Copper Peptides

[H2O]

How are GHKs different than the copper peptides he has in folligen?

It has to do with 1) the method of synthesis and 2) the specificity of the copper formulation. GHK was the copper formulation that underwent partial FDA trials and showed results equal to minoxidil 2% I believe.

Pickart left the company that owned the patents (even though he was the scientist who "discovered" GHK and the benefits to the skin and hair, etc.) to go into business for himself. So he couldn't use GHK in his new company without paying royalties to the old company. So he decided to make his own new formulation. The method he uses produces "random", non-specific copper peptides.... He has claimed effectiveness with this new formulation but no one, to my knowledge, has seen any research abstracts backing up his claims.

Basically GHK has documented effectiveness in the form of controlled FDA trials and, to date, I am not aware of any documented support of effectiveness for Pickart's new formulation.

Now that the patents have just recently expired on GHK, Pickart is free to again market products with his original GHK formulation. He has already started with skin creams and serums. A new Folligen is soon to follow as I understand.

More information can be had by doing a search on this site. Bryan and others are much more knowledgeable as far as the exact methods of formulation and details regarding the differences. They might chime in if asked to on this. A good search of the forms here should answer all of your questions.

 

[mulder]

Thanks for the info H20. I just got an order of Folligen therapy spray today, I'm assuming it doesn't have these patented GHK's you're talking about. I see what you're saying about there not being any published research showing the effectiveness of the Folligen formulation, personally how do you think it might compare in effectiveness to Tricomin?

I see why some people avoid this stuff...it looks and smells like something you'd find at the bottom of a fish tank in a Chinese restaurant... :lol:

 

[H2O]

I'm assuming it doesn't have these patented GHK's you're talking about.

Correct...the new formulation with GHK isn't out yet...

personally how do you think it might compare in effectiveness to Tricomin?

I wouldn't venture to say either way because I don't have any evidence either way. Pickart has said it is just as effective if not more. I have my doubts as no evidence has been presented publicly by him to back this up. Further...his push to incorporate GHK in new formulations might be telling in this regard...in the end there just is not enough evidence either way...unlike with GHK.

I see why some people avoid this stuff...it looks and smells like something you'd find at the bottom of a fish tank in a Chinese restaurant... :lol:

Yeah...I bought a bottle and threw it out. Tried it once and couldn't take the rotting putrid smell or the dayglo green stained scalp....especially with no evidence to back it up. I've bought Pickart's Super GHK serum and have to say GHK...even in extremely high concentrations like in the Super GHK serum still smells great and, if you rub it in doesn't leave your head stained. GHK is actually a deep blue color...unlike the "vomit green" of Pickart's 2nd gen copper peptides.

 

[mulder]

Folligen smells like *** but I actually don't mind putting it on every other night. Has anyone here seen dramatic results from using it?

 

[hairsucks]

Folligen smells like *** but I actually don't mind putting it on every other night. Has anyone here seen dramatic results from using it?

I like ***! nobody will ever see dramatic results from *** or copper peptides tho. Well that's what I rekon anyway.

 

[JWM]

I actually like the Folligen Cream over the spray. I have a feeling it is a little more stable in the cream vehicle.