Dermarolling Safety Thread. Maximizing Growth And Minimizing Scarring.

[ALightInTheDark]

haha yayyayayaa. i dont sell any. i assume u do for derminator?

hey thanks!

Have nothing to sell nothing to prove,just a poor french student who's balding. This is all you have to say ? Thanks you can sit down now

Again this sh*t doesn't look like a derminator,just look at how is a derminator,what is his components and look at your 22€ thing.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Exactly.

So how do u tell what 'motor' does those in the link has- when compared to Derminator?

And how do u know whether they cause 'micro-scarring'? according to whom? You? Dr AlightinTheDark?

http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/derminator-before-and-after-photos/

http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=53355
https://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/356677-derminator-or-ibeautypen-microneedling/
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/95402-which-derma-pen-to-buy-for-acne-scars/

I invite you to read this and do your own research and opinion. You will see why

And don't be condescending boy.

 

[kiwipilu]

I doubt dermaroller causes micro scarring since it helps with scars...
But obviously It's all about how you use it, how often... The only thing we need to know is that according to indian study:
"Microneedling is a safe and a promising tool in hair stimulation and also is useful to treat hair loss refractory to Minoxidil therapy." So if you follow that very study, I don't see why there should be problems.
(btw the last chinese study do not say otherwise)
So unless there is a sudy stating this is bad using a dermaroller(or how we should use it), it's all blabla I guess

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I doubt dermaroller causes micro scarring since it helps with scars...
But obviously It's all about how you use it, how often... The only thing we need to know is that according to indian study:
"Microneedling is a safe and a promising tool in hair stimulation and also is useful to treat hair loss refractory to Minoxidil therapy." So if you follow that very study, I don't see why there should be problems.
(btw the last chinese study do not say otherwise)
So unless there is a sudy stating this is bad using a dermaroller(or how we should use it), it's all blabla I guess

You said it, it's all about how you use it, so yeah, of course it can causes micro scarring.
I doubt the claim that it helps for scars, there's still no effective way to erase scars as of today, it will maybe fade a little, but it will not regenerate your skin, scarring process is irreversible for now

I claim this by my personal experience, having pretty bad scars due to a car accident.I tried pretty much everything, dermarollers, fractional lasers, dermabrasions...with no or little improvements

 

[ALightInTheDark]

scarrring process is irreversible for now

I've read a paper it isn't irreversible, about stem cell or iodine I don't remember don't quote me on this

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

I've read a paper it isn't irreversible, about stem cell or iodine I don't remember don't quote me on this

Yes, but it has to be involved during scarring process itself, Cots and the guys from PolarityTE are close to it tho.

 

[MomoGee]

Derminator has a real motor for their engine. Good luck with your 22E low budget motor and micro-scarring It's has nothing to do with derminator

Dermapens are pretty awesome. I have used a cheap af one and I have absolutely no problems with micro-scarring, in fact my acne scars have even reduced slightly. It also gave me a decent amount of new vellus hairs, it's a shame they were worthless and didn't eventually turn into terminal hairs.

I know it will vary from person to person but for me it made my micro-needling session easier, it pulls out less hair than rollers, the disposable tips are better for hygiene, and you can control the needling depth and frequency of vibration. Also it is a lot less painful.

 

[ALightInTheDark]

Dermapens are pretty awesome. I have used a cheap af one and I have absolutely no problems with micro-scarring, in fact my acne scars have even reduced slightly. It also gave me a decent amount of new vellus hairs, it's a shame they were worthless and didn't eventually turn into terminal hairs.

I know it will vary from person to person but for me it made my micro-needling session easier, it pulls out less hair than rollers, the disposable tips are better for hygiene, and you can control the needling depth and frequency of vibration. Also it is a lot less painful.

If it works for you, glad to hear it ! Dermaneedling is ncessary for hair and you're right to choose a motorised one

 

[tomJ]

Anybody do microneedling with prp injections?

 

[ALightInTheDark]

= https://www.google.com.sg/search?rl...0k1j0i22i10i30k1j0i8i13i10i30k1.0.NwepSu3Azvs

u r evading my question.

i repeat:

So how do u tell what 'motor' does those in the link has- when compared to Derminator?

