michael barry
Senior Member
- Reaction score
- 14
We have all seen one. A old homeless drunk who looks filthy that mysteriously has good hair. Ive seen a few in my time. Some sites present this as evidence that shampoo causes baldness or some other ridiculous tripe........
A nice guy who posts under the name Wookie found this:
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstrac ... 3?prt=true
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote:
Separation and identification of phytoestrogenic compounds isolated from bourbon.
Alcohol Alcohol Suppl. 1987; 1:551-5 (ISSN: 1358-6173)Rosenblum ER ; Van Thiel DH ; Campbell IM ; Eagon PK ; Gavaler JS
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, PA.
There is considerable evidence that several plant metabolites have estrogenic properties. Given that many alcoholic beverages are made from plants which have been shown to possess estrogenic activity, we considered the possibility that alcoholic beverages may contain estrogenically active substances. To evaluate this hypothesis we first extracted and then used gas chromatography/mass spectrometry to identify two phytoestrogens, biochanin A and beta-sitosterol in the bourbon extracts. Based on these findings we suggest that the feminization observed in chronic male alcoholics with liver disease may reflect, at least in part, the presence of biologically active phytoestrogens in the alcoholic beverages they consume.
PreMedline Identifier: 3426733
Another very nice gentleman, Tom Hagerty posted this on the same thread:
This 56-year-old Jack Daniels man probably had a good head of hair - but he had a few problems too.
A 56-year-old white male came to the emergency room because of weakness, lack of appetite, shortness of breath, abdominal distention, and an altered mental status. He was a known alcoholic who drank approximately one pint of whiskey per day.
Physical examination revealed a wasted appearance, icterus [jaundice], a protuberant abdomen, gynecomastia, sparse axillary hair, and spider angiomata on his chest. Liver and spleen were not palpable, the testes were atrophic, and the legs showed petechial hemorrhages and 3+ edema.
I think I'd rather be bald than to be in that man's condition. Jack Daniels is smooth though.
ME AGAIN GUYS..................If you look at those side effects, you will see that many of them are the same as taking flutamide or using flutamide topically (same thing, it all gets absorbed with flutamide, please do not take that drug unless you plan on becoming a transexual.............Im not kidding). Look at the exact sides....................gyno (tits), SPARSE AUXIALLRY HAIR (probably suppressed his body hair badly), atrophied testes, edema in the legs (water retention, fluridil will give you a womans hips over a long enough period of time), weakness (muscle atrophy), abdominal distention (upset stomach and nausea).
I keep wondering if the beta sis occupies androgen receptors and mimics estrogen.............or of course it could be another phytoestrogen in the booze. A Japanese patent was taken out by one manufacturer for beta sitosterol usage topically in baldness. I always wondered about that. I researched it a bit one night a good while back now and found that one company was going to market beta sitosterol it extracts from Tall oil. Tall oil is pine cone oil more or less. It has the highest amount of beta sis in nature as no one substance has that much of this fatty sterol. Its something like 18 percent beta sis. Avocado oil is .5 % and rice bran oil is something similar. Saw Palmetto oil runs from . 1% to .4%. Peanut oil had it in a .9% if I remember correctly. Corn oil had it, but it is associated in topical tests with cancer in mice. Thats a no-go for me personally.
I want to emphasize that Im interested if anyone has tried good amounts of beta sis topically and am NOT encouraging any young man to drink a glass of bourbon every day. That would make you an alchoholic and a miserable human being. Hair is not worth that.
A nice guy who posts under the name Wookie found this:
http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstrac ... 3?prt=true
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote:
Separation and identification of phytoestrogenic compounds isolated from bourbon.
Alcohol Alcohol Suppl. 1987; 1:551-5 (ISSN: 1358-6173)Rosenblum ER ; Van Thiel DH ; Campbell IM ; Eagon PK ; Gavaler JS
University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, PA.
There is considerable evidence that several plant metabolites have estrogenic properties. Given that many alcoholic beverages are made from plants which have been shown to possess estrogenic activity, we considered the possibility that alcoholic beverages may contain estrogenically active substances. To evaluate this hypothesis we first extracted and then used gas chromatography/mass spectrometry to identify two phytoestrogens, biochanin A and beta-sitosterol in the bourbon extracts. Based on these findings we suggest that the feminization observed in chronic male alcoholics with liver disease may reflect, at least in part, the presence of biologically active phytoestrogens in the alcoholic beverages they consume.
PreMedline Identifier: 3426733
Another very nice gentleman, Tom Hagerty posted this on the same thread:
This 56-year-old Jack Daniels man probably had a good head of hair - but he had a few problems too.
A 56-year-old white male came to the emergency room because of weakness, lack of appetite, shortness of breath, abdominal distention, and an altered mental status. He was a known alcoholic who drank approximately one pint of whiskey per day.
Physical examination revealed a wasted appearance, icterus [jaundice], a protuberant abdomen, gynecomastia, sparse axillary hair, and spider angiomata on his chest. Liver and spleen were not palpable, the testes were atrophic, and the legs showed petechial hemorrhages and 3+ edema.
I think I'd rather be bald than to be in that man's condition. Jack Daniels is smooth though.
ME AGAIN GUYS..................If you look at those side effects, you will see that many of them are the same as taking flutamide or using flutamide topically (same thing, it all gets absorbed with flutamide, please do not take that drug unless you plan on becoming a transexual.............Im not kidding). Look at the exact sides....................gyno (tits), SPARSE AUXIALLRY HAIR (probably suppressed his body hair badly), atrophied testes, edema in the legs (water retention, fluridil will give you a womans hips over a long enough period of time), weakness (muscle atrophy), abdominal distention (upset stomach and nausea).
I keep wondering if the beta sis occupies androgen receptors and mimics estrogen.............or of course it could be another phytoestrogen in the booze. A Japanese patent was taken out by one manufacturer for beta sitosterol usage topically in baldness. I always wondered about that. I researched it a bit one night a good while back now and found that one company was going to market beta sitosterol it extracts from Tall oil. Tall oil is pine cone oil more or less. It has the highest amount of beta sis in nature as no one substance has that much of this fatty sterol. Its something like 18 percent beta sis. Avocado oil is .5 % and rice bran oil is something similar. Saw Palmetto oil runs from . 1% to .4%. Peanut oil had it in a .9% if I remember correctly. Corn oil had it, but it is associated in topical tests with cancer in mice. Thats a no-go for me personally.
I want to emphasize that Im interested if anyone has tried good amounts of beta sis topically and am NOT encouraging any young man to drink a glass of bourbon every day. That would make you an alchoholic and a miserable human being. Hair is not worth that.
