Do all male pattern baldness turn into NW7 over time?
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Shave my poodle
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It can stop at any time. Some people go NW2 at 20 and stay that way until death.
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fritz96 said:
Huh u sure? Then why we see slick balds walkng around.
Anyway i am pretty sure bu observing your uncles, dads grandads u can predict your own codition. I beleive male pattern baldness is inherited and like all inherited conditions, It follows members of the same genetic code
But on the other hand i think it a gradual damiging illness just like cancer or tumours.if left unchecked t can worsen..Whch is why drufgs like propecia may halt hair loss from going to Norwood 7
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deaner just out of curiosity...who is that guy in your avatar?looks weird
and who is branco...lol..that post by branco is hillarious!!
and who is branco...lol..that post by branco is hillarious!!
Not necessarily.
While it is true that male pattern baldness develops to some degree in almost 100% of men and is inexorable - it continues in EVERYBODY until death, the RATES of progression are highly variable from person to person. "Non-balding" people also have male pattern baldness in a way, but their rate of progression is almost negligible. Think of it in limits fashion - the rate of progressio n of male pattern baldness of a non-balding man tends to 0+, but is NEVER equal to 0. The people who maintain full hair even at 70 or 80 are lucky enough to have such a low rate of progression. EVERY SINGLE MAN in this world starts to bald after puberty - but some lose it SO slowly that we never see them lose any noticeable amount of hair , other than the usual NW2 recession (that patch of hair above the temples is really sensitive to DHT, much more so than the other hair.)
Add to this the factors of age, DHT levels in the follicle, and susceptibility to DHT (which is also not a constant throughout an individual man's life) and it is evident that the rate of progression is variable even in the same individual. All hair follicles of all people will miniaturize if they possess sufficient DHT AND susceptibility to it. For non-balding men, either their follicles don't produce enough DHT, or (more commonly) the follicles don't have sufficient androgen receptors for significant male pattern baldness to develop.
In short, most people will NOT reach NW7. Remember that NW6 is quite different from NW7. NW7 is a severe, advanced form of male pattern baldness which always includes significant temporal recession (this is the TEMPLE hairline, not the
FRONT hairline above the temples, which is what we normally call "temples"), significant thinning on the sides, and loss of hair on the back of the neck. I've seen two guys who had lost all (and I mean ALL, unless you want to count 1 hair for every 5cm2 or so) the hair on the sides and back of their head as well. That is NW7+++, the worst possible form of male pattern baldness.
Cheers,
Arjun
While it is true that male pattern baldness develops to some degree in almost 100% of men and is inexorable - it continues in EVERYBODY until death, the RATES of progression are highly variable from person to person. "Non-balding" people also have male pattern baldness in a way, but their rate of progression is almost negligible. Think of it in limits fashion - the rate of progressio n of male pattern baldness of a non-balding man tends to 0+, but is NEVER equal to 0. The people who maintain full hair even at 70 or 80 are lucky enough to have such a low rate of progression. EVERY SINGLE MAN in this world starts to bald after puberty - but some lose it SO slowly that we never see them lose any noticeable amount of hair , other than the usual NW2 recession (that patch of hair above the temples is really sensitive to DHT, much more so than the other hair.)
Add to this the factors of age, DHT levels in the follicle, and susceptibility to DHT (which is also not a constant throughout an individual man's life) and it is evident that the rate of progression is variable even in the same individual. All hair follicles of all people will miniaturize if they possess sufficient DHT AND susceptibility to it. For non-balding men, either their follicles don't produce enough DHT, or (more commonly) the follicles don't have sufficient androgen receptors for significant male pattern baldness to develop.
In short, most people will NOT reach NW7. Remember that NW6 is quite different from NW7. NW7 is a severe, advanced form of male pattern baldness which always includes significant temporal recession (this is the TEMPLE hairline, not the
FRONT hairline above the temples, which is what we normally call "temples"), significant thinning on the sides, and loss of hair on the back of the neck. I've seen two guys who had lost all (and I mean ALL, unless you want to count 1 hair for every 5cm2 or so) the hair on the sides and back of their head as well. That is NW7+++, the worst possible form of male pattern baldness.
