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[stax]

Felk said:


I still havent seen anyone give a satisfactory answer to how the HM surgeons are going to get around the shock loss problem. Original density is impossible with a hair transplant, as you cant put the implanted hairs that close together, due to other hairs falling out through shock loss.




Nervx, can you answer this question?

 

[Apoc]

Who said that there is shockloss when using HM? I can understand that shockloss occurs when there are wounds made into scalp using puncture tools for placing grafts but you don't get shockloss when someone is sticking needles in you scalp do you? Unless shockloss can be triggered by new follicles forming in your skin. Anyway even if the old hair falls out it's still not DHT resistant so I'd gladly sacrifice my old hair for newones.

 

[Aplunk1]

Shockloss?

Who the hell cares about shockloss if you're undergoing a procedure that WILL regrow a THICK, FULL head of hair within a year?

 

[nervx]

I still havent seen anyone give a satisfactory answer to how the HM surgeons are going to get around the shock loss problem. Original density is impossible with a hair transplant, as you cant put the implanted hairs that close together, due to other hairs falling out through shock loss.

HM is far less invasive so it shouldn't be a problem. Im sure there will still be the odd case of shockloss for those with extremely sensative scalps but it should be very rare.

Here's a little blurb from an old
http://www.webmd.com/content/Article/96 ... genumber=2

Moreover, researchers have discovered that some follicle cells do more than regenerate. They give off chemical signals. Nearby follicle cells -- which have shrunk during the agingaging process -- respond to these signals by regenerating and once again making healthy hair. It works in lab mice. And, Washenik says, it works in human skin cultures, too.

kind of the opposite of shock loss.

 

[stax]

nervx, well thats great man! Lets just hope this HM is a reality by 2010. I already seen this thing on the news about stem cells to make sure your child stays in perfect health for good, or something like that. I never actually seen it, but i saw the news preview. So hopefully HM will really be a reality. I wish it were out in 2 years. I cant wait untill the day when no drugs will have to be taken, and no topicals have to be applied. LETS GO HM!!!!!!!!!

 

[Felk]

That sounds great.

i was under the impression HM was just a hair transplant with an unlimited supply of donor hair (no?) and therefore you would have the same problems with shock loss, as you can't put donor hair that close together (original density is impossible)

Anyway if it's not the case... cool

 

[nervx]

Here's some bullet points from the European Hair Research Society conference. Only the HM related stuff.

-The induced hairs were aesthetically indistinguishable from those of the epidermal donor in length, thickness, and pigmentation, and they were also histologically normal.
-The hair grows and cycles like normal hair.
-Intercytex says that they are able to do 7 passages but will only need 3 to do a full head of hair. 3 passages = multiplication factor of 4000
-A japanese company called Shiseido Co. says they found a way to do more than 30 passages. (so if you want big foot thick body hair your dreams aren't far away)
-Korean study shows that finasteride doesn't effect dht or t on occipital follicles(donor hair area) That means we wouldn't have to stop our drug habbits before getting HM.


Start saving those penny's!


The whole transcript can be found in the pdf below for those of you that are bored and like to do lots of reading.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/pr ... =92842.pdf

 

[DaSand]

If I ever meet you nervx, I'm going to buy you a beer! The way you bring news makes me realize I'm going to beat baldness!

Better stay in shape when I get this!

 

[btp11]

Here's some bullet points from the European Hair Research Society conference. Only the HM related stuff.

-The induced hairs were aesthetically indistinguishable from those of the epidermal donor in length, thickness, and pigmentation, and they were also histologically normal.
-The hair grows and cycles like normal hair.
-Intercytex says that they are able to do 7 passages but will only need 3 to do a full head of hair. 3 passages = multiplication factor of 4000
-A japanese company called Shiseido Co. says they found a way to do more than 30 passages. (so if you want big foot thick body hair your dreams aren't far away)
-Korean study shows that finasteride doesn't effect dht or t on occipital follicles(donor hair area) That means we wouldn't have to stop our drug habbits before getting HM.


Start saving those penny's!


The whole transcript can be found in the pdf below for those of you that are bored and like to do lots of reading.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/pr ... =92842.pdf

im imitating your avatar!

 

[Felk]

Here's some bullet points from the European Hair Research Society conference. Only the HM related stuff.

