darn it...I got the Gyno(confirmed)!

[BadHairDecade]

Well I finally found a decent link that goes into detail about gynecomastia. It's an easy read too. I was suprised to see finasteride along with the active ingredient in Nizoral (ketoconazole) on the list of various drugs implicated in Gynecomastia.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic934.htm

BHD

 

[johnnycash]

Does the gyno typically go away when you discontinue use of finasteride?

 

[BadHairDecade]

That I don't know. I would assume so but it would probably take some time. It probably depends on how bad it is. Mine (if that's what it is) isn't even remotely detectable to the eye. So at this stage I would guess that it would go away if I discontinued the use of finasteride. Other things I've read have lead me to beleive that discontinuing the use of the drug that's causing gyno usually reverses it if it's not bad.

 

[johnnycash]

Thats good to hear, I hope things work out for you. Any thought to a new dht inhibitor?

 

[BadHairDecade]

There really isn't anything else out there yet as far as an DHT inhib (in pill form anyway). there's dutasteride but that still experimental so I'm not taking chances with that yet. I'm really curious to hear what the Doctor has to say about Nolvadex. Guys take this when their on the juice to prevent or get rid of gyno. So I don't see why I couldn't take it while I'm on finasteride unless there's some sort of problem with using the two together. I'll find out soon enough.

BHD

 

[johnnycash]

What about a topical dht inhibitor, such as sprio? Mr. gourmetstylewellness.com I belive has switched to topical inhibitors.

 

[BadHairDecade]

I've thought about it....Did you know that it's also on the list of items that can cause Gyno. However I seriously doubt that anything topical could cause gyno.

 

[hair-x]

BHD..yeap there it is..Thanks !

http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic934.htm

o Various drugs are implicated in gynecomastia. These could be classified into the following categories:

+ Drugs that inhibit T synthesis or action include ketoconazole, metronidazole, alkylating agents, cisplatin, spironolactone, cimetidine, flutamide, finasteride, and etomidate.

+ Drugs that act by unknown mechanisms include isonicotinic acid hydrazide (INH), methyldopa, busulfan, tricyclic antidepressants, diazepam, penicillamine, omeprazole, phenothiazines, calcium channel blockers, ACE-inhibitors, alcohol, marijuana, and heroin.

 

[Seattle]

You can add me to the weight gain in the chest to gut area since starting finasteride. I look back and can say it all started when I first started finasteride. I always thought it my be finasteride, but never heard anybody talk about it until now.

Hey X, you stopped finasteride how long ago? How long were you on it? Did your hair just start falling out when you quit.

Maybe I should be on 1.25 every other day.....

 

[hair-x]

seattle, see page 2

 

[BadHairDecade]

Here's my follow up.

I wen to the Dr. today and he said (to make a long story short) it's gyno and it's most definitly from finasteride. Of course his first suggestion was to quit taking finasteride and it should go away. I told him, politely, that wasn't an option and told him about my depression before hand and how I'm seeing good results now. He was actually really responsive after I said that. I told him about Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) and gave him the print out I got from emedicine.com. He brought me into his office and looked up the maker of the drug and he's going to contact them just to be on the safe side before prescribing it to me. He also said he's going to make a call to a friend of his who is an endocrinologist to get more info. For now he said to cut my propecia dose in half and see how that goes for the next week or two. So this is where it stands now. I'll let you know how things turn out.

 

[Cassin]

Sounds like a good Doctor. Your lucky.

I used to have a go the extra mile Doctor that cared but I had to drop him because my insurance comp changed.....bastards

 

[The Gardener]

BHD... good luck with that. Hopefully the Tamoxifen will do the trick. Keep us posted.

 

[BadHairDecade]

This was my first visit to this doctor. I rarely go to the dr and really never had a GP, so maybe I'll keep this guy around. Of course if he doesn't give me the Tamoxifen I might get a little upset

My condition has gotten a little worse. The left side is starting to really get sensitive. My whole left pec has an annoying burning sensation and looks swolen. Still no pain on the lump on my right side. just a little sensitivity on the nip area. So we'll see what happens in the next week or so.

 

[Redbone]

OXO by Ergopharm is said to act as an antagonist against Estrogen, in fact they claim that it is as effective as illegal steroids (nolvadex) in stopping DHT aromitization and estrogen conversion. I have not tried it because I have not had a use for it but I thought with the proscar and the action of this supplement it might help guys with gyno. I knnow Ergopharm is a stand up company though. It could be worth a try to the ones that have had a favorable reaction to hair growth from proscar but side effects.

 

[BadHairDecade]

in fact they claim that it is as effective as illegal steroids (nolvadex) in stopping DHT aromitization and estrogen conversion.

First off let me just clear something up. Illegal is a pretty strong word your using or their using whatever the case may be. Steroids or Nolvadex (Nolvadex is NOT a type of Steroid) are not illegal drugs. They are available by prescription and are used to treat certain illnesses. Using steroids strictly for the the purpose of bodybuilding may be illegal use of a drug but does not make the drug itself illegal.
Nolvadex doesn't stop DHT aromatization or stop estrogen conversion. It doesen't even reduce levels of estrogen: rather, it blocks estrogen from estrogen receptors and, in those tissues where it is an antagonist, causes the receptor to do nothing.

Now on to 6-OXO. I was thinking about this stuff but it's also supposed to make your test levels go through the roof. Not to mention their "study" if you want to call it that only included two test subjects. Looks a little scary and sounds potentially dangerous. I don't beleive there's any FDA approvals either. Still I thought about it :wink:

Please don't take this post as me attacking you. I just wanted to put the correct info out there about Nolvadex.

 

[hair-x]

BHD - confirmed gyno...man, now you know. step 1

your right, I decided not to do the 6-OXO becuase of the increased testosterone, I'll workout to get balanced..also i didn't think my libido was affected but after a week off of propecia..I can tell

 

[Stokes]

Good luck man, I hope everything works out for you 8)

 

[Seattle]

Now I'm freaked.

BHD is going on half dose of finasteride and I think I'll do the same for this fatty chest problem. The thing is, it may or may not help and it will take a loooong period of time before you know.

As far as taking a "counter" drug, as in stopping the negative affects, I fold.

 

[BadHairDecade]

Seattle,

If it's only fat on your chest I would examine lifestyle first (if you didn't already) before getting too upset. I beleive you implied yourself that you should lay off the beer for a while. Prolonged use of alcohol also raises Estrogen levels too. If you're experiencing water retention from elevated Estrogen I would imagine you'd be experiencing it everywhrere like Hair-X is. I did a little more research and that is absolutely a side effect of high Estrogen.

bhd