Diffused thinning bad candidates for hair transplant?

[Life_sucks]

Are people with diffused thinning bad candidates for Hair transplant?

The reason I ask is cause diffused thinning is scattered through out the top, while hair loss in crown/receding is in specific area. Easy to fill in specific areas.

 

[vanheldan]

what if you've got thick hair at the back and sides? I'm a diffuse thinner and i'm getting to that stage where i'm seriously considering it but i'm always hearing that hair transplants aren't that good diffuse thinners.

Can somebody answer these questions for me:

1) If you've got thick bunch of hair at the side and back, can it be done?

2) Would a surgeon be happy in scattering the donor hair onto your scalp instead of focusing in one area. i'm losing hair all over and would like my donor hair to spread inbetween the hairs i've already got.

could someone please answer these questions for me.

Thank you

 

[vanheldan]

Thank you for the reply.

I've been thinking of late that it might be worth getting a consultation just to see what my options are as hair deteriorates.

I don't know of any reputatble surgeons here in the UK, but i might try sending an e-mail with photos to top surgeons around the globe and see what they say. Hopefully one or two will give me a decent reply given the information i supply.

 

[bigtexman]

Hi Vanheldan,
I'm in a similar situation as you are.I am a diffuse thinner with excellent and thick donor hair at the back and sides.I did my first hair transplant this July(1100 grafts) and am eagerly awaiting results over the next six to eight months.The doctor told me that he is going to to his best to create an illusion of fuller hair.Time will tell.He also told me that the quality and quantity of donor hair is crucial to success.

 

[BenVegas01]

It depends on how diffuse. Its not just a matter of being difuse or not..

The best way to do it is to measure FU per square CM. Most good surgions in my experience will aim for between 40 - 50 FU minimum.

Then its a numbers game. How big is the area?

Say you already have 30 fU/ cm2.. and wanted an extra 30 FU in a 10cm x 8cm radius. Thats 80 x 30 = 2500 FU.

This is a good example of how a diffuse transplant can work providing there is some hair there already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzd_btOlPs

 

[vanheldan]

bigtexman: Thanks for replying. It's not often i see diffuse thinners report hair transplants on forums. I wish you the best of luck and hope you get the result you've been hoping for.

I'm not entirely sure what 1100 grafts looks like but it doesn't sound too much.
Could you please answer a few questions for me.

1) How bad was your baldness?
2) Could you see your scalp?
3) Was the hair scattered on your scalp between your natural healthier hairs?
4) Which doctor did you use, where and how much?
5) Did the doctor mention that you'd have to have more work done as your non-donor hair falls out?

I'd appreciate answers to these questions.

Thank you.

 

[vanheldan]

BenVegas01:Thanks for the info and the video link. Very interesting. I'd say my hair is slightly worse than that guy in the video. His transformation is simply amazing.

I'm going to try and upload some photos soon and wouldn't mind the opinion of people on this site.

Thank you.

 

[bigtexman]

Hi Vanheldan,
let me reply to your questions one by one.I don't have any before pics handy(the doctor has them) but I will try and get them to share with everyone.
#1)I was told that I was between Norwood3 and N4.Receding temples and overall thinning on top and crown.
#2)Yes I could see my scalp under sunshine and when wet in the shower.It was quite apparent and thus I avoided swimming this whole summer as this hairloss really bothers me.However I was able to create an illusion at night as long as noone was standing on top of me,for example a waitress in a restaurant.
#3)Yes that is exactly what the doctor did.
#4)Dr.Robert Prescott in Montreal,Canada.Cost 4000 plus tax.
#5)Yes he told me that for sure there would be another one or two operations over the next five to ten years.But noone knows at what rate the hair will be lost.I should mention that I look awful right now as one of the side effects of a hair transplant is the shedding of many healthy hairs in the receiving area.But they are to grow back along with the new hair by next spring....or so I hope.
I am following a regimen of Nizoral shampoo almost daily and Maxogain(blend of 5% minoxidil plus DHT inhibitors.I can't use Propecia as it caused me sexual problems in the past.I was on plain Minoxidil(without DHT inhibitors)for five years prior to surgery.
Hope this was helpful

 

[BenVegas01]

Hi Vanheldan,
let me reply to your questions one by one.I don't have any before pics handy(the doctor has them) but I will try and get them to share with everyone.
#1)I was told that I was between Norwood3 and N4.Receding temples and overall thinning on top and crown.
#2)Yes I could see my scalp under sunshine and when wet in the shower.It was quite apparent and thus I avoided swimming this whole summer as this hairloss really bothers me.However I was able to create an illusion at night as long as noone was standing on top of me,for example a waitress in a restaurant.
#3)Yes that is exactly what the doctor did.
#4)Dr.Robert Prescott in Montreal,Canada.Cost 4000 plus tax.
#5)Yes he told me that for sure there would be another one or two operations over the next five to ten years.But noone knows at what rate the hair will be lost.I should mention that I look awful right now as one of the side effects of a hair transplant is the shedding of many healthy hairs in the receiving area.But they are to grow back along with the new hair by next spring....or so I hope.
I am following a regimen of Nizoral shampoo almost daily and Maxogain(blend of 5% minoxidil plus DHT inhibitors.I can't use Propecia as it caused me sexual problems in the past.I was on plain Minoxidil(without DHT inhibitors)for five years prior to surgery.
Hope this was helpful

Man, get on DHT inhibitor of some kind if you can. Minoxidil will last awhile, but its effect will slowly decline, and in a couple of years perhaps leave you back at baseline then you'll start losing more ground. Not a good situation to be in if you've had a hair transplant.

