Does male pattern baldness have to be heredity ? I think NO

[hairhaircomeagain]

Is it always the case that male pattern baldness happens only if someone in your family is already affected from it. I dont think so.

Why?

No one ..and I mean NO ONE in my parents family has ever balded. My 90 yr old great granpa died 8 years ago at 90 and he had a head full of hair. Everyone, dad, mom, uncles, grandpa, grandma ..no hair loss.

Thats the main reason when 7-8 years ago my family doctor completely ruled out male pattern baldness when I started seeing hairloss. everyone told me its school/exam stress. Now my hair has receded a lot and its a clear case of male pattern baldness. Again , I got my blood tested to make sure its male pattern baldness and everything is great except high cholestrol ( now where did that come from , I am just cursed I think)

Is it that I am the one who will start this in the family history. Damn I will be hated for centuries and centuries by my stll not existent family.

 

[Freestyle]

Maybe you're adopted.

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

I am not.

And yeah...Please no other stupid comments.

 

[powersam]

you get your blood sugar levels checked, thyroid?

is the the milkman a goodlooking guy?

 

[Freestyle]

Hey, I was being serious.

This kid I knew in school, his father used to get laughed at all the time because his son looked nothing like him. All his friends would say "Hey, maybe you should start checking the next door neighbors to see what they look like..." You know; stupid jokes to work him up.

Flash forward eight years, and it turns out the kid isn't his son at all. The mother had an affair, and denied it until the guy got sick of the jokes and ordered blood tests to put the gags to rest.

 

[chewbaca]

I am starting to think so. I think male pattern baldness may not always be hereditary. THe presence of excess DHT may cause cause hair loss hence the cases of diffuse thinners.

Those with a full head of hair are actually the ones who have the inability to produce the type 2 enzyme .

As for the classic Norwood balders, it may be carried in the gene from the mum resulting in hihger DHT sensititvity

 

[techprof]

none of my relatives on my mothers or fathers side is slick bald like me.
None of them ever crossed NW3 or 3.5 in their entire life.
(this includes my grandpa, uncles, and every man)

 

[googler]

My maternal grandfather was a nw7, his 40 year old sons are diffuse nw1 and nw2. My paternal grandfather was a nw1 until he was 90, his sons all have full heads of hair except for my dad who is a nw8. My brothers and I are diffusing all over, and it looks as if we'll be nw8 by the time we are our fathers age.

 

[powersam]

chewbacca that post, seriously. all men (apart from those 5ar2 free ones on some island somewhere) have dht in their systems.

chewbacca - Those with a full head of hair are actually the ones who have the inability to produce the type 2 enzyme

if you had no type2 then yes you wouldnt lose any hair, but pretty much every male has some type2. its your follicles sensitivity to it, plus the level of it that matters

chewbacca - As for the classic Norwood balders, it may be carried in the gene from the mum resulting in hihger DHT sensititvity

from the mothers side, or the fathers side. the whole mothers side thing is an old wives tale.

 

[Johnny24601]

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It is a medical issue due to androgens attacking the hair follicle. How else can the human body have such a response unless it has to do with a preprogrammed reaction (i.e. heredity). Genes can lie dormant within the body for generations. The only thing I can add is that diet and lifestyle MAY enhance the bodies androgen sensitivity. Also, male pattern baldness can come from the male or female chromosone and just because no men in one's family has any signs of male pattern baldness, does not mean that the gene is not present within your mother or grandmother's DNA.
The medical community, who's opinion is far more valid then posters on a forum, is united on this issue.

 

[JayB]

dude male pattern baldness has no rhyme or reason. you see celebs with gorgeous hair while their dad is *** bald. Same with my friends. Then you see fathers with full heads of hair and their kids are balding.

It doesnt make sense. I think there are other factors and most important other than the genetic balding you see is how well you handle stress.
The stress hormones f*** up your hair even worse than your natural weakness to testosterone.

 

[hairhaircomeagain]

I think I have to agree with JayB. Stress is the catalyst.

I have been having hair loss since 7-8 yrs now and I have felt more hair losing when I am under stress. I was under lot of stress when the thing actually started. Then things became normal and so did my hairfall.

Lately in the past 6 months I have seen my hairline receding a lot. I think this was because arnd 5-6 months ago I had a full month of really high stress and tension. So this really kicks up the male pattern baldness.

