Copper Peptides

[TAINTED-MEAT]

I have the old American Crew spray and serum (the stuff like Tricomin) and I was wondering how often I should apply this. I put the serum on my hairline and the spray all over the top of my head. I have been doing it every night for about 10 months but it doesn't seem to be helping. I have read that it can be counterproductive to use it everyday. Should I switch to three days a week?

 

[beaner]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

 

[Cassin]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

beaner is correct

perfect summary

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Damn, so copper peptides don't help regrow hair?

 

[Pondle]

Damn, so copper peptides don't help regrow hair?

CCS says that Tricomin outperformed Minoxidil 2% in a trial... but Minoxidil 2% hardly gave great results, did it?

 

[beaner]

Damn, so copper peptides don't help regrow hair?

CCS says that Tricomin outperformed Minoxidil 2% in a trial... but Minoxidil 2% hardly gave great results, did it?

Tricomin supposedly outperformed 2% minoxidil but no one knows for sure the concentration that is in the commercially available product. It's said that the concentration used was higher in the trials than in the actual product that was released. Also, I'm doubting that AC has even the same concentration as Tricomin (probably lower) I believe that CP's can be beneficial in hair growth, but there's probably not enough in either product to make much of a difference, unless your soaking your head in it.

 

[Balding_1]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

Well, according to Dr. Pickhart who invented the original SRCP's (skin remodelling copper peptides) they help prevent the formation of DHT and can thicken existing hair follicles. Cp's may not regrow new hair but they can help keep the ones you have thicker and healthier. This is all according to Dr. Pickhart who seems to be a respectable guy.

If what Dr. Pickhart says is true (I believe it is) then Cp's are hardly a waste of time.

 

[beaner]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

Well, according to Dr. Pickhart who invented the original SRCP's (skin remodelling copper peptides) they help prevent the formation of DHT and can thicken existing hair follicles. Cp's may not regrow new hair but they can help keep the ones you have thicker and healthier. This is all according to Dr. Pickhart who seems to be a respectable guy.

If what Dr. Pickhart says is true (I believe it is) then Cp's are hardly a waste of time.

If you read my post above, I stated that I believe CP's are good for hair growth, but probably not in the concentrations found in either AC or Tricomin unless you're using alot, and with the price of Tricomin it certainly isn't worth it.

 

[Balding_1]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

Well, according to Dr. Pickhart who invented the original SRCP's (skin remodelling copper peptides) they help prevent the formation of DHT and can thicken existing hair follicles. Cp's may not regrow new hair but they can help keep the ones you have thicker and healthier. This is all according to Dr. Pickhart who seems to be a respectable guy.

If what Dr. Pickhart says is true (I believe it is) then Cp's are hardly a waste of time.

If you read my post above, I stated that I believe CP's are good for hair growth, but probably not in the concentrations found in either AC or Tricomin unless you're using alot, and with the price of Tricomin it certainly isn't worth it.

I agree price wise Tricomin is a huge rip off. Folligen is cheaper and lasts a long time so its not bad. Folligen also supposedly contains much higher concentrations of Cp's. Something like 5x as much?

There is a debate as to weather Folligen's Cp's are as effective as the GHK Cp's in Tricomin. I am going on faith that Dr. Pickart is not lying to us when he says that his "2nd generation" Cp's are better in almost every way than his original Cp's.

 

[beaner]

[quote="Balding_1":77dbb]

What are you expecting it to do? If you're expecting it to grow hair, you may as well drop it entirely. If you're looking for scalp health and a bit of hair conditioning, then every day is fine.

Well, according to Dr. Pickhart who invented the original SRCP's (skin remodelling copper peptides) they help prevent the formation of DHT and can thicken existing hair follicles. Cp's may not regrow new hair but they can help keep the ones you have thicker and healthier. This is all according to Dr. Pickhart who seems to be a respectable guy.

If what Dr. Pickhart says is true (I believe it is) then Cp's are hardly a waste of time.

If you read my post above, I stated that I believe CP's are good for hair growth, but probably not in the concentrations found in either AC or Tricomin unless you're using alot, and with the price of Tricomin it certainly isn't worth it.

I agree price wise Tricomin is a huge rip off. Folligen is cheaper and lasts a long time so its not bad. Folligen also supposedly contains much higher concentrations of Cp's. Something like 5x as much?