My idea would be for you to use a topical solution with low side effect potential like RU 58841 in a good vechile. That should buy you some time. It will also work in syndergy with minoxidil - and the combined effect may give you some hairgrowth, and at least maintain for a good number of years.

Then not to long after 2015 - i think we will have something pretty useful in terms of new treatments. We should at least have a potent topical DHT competitive inbibitor - and some of the new cell based treatments are now in clinical trials.

 

[TravisB]

Those are doctors from USA only, right? What about Europe? I heard that dr. Feriduni in Belgium is one of the best/

 

[TravisB]

Rahal has also a clinic branded by his name in Switzerland. I guess when he is not present there, we can't be sure about quality?

 

[bigtexman]

Hi Vanheldan,
let me reply to your questions one by one.I don't have any before pics handy(the doctor has them) but I will try and get them to share with everyone.
#1)I was told that I was between Norwood3 and N4.Receding temples and overall thinning on top and crown.
#2)Yes I could see my scalp under sunshine and when wet in the shower.It was quite apparent and thus I avoided swimming this whole summer as this hairloss really bothers me.However I was able to create an illusion at night as long as noone was standing on top of me,for example a waitress in a restaurant.
#3)Yes that is exactly what the doctor did.
#4)Dr.Robert Prescott in Montreal,Canada.Cost 4000 plus tax.
#5)Yes he told me that for sure there would be another one or two operations over the next five to ten years.But noone knows at what rate the hair will be lost.I should mention that I look awful right now as one of the side effects of a hair transplant is the shedding of many healthy hairs in the receiving area.But they are to grow back along with the new hair by next spring....or so I hope.
I am following a regimen of Nizoral shampoo almost daily and Maxogain(blend of 5% minoxidil plus DHT inhibitors.I can't use Propecia as it caused me sexual problems in the past.I was on plain Minoxidil(without DHT inhibitors)for five years prior to surgery.
Hope this was helpful

Man, get on DHT inhibitor of some kind if you can. Minoxidil will last awhile, but its effect will slowly decline, and in a couple of years perhaps leave you back at baseline then you'll start losing more ground. Not a good situation to be in if you've had a hair transplant.

My idea would be for you to use a topical solution with low side effect potential like RU 58841 in a good vechile. That should buy you some time. It will also work in syndergy with minoxidil - and the combined effect may give you some hairgrowth, and at least maintain for a good number of years.

Then not to long after 2015 - i think we will have something pretty useful in terms of new treatments. We should at least have a potent topical DHT competitive inbibitor - and some of the new cell based treatments are now in clinical trials.

Thanx for the tip BenVegas01.I actually switched up my Minoxidil to Masxogain(google it) which supposedly has some DHT blockers in it.But after reading and researching I'm getting the feeling that this stuff is BS and probably nothing more than plain old minoxidil.I'm now looking for a topical DHT inhibitor and I'm gonna look into RU 58841...just hope I can import here.
Dudemon have a look at www.dr-prescott.com/en.My buddy did a hair transplant with him ten years ago and he looks great today.I guess I can only hope things will be satisfactory as the months go on.

 

[bigtexman]

Dudemon I heard you loud and clear and just hope I won't regret this.BTW Rahal was my first choice but due to not wanting to travel I went with Prescott.So far the only good news is that the scar is practically invisible.My wife,and others who checked under my hair,say that it's not even there.Now let's hope the regrowth is good.....

 

[BenVegas01]

Re maxogain - can't see any list of ingredients? Looks like a marketing thing that has minoxidil so may still be worth using.

Yeah, if the transplant is a success ...you will most probably need to find a suitable DHT inhibitor so you don't lose more native hair.

A good look through the RU thread in experiemental treatments would be a good place to start.

 

[bigtexman]

Re maxogain - can't see any list of ingredients? Looks like a marketing thing that has minoxidil so may still be worth using.

Yeah, if the transplant is a success ...you will most probably need to find a suitable DHT inhibitor so you don't lose more native hair.

A good look through the RU thread in experiemental treatments would be a good place to start.

Thanx BenVegas.Check the website maxogain.com and tell me your opinion on the ingredients and the so-called DHT blockers within.I don't want to waste time(and hair)on a scam product.Thanx.
Now speaking of DHT blockers,which I have begun to R&D on this website,it's hard to know where to begin and what won't damage or cause my hair to shed.Some guys swear by Revigen and others hate it etc.Same goes for most stuff.RU 58841 seems kinda hopeful but mixing it up is a confusing point.
Let's keep the exchange of info going and move in the right direction.

 

[BenVegas01]

Ru has been tested in many standard animal tests and shown to be a potent DHT inhibitor, and can inhibit scalp DHT to 70% (better than Finasteride). It completed phase 1 and 2 trails in humans but was never brought to market, and these results arnt publically known. There are some users that are using this treatment succesfully.

Its very easy to make up. If you read through the first few pags of that RU thread it will clear most things up.

The 'DHT inhibitor' in that product is something called Thymiskon. A good way to check if a product has much validity is to do a search on pubmed. I couldn't find much on this product, which probably means its just hype.

Also the minoxidil hasn't got PG or anything similar that i could see, so theres nothing to keep it from being absorbed to quickly and thus being ineffective.

Anyway this is getting off topic! Goodluck.

 

[bigtexman]

Thanx for the info BenVegas.I learnt some key points.I'm moving on to find a good and REAL DHT inhibitor so I'll catch you in another thread.

 

[BenVegas01]

No worries

Ru isn't anywhere near as well studied as Finasteride, and you won't find alot of success stories because of the limited numbr of people who have used it...

But its one of the best alternatives if you can't use finasteride or dutasteride because of the side effects - and its proven to be a potent DHT inhibitor in the scalp.

Good luck with your hair transplant too!