Problem with my hairfall is that my hair shed is very unnoticable. I think it sheds more at times when I cant catch it, like propbably when I am walking or working out or something like that.

I say this because I am trying to get on medication and I want to see whether that medication is increasing my shed or not. But I dont see any shed right now. I sleep on a white pillow cover so that I can catch the number of hair that feel. I can hardly see 4-5. Then i see the number of hairs in my comb, coming out while I am shampooing or falling on the sink or bath tub or when I gel my hair ( LOL...Sometimes I laugh at myself when I think about gelling my hair, What hair...lol ? ). At the worst I can see is 20-25. I am shedding way too much for the balding that I have or probably the follicles are getting acted upon way too fast.

Damn....more stress...where are the sheds

 

[Johnny24601]

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Stress can accelerate male pattern baldness for sure. But it is accelerating a medical issue caused by androgen sensitivity and passed down through your genes. It is incredibly short sighted and ignorant to be making conclusions based on your own experience or even those of your friends. That sort of tiny dataset tells us absolutely nothing. Not to mention the fact that you cannot discuss this issue with your DNA so you have no clue what is going on at the cellular level. Unless you present scientific evidence then you are lost on this issue as there is a rediculous amount of scientific evidence that supports the case that male pattern baldness is a genetic condition....period.
This same thread comes up every few months on this board like clockwork and I am sure this pattern will continue. Many male pattern baldness sufferers go through this period where they turn into Doogie Howser and start to come up with their own theories on male pattern baldness. They cannot accept the fact that they have been predisposed to have hair follicles that are far more sensitive to DHT interaction. They want to convince themselves that this cannot be true as they never expected it to happen to them. I was one of them. Both my grandparents have a full head of hair, my father is maybe a Norwood-2 at 55, only one (out of 8) uncles have any sign of male pattern baldness and his is very mild and yet I am losing it at 26. Sucks.
You have zero, I repeat zero respected experts on this subject who have been able to prove that male pattern baldness is not genetic. Hairloss is a major issue to men and has been aggresively researched. Not sure what else there is to say.

 

[chewbaca]

Stress could be an issue because it increases DHT in the system

But again , i believe the hereditary is sometimes doubtful.
the latest study done in 2005 which said male pattern baldness is inherited from mum did not clarify what types of hairloss they studied, Classice recede or diffuse?

I beleive androgens are powerful and in their presence body states can be altered to the point that males can turn into females and vice versa ight?

 

[powersam]

Stress could be an issue because it increases DHT in the system

where do you get that info from?

 

[chewbaca]

Stress could be an issue because it increases DHT in the system

where do you get that info from?

there is a realtion between stress and major cosmetic disorders regarding skin and hair..

read this link for more :

http://www.dermadoctor.com/pages/newsletter244.asp

By upsetting the balance, stress becomes a major flare factor for all of these dermatological concerns. Hence the explanation for why sudden onset of acne is often associated with wedding day jitters, prom, job interviews and school exams.

Uncontrolled stress can also trigger an increased rate of hair loss. It is not uncommon for my hair loss patients describe increased shedding during major emotional/health/life events. What should have been transient telogen effluvium inexplicably results in a lack of regrowth many months later. The reason: it wasn’t simple telogen effluvium at all, but coincidental androgenic alopecia triggered by higher levels of circulating DHT. Coincidentally, this female or male pattern hair loss was likely in its infancy and was grossly sped along much to the chagrin of the unfortunate patient.

 

[Johnny24601]

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As evidence that male pattern baldness is not entirely genetic, this guy posts a link to some ladies cosmetic product website. If pretty little Dr. Audrey said it as she hawks her crappy products, then it is the truth. What a joke. Now I know why I cannot visit this forum too often.

 

[powersam]

dude read any or all of his posts and you'll see they arent to be paid any attention

 

[Armando Jose]

haircomeagain;

Have you the same type of hair of your parents? (regarding hair density and thickness).

Regards
Armando

 

[EasyEd]

I don't have any hairloss in my family either, certainly not on my father's side. When I spoke to my derm, she said genes contribute but aren't always the last say. She said in my case, it's kind of a "it has to start somewhere in the family" type of thing. I think genes play a role but not a 100% role.