-The induced hairs were aesthetically indistinguishable from those of the epidermal donor in length, thickness, and pigmentation, and they were also histologically normal.
-The hair grows and cycles like normal hair.
-Intercytex says that they are able to do 7 passages but will only need 3 to do a full head of hair. 3 passages = multiplication factor of 4000
-A japanese company called Shiseido Co. says they found a way to do more than 30 passages. (so if you want big foot thick body hair your dreams aren't far away)
-Korean study shows that finasteride doesn't effect dht or t on occipital follicles(donor hair area) That means we wouldn't have to stop our drug habbits before getting HM.


Start saving those penny's!


The whole transcript can be found in the pdf below for those of you that are bored and like to do lots of reading.

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/pr ... =92842.pdf

Hmmm that sounds awesome! However there's nothing there about achieving original density, the "will only need 3 passages to do a full head of hair" is vague, as one person's definition of a "full head of hair" might encompass an hair transplant, and they certainly don't achieve original density.

Anyway, the rest of it... oh yeah! :hairy:

 

[News2]

-The induced hairs were aesthetically indistinguishable from those of the epidermal donor in length, thickness, and pigmentation, and they were also histologically normal.

What about direction?

-The hair grows and cycles like normal hair.

I didn't read the entire thing, but I think you're referring to the passage which said that follicles were able to grow and cycle for at least 1 year. Nobody knows what happens after that first year.

- What's all that fuss about passages? I mean: If you can't cover the entire head with the first 7 passages, then you can always take another sample from the traditional donor area. (It's annoying, I know, because you'll need further surgery, but that's a small price to pay for a full head of hair.)

-Korean study shows that finasteride doesn't effect dht or t on occipital follicles(donor hair area) That means we wouldn't have to stop our drug habbits before getting HM.

Frankly: Who cares about having to stop using topicals, pills etc. in advance? I mean: A few weeks after an HM procedure you'll grow hair that is resistant to DHT (and you're not gonna lose all yor old hair in just a few weeks, just because you stop using your drugs).

No mention of a release date then?

 

[nervx]

What about direction?

Not a problem

I didn't read the entire thing, but I think you're referring to the passage which said that follicles were able to grow and cycle for at least 1 year. Nobody knows what happens after that first year.

Well find out as testing continues but they should keep growing like normal. There's no reason why the new hairs would just die off.

- What's all that fuss about passages? I mean: If you can't cover the entire head with the first 7 passages, then you can always take another sample from the traditional donor area. (It's annoying, I know, because you'll need further surgery, but that's a small price to pay for a full head of hair.)

There's a patent that explains the passage thing more. Intercytex says 3 passages are enough to supply the cells needed for HM. Basically after the container growing the cells is filled a passage is done to a new container so they can continue to multiply. They can do up to 7 passages before the cell quality starts to drop. That means you can get your head of hair and if you ever need to come back you wont need to get another donor sample removed.

Also the more passages possibly before the cell quality drops off the smaller the donor area needs to be. Intercytex uses a 1cm squared area for the biopsy. If that japanese company can do 30 then you could take a sample smaller than an eraser tip.

Frankly: Who cares about having to stop using topicals, pills etc. in advance? I mean: A few weeks after an HM procedure you'll grow hair that is resistant to DHT (and you're not gonna lose all yor old hair in just a few weeks, just because you stop using your drugs).

Some people have asked the question before which is why i mentioned it and some drugs like dutasteride also take a long time to get out of your body. It would suck having to wait 6-12 months safe time before you could get HM because of the medication you were using.

No mention of a release date then?

Nothing solid. Dates still range from 2008-2010.

 

[markelbentley]

should i stop taking dutasteride in 2009?

 

[Wezz]

should i stop taking dutasteride in 2009?

no, stop when HM comes out maybe 2008

 

[markelbentley]

haha alright 2008 then.

 

[EasyEd]

nervx, was anything mentioned on cost?

 

[ang_99]

I think I read 1.5-2 million. :lol:

 

[Fallout Boy]

I read something months ago that said it should be around the same price as a hair transplant or even cheaper..but that was a while ago. Another article i read mentioned 10,000$ but im pretty sure it's all speculation.

 

[nervx]

nervx, was anything mentioned on cost?

Bosely says around 8-10k but final costs haven't been figured out yet.


I'll copy the basic points of michael barrys thread into here for reference as well.

Intercytex Investor Presentation
http://www.intercytex.com/icx/investors ... -06-29.pdf

-launch in the UK in 2008
-phase III isn't needed in the UK, but will likely still happen for FDA approval.
-minimal tissue removal (approx. 120 follicles)
-minimal scarring, pain, bleeding, and swelling
-repeat procedures possible from a single biopsy

 

[News2]

Bosely says around 8-10k but final costs haven't been figured out yet.

Is that $ (Dollars) or £ (Pounds)?