DHT levels

[majorsixth]

Originally posted by Kehcorpz
If you get to a point where you are avoiding masturbating or having sexual encounters then what's the point of having hair in the first place?

You appear to believe that life is all about sexual procreation, but life goes much deeper.

Visual stimuli created on a daily basis from seeing the progression of hair loss in the mirror destroys the afflicted persons confidence and creates an alternative perception of what is, after all, if a man struggles to accept is own image how can he expect others too?

 

[kehcorpz]

Are you able to post the whole study as an attachment? I can't seem to gain access to the full text.

No, I only have a paper copy of it which was made at a medical library. Sorry.

My biggest problem is that without seeing the full thing I can't verify a bunch of parameters. DHT is also known to fall at a much slower rate after castration. Now true castration would be a bilateral orchiectomy. Orchidectomy doesn't really mean much, it could be 1 testicle, it can be a portion of tissue.

They have a table in the study which shows DHT levels up to a full year after the orchiectomy. After a full 12 months, the level was down by 69.7% of the original pre-treatment level (just like with finasteride).

Furthermore, these were all apparently bilateral orchiectomies. The fact that testosterone levels were down by 95% seems to prove that.

I was merely confirming because sometimes even post-surgery on one testicle testosterone may drop significantly but come back up. I'll trust you on this one. I still don't think it matters much. My sex drive has gone up since finasteride. The biggest problem will come from the spike in estrogen levels that finasteride may cause in some.

 

[kehcorpz]

Originally posted by Kehcorpz
If you get to a point where you are avoiding masturbating or having sexual encounters then what's the point of having hair in the first place?

You appear to believe that life is all about sexual procreation, but life goes much deeper.

Visual stimuli created on a daily basis from seeing the progression of hair loss in the mirror destroys the afflicted persons confidence and creates an alternative perception of what is, after all, if a man struggles to accept is own image how can he expect others too?

Yes but that confidence is created by a fabricated superficial world relying on magazines, media and handsome movie stars. The reality is that there are a lot of people with male pattern baldness so you are not alone and society has adapted to it.

I went through it too so I do understand. I even used to do the comb over for a while but I decided to shave my head and the experience has been nothing but positive. I'd say that once I accepted it my confidence went up way more. The only people that needed to adjust to my shaved head were those used to my longer hair. People who have never seen me were just meeting a new person and would only ever see me with a shaved head. I look back to the hiding and realize how ridiculous it looked but I was in denial. Sure, I'd look better with full hair but I accept it and if people don't accept me for it they are merely a waste of my time. Luckily now Finasteride seems to be kicking in so maybe things will turn out, but if they don't, it feels good to accept myself, it really does.

 

[Mens Rea]

I don't believe that finasteride raises men's testosterone after long term use.

Obviously, it's a basic HPTA feedback mechanism loop which raises men's testosterone from finasteride. Less DHT conversation means there is more remaining testosterone. Very straightforward indeed.

However, i believe this is temporary and that in the longer term men's HPTA systems will adjust and eventually "normalise" this level of testosterone back to base levels, or close.

I've seen no long term studies to prove my theory either way, but from what i do understand about hormones and indeed the human body, i believe it's very likely to be correct. The human body always seeks to reset itself in such a manner and doesn't like artificial alternations of it's natural levels. Kind of like how when one uses TRT, the real generation of testosterone actually slows down.

I think finasteride can f*** you up long term and people on it for 10-20 years are much more likely to hit "andropause" sooner. Less DHT, a vital male hormone. I think so.

 

[Bryan]

I don't believe that finasteride raises men's testosterone after long term use.

Obviously, it's a basic HPTA feedback mechanism loop which raises men's testosterone from finasteride. Less DHT conversation means there is more remaining testosterone. Very straightforward indeed.

Really? Why doesn't your body merely start producing LESS testosterone, in response? How do you explain the increases in LH (luteinizing hormone) when you take finasteride? :dunno:

 

[WarLord]

are DHT levels of a person taking finasteride almost on par with a person being castrated?

No. But it will reduce your DHT levels close to the level of pre-pubescent children, e.g. below or at 15 ng/dl.
http://panarabderm.org/en/components/com_medi/upload/PALD_vol18_2_37-47.pdf

 

[abcdefg]

How do pseudo hermaphradites compare to men that are castrated since supposedly both do not lose hair long term you would think their hormonal profiles would match. I wonder how there receptor counts/densities compare assuming receptors are how a hair is affected by androgens over time.

 

[abcdefg]

So if castration stops male pattern baldness and finasteride/dutasteride do not then we know Testosterone is the true enemy not just the DHT? Hopefully CB will turn out to stop T and DHT significantly. A topical that could do that should theoretically stop male pattern baldness forever assuming your body does not adjust somehow.
I think it means after a man is castrated he does not regrow the hair he lost but the hair loss does not keep progressing from that point so it does stop it.

 

[Jls008]

I just had blood work done after 5 years on finasteride. Dht level was down to 10 and testosterone was at 748. I am 46. Doctor said testosterone level was perfect for age. While DHT level is extremely low, hair thinning continues. Thoughts?

 

[abcdefg]

There is nothing to say really because there are no answers to that. male pattern baldness has always been largely based on the sensitivity to androgens not just your androgens levels because in something like your case how do you explain male pattern baldness going on with DHT that low? IMO its receptors/sensitivity or testosterone is able to pick up where DHT leaves off they are both androgens and abundant in men but not women.

 

[gsxrexx]

could you counteract losing too much dht when on finasteride by taking creatine or zinc?