Cheers,
Arjun
Ahh sh*t I have considerablr loss on the temples and hailine shite. My hair has even thinned on the sides and nape of the neck, Im definitely headed to a full out Nw7+++ I have I have crazy beard lookin hair around my ears and down the side of my neckBut I still have hair on tne top just real thin,Does this mean that the mediations will not work as well if its gone this far already is it a loss cause,Im DOOOOOOOmed, for real though am I fucked if I am this case.If I am I will bic my head and become a monk and hide in the mountains and become a deformed mountain person and live amongst other freaks.
someone who has any info or knowledge on this please answer<whats most important, The speed and progression the pattern the age or your response to meds thats most important.I know its a combo of all them but what if all $ of them are against you. also if dht is the culprite for the sides thinninig then would finasteride thicken them or hair other then the top?
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Re: Not necessarily.
Arjun17 - what is your Norwood level and are you using propecia or minoxidil and what is working for you ? your age ? any pics to share ?
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Arjun17 - what is your Norwood level and are you using propecia or minoxidil and what is working for you ? your age ? any pics to share ?
To tu pac.....
Sorry if I scared you or anything, no it is not necessary or 100% certain that you will be NW7, actually the two guys I saw may have had something called DUPA (Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia) in which there is rapid overall thinning of all hair, including the sides and back. These two guys really had almost no hair on the sides and back, it was hardly possible to see an outline of the horseshoe, but there is no such case of male pattern baldness in the world in which the sides and back are as bad as or worse than the top (which is slick bald with only a few single random hairs here and there in NW7s), they will always be affected to a lesser extent. Even though DUPA affects all hair, it affects the sides and back to a somewhat lower extent than the top.
Most NW7s have some (but not much) thinning on the sides and back, and do lose hair on the nape of the neck and at their temporal hairlines. They also often have "beard-like hair" which is coarse and somewhat kinky and unruly in the remaining areas (sides and back). Now, some temporal recession often occurs even in the lower Norwoods (4-6) but it is more noticeable in NW7s, and often goes behind the sideburns. The NW7+++ which I mentioned is VERY, VERY rare. Maybe 1% of NW7s have almost "transparent" horseshoe zones like I described. Now, from what you have said, you may be a NW7 in the future - it would be deceitful of me not to tell you that there is a fair chance of that. Nevertheless, you still have hope. Stay on the meds, and you may well be able to hold off male pattern baldness until cloning becomes a reality.
What's your family history of hairloss and when did it start for you? How old are you now?
Cheers and best of luck,
Arjun
Sorry if I scared you or anything, no it is not necessary or 100% certain that you will be NW7, actually the two guys I saw may have had something called DUPA (Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia) in which there is rapid overall thinning of all hair, including the sides and back. These two guys really had almost no hair on the sides and back, it was hardly possible to see an outline of the horseshoe, but there is no such case of male pattern baldness in the world in which the sides and back are as bad as or worse than the top (which is slick bald with only a few single random hairs here and there in NW7s), they will always be affected to a lesser extent. Even though DUPA affects all hair, it affects the sides and back to a somewhat lower extent than the top.
Most NW7s have some (but not much) thinning on the sides and back, and do lose hair on the nape of the neck and at their temporal hairlines. They also often have "beard-like hair" which is coarse and somewhat kinky and unruly in the remaining areas (sides and back). Now, some temporal recession often occurs even in the lower Norwoods (4-6) but it is more noticeable in NW7s, and often goes behind the sideburns. The NW7+++ which I mentioned is VERY, VERY rare. Maybe 1% of NW7s have almost "transparent" horseshoe zones like I described. Now, from what you have said, you may be a NW7 in the future - it would be deceitful of me not to tell you that there is a fair chance of that. Nevertheless, you still have hope. Stay on the meds, and you may well be able to hold off male pattern baldness until cloning becomes a reality.
What's your family history of hairloss and when did it start for you? How old are you now?
Cheers and best of luck,
Arjun
Hi Helpmeregrow,
I am 18 and have no hairloss AS YET, but am concerned that it may pop up in the future. If I post pics of my hair, I will be kicked straight out of the forum. 'Nuff said.
