true that if there is physical attraction you are likely to get somewhere BUT and here is the thing, it is all very highly subjective!

You can also put measures in place to ensure that you only meet women who are likely to find you physically attractive such as having current up to date profile pictures.

Doesn't work for a bald guy practically. Using up to date photos that reveal the extent of my hair loss, I got 0 matches and ran out of people in my area.

What @Feelsbadman seems to be saying is this, and I experienced it too. If you have hair, you simply go for a haircut every few weeks and that's your baseline level of attractiveness. Dressing well, being in shape and other things are good but not essential and it's fine to just be average in these areas and instead enjoy life, like @Oknow does. When you are bald, you have to do everything there is to overcompensate. It's a manual buzz cut every few days with grooming. If your beard or eyebrows get out of control, you look bad so that needs to be maintained. Same thing for your skin. You have to always be in good shape because if that goes you again look not average but terrible as a bald guy. So you have to stick to a rigorous diet and exercise plan. Remember that eating also takes longer for you because high protein or high fibre (vegetables) foods take longer to chew, and you can't miss a meal. In addition, there are the standard things that you might do to be an interesting person, and doing things that you enjoy. So, doing this, you will soon feel overwhelmed or almost overwhelmed with all of the stuff that you have to do just to maintain yourself. I know that many times I said no to hanging out with friends because I had to do my fitness training and eat my dietetic meal. At the same time, guys with hair who do not have such demands can put that extra time into stuff like their career or social things or books. Baldness is a tax on life. The worst thing is that all these efforts are futile. A bald guy can never compensate for being bald.

 

[Oknow]

I still disagree about men being weak. What's not 'real' about technology and what's 'real' about the opposite? Men in the past used to have families. Nowadays, they don't because they can't. They use technology to pass the time.


Doesn't work for a bald guy practically. Using up to date photos that reveal the extent of my hair loss, I got 0 matches and ran out of people in my area.

What @Feelsbadman seems to be saying is this, and I experienced it too. If you have hair, you simply go for a haircut every few weeks and that's your baseline level of attractiveness. Dressing well, being in shape and other things are good but not essential and it's fine to just be average in these areas and instead enjoy life, like @Oknow does. When you are bald, you have to do everything there is to overcompensate. It's a manual buzz cut every few days with grooming. If your beard or eyebrows get out of control, you look bad so that needs to be maintained. Same thing for your skin. You have to always be in good shape because if that goes you again look not average but terrible as a bald guy. So you have to stick to a rigorous diet and exercise plan. Remember that eating also takes longer for you because high protein or high fibre (vegetables) foods take longer to chew, and you can't miss a meal. In addition, there are the standard things that you might do to be an interesting person, and doing things that you enjoy. So, doing this, you will soon feel overwhelmed or almost overwhelmed with all of the stuff that you have to do just to maintain yourself. I know that many times I said no to hanging out with friends because I had to do my fitness training and eat my dietetic meal. At the same time, guys with hair who do not have such demands can put that extra time into stuff like their career or social things or books. Baldness is a tax on life. The worst thing is that all these efforts are futile. A bald guy can never compensate for being bald.

Get a system

 

[Oknow]

I still disagree about men being weak. What's not 'real' about technology and what's 'real' about the opposite? Men in the past used to have families. Nowadays, they don't because they can't. They use technology to pass the time.


Doesn't work for a bald guy practically. Using up to date photos that reveal the extent of my hair loss, I got 0 matches and ran out of people in my area.

What @Feelsbadman seems to be saying is this, and I experienced it too. If you have hair, you simply go for a haircut every few weeks and that's your baseline level of attractiveness. Dressing well, being in shape and other things are good but not essential and it's fine to just be average in these areas and instead enjoy life, like @Oknow does. When you are bald, you have to do everything there is to overcompensate. It's a manual buzz cut every few days with grooming. If your beard or eyebrows get out of control, you look bad so that needs to be maintained. Same thing for your skin. You have to always be in good shape because if that goes you again look not average but terrible as a bald guy. So you have to stick to a rigorous diet and exercise plan. Remember that eating also takes longer for you because high protein or high fibre (vegetables) foods take longer to chew, and you can't miss a meal. In addition, there are the standard things that you might do to be an interesting person, and doing things that you enjoy. So, doing this, you will soon feel overwhelmed or almost overwhelmed with all of the stuff that you have to do just to maintain yourself. I know that many times I said no to hanging out with friends because I had to do my fitness training and eat my dietetic meal. At the same time, guys with hair who do not have such demands can put that extra time into stuff like their career or social things or books. Baldness is a tax on life. The worst thing is that all these efforts are futile. A bald guy can never compensate for being bald.

If you and @Feelsbadman do not want to get a system, you both need to learn to screen women better and accept that you will have less opportunities.

Having up to date / current photos that are reflective of what you actually look like is a good starting point. That way, women know exactly what to expect when meeting you.