And how do u know whether they cause 'micro-scarring'? according to whom? have u used them your self to have the authority to make this claim(that they cause 'micro-scarring', and what's 'micro'-scarring anyway)? So i guess this electric derma pens were produced with the intention to cause 'micro-scarring' to users?

you are now making an incredulous claim(that they cause 'micro'scarring)- and incredulous claims requires incredulous proof. Hence the burden of proof is on you to proof that they cause 'micro'scarring and have incomparable quality (this is the only point that i can make out of your statement when u said the Derminator has motors- insinuating that those in the links do not possess such machinery).

Or is it just because they are cheap? <==lol

if u cant answer me on all these, i take it you're just spewing cow kud.

Haha thanks.

Here : 6 more fuckng links to you
http://derminator.com/ (spec of derminator are there)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4976400/
http://forums.owndoc.com/dermarolli...e-number-of-cycles-of-rejunevation-unlimited/
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermapen-causes-skin-micro-tearing/
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/derma-pen-review/
http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermapen-and-dermarollers-are-not-fda-approved/

Now you have 11 links that answers to all of your questions.

You've been patronizinng me the whole time by saing "Dr ADArkInTheLight" and sh*t,and yet,instead of doing your own research and read what I've posted,you're waiting from me a response like..I was your doctor or teacher. Ironic isn't it ?

Now tell me if your chinese thing does the same thing than this. And I highly fuckin doubt it does.
Now you should learn to read more and also to shut the f*ck up a lil more buddy

 

[kiwipilu]

You said it, it's all about how you use it, so yeah, of course it can causes micro scarring.

Ok can you share a link/study, which highlight this?
btw you are not supposed to use it every day(1,5) or to enhance minoxidil absorption for example because it is not the goal you target when you use a dermaroller or you are not supposed to have a full blooded scalp. etc etc. If people fu** up their skin(not necessarily scarring unless proven otherwise like I said) that's because they did not use it the proper way.
You talk about dermabrasion , that makes me think about another example: some people do tca peeling at home but do not use the proper concentration(or too high concentration) on some part of the body, they end up with marks, hyperpigmentation, allergic reaction... surprise...
if people do things their own way, they can't complain.

 

[BaldyBalderBald]

Ok can you share a link/study, which highlight this?
btw you are not supposed to use it every day(1,5) or to enhance minoxidil absorption for example because it is not the goal you target when you use a dermaroller or you are not supposed to have a full blooded scalp. etc etc. If people fu** up their skin(not necessarily scarring unless proven otherwise like I said) that's because they did not use it the proper way.
You talk about dermabrasion , that makes me think about another example: some people do tca peeling at home but do not use the proper concentration(or too high concentration) on some part of the body, they end up with marks, hyperpigmentation, allergic reaction... surprise...
if people do things their own way, they can't complain.

Homemade dermabrasion is f*****g nut, always go through an experienced derm or plastic surgeon for this kind of intervention.And even with a good practionner, lasers and dermabrasion can end up with marks and hyperpigmentation, that's a notorious side effect.

I'll find again the source

 

[ALightInTheDark]

u have yet to present evidence of those bullshit(that they cause 'micro-scarring' and do not have so-called 'motor's found in the derminator)

1) http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermapen-causes-skin-micro-tearing/
http://derminator.com/ (spec of derminator are there)

For Pete's sake,just learn how to READ If you don't I can't do anything for you,I'm not Jesus.
If you don't know how to c/c a link in a new tab or anything else, I can't do it for you it's called bad faith/dishonest.
There is 9 other links that are waiting you to learn what's the real deal behind dermarolling

Here :

vs

And do me a favor, if you have your brain with you,use it

not to mention only 1 out of 6 of ur last few links are working lol. haha. Get busted

All of them are working just tested this morning.

 

[barfacan]

Way to f*** up a potentially good thread

 

[ALightInTheDark]

= https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=...7j69i60j0l2.3104j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nope, i still cant find anything relevant that states the Chinese electric dermapens do or do not have this particular motor u were referring to in the pictures that u've linked and even so; how the specs of those pens are deemed to be 'inferior' to those found in the Derminator.

Morever and other than self-anecdotes + colourful self-description of the Derminator as can be seen in:





That's not the way a reputable manufacturer advertise their own products.