BTW, I read your story, and let me tell you that if hair sticks up at more than a certain "critical" angle, some scalp will always show through, even in guys with the thickest hair. e.g. Look in sunlight at a guy with thick wavy hair puffed up backwards away from his forehead. SCALP will show through the front at a particular angle even when dry, no matter how thick his hair may be. (Obviously it will be more noticeable with wet or thinner hair)
That said, you are certainly thinning some up front, but it does not seem be quite as bad as the photos show. Keep going with your regimen, and you should get some decent regrowth in addition to maintenance.
Cheers,
Arjun
I am 18 and have no hairloss AS YET, but am concerned that it may pop up in the future. If I post pics of my hair, I will be kicked straight out of the forum. 'Nuff said.
BTW, I read your story, and let me tell you that if hair sticks up at more than a certain "critical" angle, some scalp will always show through, even in guys with the thickest hair. e.g. Look in sunlight at a guy with thick wavy hair puffed up backwards away from his forehead. SCALP will show through the front at a particular angle even when dry, no matter how thick his hair may be. (Obviously it will be more noticeable with wet or thinner hair)
That said, you are certainly thinning some up front, but it does not seem be quite as bad as the photos show. Keep going with your regimen, and you should get some decent regrowth in addition to maintenance.
Cheers,
Arjun
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arjun17 said:
Thanks for your feedback ! .. The wedding photo in my album is perhaps the worst photo showing hairloss in all the pictures I have till date...I have even tried taking additional frontal pictures but havent been able to reproduce something as bad as that one.... It scared the $hit out of me. I had applied too much gel on my hair that day just 30 minutes before. But the sunlight and possibly the flash made it look WORSE. I have stopped appyling gel since I have realised how bad it looks now. I am on propecia and a number of other things except minoxidil which I dont plan to add anytime soon. I am expecting my frontal hair will thicken up to an extent
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Shave my poodle said:
Isnt that being HIGHLY optimistic to the point of being unrealistic ?
I doubt that could be the case....
ARJUN 17
I have that wierd hair around my ears it is very destinct the difference between that and my hair is fucked. I barely have temple hair anymore just tiny triangles that come out about a cm. I havr thinned big time on my sideburns there as sparse as the top,my nape of my neck has thiined aswel,For f*** sakes I have thinned every ware which kinda helps makes me look like I am less bald,but Its very easy to tell im goin real bald.My meds aint workin for sh*t I dont know why my hair is goin so fast even my mom says that this is unreal especially how fast my temple and hairline faded away.AN hair transplant Doctor told me I was Nw7 and some go fast and some slow he said that wierd hair is a bad indication but told me to keep doin what Im doin and it may slow down.I think Im fucked though I actually biced my head the other day in prep cause more then likely its going to be my only option,Atlest I be ready when the time comes when acceptance is my only way out. In reality I didnt look that bad but Its hard when you know, Hey this is my new look And then you remeber that this sh*t is forever. MY girlfriend didnt like it but hey my hair can t change but whoes my girlfriend can
I have that wierd hair around my ears it is very destinct the difference between that and my hair is fucked. I barely have temple hair anymore just tiny triangles that come out about a cm. I havr thinned big time on my sideburns there as sparse as the top,my nape of my neck has thiined aswel,For f*** sakes I have thinned every ware which kinda helps makes me look like I am less bald,but Its very easy to tell im goin real bald.My meds aint workin for sh*t I dont know why my hair is goin so fast even my mom says that this is unreal especially how fast my temple and hairline faded away.AN hair transplant Doctor told me I was Nw7 and some go fast and some slow he said that wierd hair is a bad indication but told me to keep doin what Im doin and it may slow down.I think Im fucked though I actually biced my head the other day in prep cause more then likely its going to be my only option,Atlest I be ready when the time comes when acceptance is my only way out. In reality I didnt look that bad but Its hard when you know, Hey this is my new look And then you remeber that this sh*t is forever. MY girlfriend didnt like it but hey my hair can t change but whoes my girlfriend can