There is a debate as to weather Folligen's Cp's are as effective as the GHK Cp's in Tricomin. I am going on faith that Dr. Pickart is not lying to us when he says that his "2nd generation" Cp's are better in almost every way than his original Cp's.[/quote:77dbb]

I went through a bottle of folligen last year. Good stuff IMO. I'm not sure if it did anything for me as far as hair, but it really conditioned my scalp well. I use his CP serum on my face too, and it really did a nice job of smoothing out fine lines and firming/toning the skin as well as permanently removing the bags I've had under my eyes for years. I love that sh*t.

 

[jakeb]

The only thing that gives me pause is that there Dr. Pickart has been very unscientific about his "2nd Generation" peptides. He says that according to everything he knows, they *should* be better than the originals. But he has done no studies to prove that that they are in reality. That's not what scientists do... you come up with a hypothesis and then you test it.

And as we know... a lot of things that should work, or do work in the lab, don't turn out so great on your head.

 

[Cassin]

CP's create a healthy scalp environment to give your treatments a better chance at working.

A regimen is seriously lacking if it does not have cp's imo.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

So would you recommend using them 3X a week or every day?

 

[RagingBaldy]

Isn't Prox-N suppose to contain copper peptides in it along with other stuff?

Seems like a better deal if it has the same copper peptides as Tricomin along with an added kick from other ingredients.

 

[Balding_1]

Isn't Prox-N suppose to contain copper peptides in it along with other stuff?

Seems like a better deal if it has the same copper peptides as Tricomin along with an added kick from other ingredients.

Dr. Proctor uses copper peptides in his stuff but they are not the same as in Tricomin. This does not mean that they are not just as good. I would say that you probably do get more for your money with Dr. Proctors stuff but they are also damn expensive. I am pretty sure Dr. Proctor has his own patents on the copper peptides he uses.

 

[Balding_1]

The only thing that gives me pause is that there Dr. Pickart has been very unscientific about his "2nd Generation" peptides. He says that according to everything he knows, they *should* be better than the originals. But he has done no studies to prove that that they are in reality. That's not what scientists do... you come up with a hypothesis and then you test it.

And as we know... a lot of things that should work, or do work in the lab, don't turn out so great on your head.

I am pretty sure that he has used his "2nd gen" peptides on mice experiments with success. If you search through his cluttered website you can find it. You also have to consider the fact that there are a lot of people who swear by his other skin care products that use his "2nd gen" peptides.

At the very least his website has a ton of useful information that is all cited with scientific sources. Because of this I respect his work and believe in his products.

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Do you guys think that using cp's 3X a week is as effective as using them every day?

 

[H2O]

Do you guys think that using cp's 3X a week is as effective as using them every day?

Hard to say. CP's are for "skin remodeling" and "cell regeneration" among other things. I have seen him suggest that CP's in conjunction with skin "cleaners" (salicylic acid, Retin-a, etc) gives best results. Might be good to revolve one of your off days with one of these products. Do some research at his site and here on gourmetstylewellness.com.

As far as GHK (his 1st generation copper peptides)...that patent has expired and is free game for all to use without having to pay royalities. Dr. Pickart is already using GHK in a "Super GHK Serum" and a "Super GHK Cream"...both great products albeit a little pricey....but supposedly 50x the GHK present in most "cosmetics" and at least 5x more GHK than in the strongest formulation on the market.

He is also in final testing for a new Folligen he has formulated using GHK. He has stated it will be out some time in the fall of '07 if all goes well with the testing. I think Pickart knows the advantages of GHK both clinically and cosmetically and was eager to get back to it when the opportunity arose post-patent.

Truth is...I'm very glad. I love the way he believes in packing in that stuff in mega quantities (unlike Procyte's Tricomin...good product...I use it...but a weak formulation for the $ they charge). Honestly I couldn't get past the Folligen rotten-soy stink and green stained scalp :x . It was a cosmetic impossibility for me. I've been using tricomin and have been pleased except for the $. Here's hoping Pickart does them one better but keeps the price within reason. I'll jump ship in an instant...

 

[TAINTED-MEAT]

Thanks for the informative post H20. I see that you use Tricomin 2x Daily, so I'll probably stick to once a day instead of going to 3x a week. You have me excited about possibility of a better peptide. I've been using the old American Crew and from what I've heard it's about the same as Tricomin as far as effectiveness.

 

[mulder]

He is also in final testing for a new Folligen he has formulated using GHK. He has stated it will be out some time in the fall of '07 if all goes well with the testing. I think Pickart knows the advantages of GHK both clinically and cosmetically and was eager to get back to it when the opportunity arose post-patent.

How are GHKs different than the copper peptides he has in folligen?