You don't mudsling your compeititors in such a unprofessional manner.

Furthermore, you still have not posted any see any studies indicating that they(Chinese electric dermapens) cause 'micro-scarring' as being advocated by you, despite being requested for the 3rd time in order to support your incredulous claims.




You are now being reduced to targeting me on a personal level, despite the discussion being on electric dermapens and your insinuation that those in the Chinese link are inferior to the Derminator- just because the former is cheap.

This reveals your apparent desperation to convince the the audience to your ludicrous claims.

Haha.



Nope, do yourself a favor n click on those links u have just posted.

I repeat: Get busted.

Thanks.

If you're too lazy to read f****r, I can't do anything for you, I already told you.

"i still cant find anything relevant that states the Chinese electric dermapens and how the specs of those pens are deemed to be 'inferior' to those found in the Derminator." : Look at the pics,read and compare,there is one above all the others.

"You are now being reduced to targeting me on a personal level, despite the discussion being on electric dermapens and your insinuation that those in the Chinese link are inferior to the Derminator- just because the former is cheap.

This reveals your apparent desperation to convince the the audience to your ludicrous claims."

Just reveal my lack of patience toward your bad faith and your annoying attitude sonny.

Furthermore, you still have not posted any see any studies indicating that they(Chinese electric dermapens) cause 'micro-scarring' as being advocated by you

-> http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/dermapen-causes-skin-micro-tearing/

You don't mudsling your compeititors in such a unprofessional manner.

If you're the best and have proof o back it, there is no problem to claim it.


Bye

 

[ALightInTheDark]

= https://www.google.com.sg/search?q=.....69i57j0l5.1895j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

what's there to compare? how do u come to the conclussion that those Chinese pens are inferior to the Derminator?

Ya im annoying because i busted your ***. Thanks.

Nope, im not interested in Derminator's self-anecdotes that Chinese electric dermapens causes 'micro-scarring'. Im talking about formal studies that backsup such ludicrous claims


Good riddance.

http://owndoc.com/dermarolling/derma-pen-review/

Byeee and get lost

 

[ALightInTheDark]

= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_by_assertion

nope, u're simply still intentionally evading all the context here and playing the broken record card by repeatedly linking Derminator's self-advertising material.


Haha ya your rage only serves to prove that u were just bullshitting all the while.

Evading ? HAHAHAHA I just aswered you,you just have to read or listen, but since you're of bad faith you don't want to. I can't do sh*t for this.

I proved you it was better. You? Nothing. You just ask for proof and you got them. Just had to read,there is people all around internet who are not working for derminator and are making good reviews of it and claims it's more efficient than Dermapen or Dermaroller. But you don't want to. It's called bad faith f****r. You're not debating of what I have to day,but on how I say or present it. It's called an ad hominem argumentum.
"Proof by assertion, sometimes informally referred to as proof by repeated assertion, is an informal fallacy in which a proposition is repeatedly restated regardless of contradiction"

0 contradiction in everything I said. Prove me wrong baby

You have got nothing to prove yours are better or equal. And yet you have the balls to claim that you're right. Right on what ? That I prove to you and you can't prove anything since you asking to me like a cry baby and I give you what you asked for ?
Like King Hassan II said "Do not waste your time making good faith arguments to people of bad faith."

And I won't make the same mistake since you can't be taken seriously with your "Why do you want to take RU it will destroying your hair" which tell long about how you don't know sh*t (I can do the same ad hominem sh*t boy)

I'll stop debating on it since it ruins Weston thread,people can do whatever they want, it's your skin not mine, everyone is responsible of his own skin. If you believe in your sh*t,go and take it, m not your dad.

 

[Necr0sis]

How often should we change our 1.5mm derma rollers?

 

[kiwipilu]

How often should we change our 1.5mm derma rollers?

I change every 6months just to be sure.

 

[inmyhead]

So i've got my derminator and was about to wound, but started thinking about scars and stopped. Is there any studies about scaring? I wonder when do scars form and why there shouldn't be any scars from derminator?

Btw, i've a lot of pimples during m teens and popped them, no scaring on my face. So i wonder if my scalp will be scarfree too