Dr Proctor's Products - proxiphen, nano, etc

[Felk]

Hi there,

I am still deciding which would be the best route to take for a topical maintainence regimen for the frontal areas. I have been taking a long time with this, since treatment is such a big commitment once you begin. I'm currently only using spironolactone 5%, which i will definately use in my regimen, it just makes me feel ok about doing something whilst im still deciding.

However recently i've been looking into dr proctor's products. http://www.drproctor.com and i came across proxiphen and proxiphen-n and i was wondering about people's experience with these were? I know Bryan maintained and regrew over 2 years just using nano and the over the counter prox-n, but has anyone else had results?

Im looking into the prescription proxiphen, which, though very expensive, looks like it would be the perfect solution for me. Once a day topical, like revivogen, but surely more effective (i dont place much faith in revivogen)

One thing that bothers me is how long proctor has been around. Mostly this comforts me... but if proxiphen was so effective why hasnt it revolutionised hair loss treatment over the last 20 years? (this same argument applies to revivogen, only far more so...)

One possible reason i believe is the huge amount of different active ingredients in proxiphen, which would surely make everyone respond differently... and the price of course

Anyway, i was just looking for opinions on proctors products. I know Dr Lee is regarded as far superior, but he doesnt have anything appealing as proxiphen for my situation.

Thanks a lot,
Felk

 

[techprof]

felk,
after using Dr. Lee's products for close to 20 months I concur with you.
You can't lose with prescription proxiphen in my opinion.

I haven't seen a single post that showed users losing ground (advancing in the Norwood scale) after using finasteride, dutasteride or prescription proxiphen.

However if you use just minoxidil you might respond well initially (i went from Nw4 to NW2), but it is misleading and may not last long.

 

[Felk]

Thanks a lot for the reply techprof.

You say if i use minoxidil alone my results may be very good, but misleading as they may not last. I know this is what minoxidil is like, it doesn't treat the underlying cause of male pattern baldness like propecia does.

However this is the one thing that worries me about prescription prox - it has minoxidil in it.

Couldn't someone just "respond well" to it due to just the minoxidil working, and all the other stuff in it doesn't end up helping them to maintain? (my only realistic goal really.)

 

[chuckfrasher]

Thanks a lot for the reply techprof.

You say if i use minoxidil alone my results may be very good, but misleading as they may not last. I know this is what minoxidil is like, it doesn't treat the underlying cause of male pattern baldness like propecia does.

However this is the one thing that worries me about prescription prox - it has minoxidil in it.

Proxiphen also has an antiandrogen (spironolactone) in it plus some other stuff.

 

[Felk]

I just recieved an email from Doctor Proctor in which he responded to some questions of mine:

I am around a norwood 1.5, with thinning in a norwood 3 pattern. I am not losing any hair at the back. Does proxiphen stand a good chance at helping these areas?

Mostly, we coarsen what you have and perhaps replace some recent hair loss. However, we generally do not bring hair lines foreward. If this is sufficient for you, you are a good candidate.

I know proxiphen contains minoxidil. One thing im worried about is my hair thickening/regrowing on account of the minoxidil, then receding later on as minoxidil results are unstable as opposed to hair gained on finasteride, dutasteride etc.

The same is true with finasteride and dutasteride, to about the same extent ( about 1/3rd of cases by 3-4 years).

Does this occur with proxiphen, can one develop a tolerance to it? (lack of a better word...)

Rarely. We keep out some agents in cases it does. This way, we can give yousomething you have not been exposed to previously.

If proxiphen once a day can indeed "coarsen what i have" and maintain it, i am willing to dish out the money for it, seeing as though i'd only be using it on about half my head. I would also use spironolactone 5% and/or Fluridil to help with maintainence. How does this regimen sound guys?

 

[chuckfrasher]

I would also use spironolactone 5% and/or Fluridil to help with maintainence. How does this regimen sound guys?

Hey bud, unless Dr. P has changed his forumla, it already has spironolactone in it.

 

[Felk]

Yeah i know it has spironolactone, but it's a relatively low percentage, much less than 5%.

Also, i seem to remember people discussing the spironolactone studies, and coming to the conclusion that it needed to be applied at least twice a day to be effective. Something about it becomming ineffective after 4 hours.

 

[stax]

Proxiphen contains 2% spironolactone and the 5% isnt that much more effective than the 5% according to Dr.Lee.

I too would like to know if the amount of spironolactone in a proxiphen dose would be enough to be effective at blocking the androgen receptors for the day as i apply Proxiphen in the day and i want to apply genhairs flutamide lotion at night to give 24 hour androgen protection. Anybody have any thoughts?

 

[chuckfrasher]

Proxiphen contains 2% spironolactone and the 5% isnt that much more effective than the 5% according to Dr.Lee.

I too would like to know if the amount of spironolactone in a proxiphen dose would be enough to be effective at blocking the androgen receptors for the day as i apply Proxiphen in the day and i want to apply genhairs flutamide lotion at night to give 24 hour androgen protection. Anybody have any thoughts?

I am not familiar with that flutamide lotion. Isn't there a problem with systemic absorption?

 

[stax]

chuckfrasher, only about 16 % gets systematically absorbed and people have been treated orally with 750mgs with no problems. So applying 1ml of a 2% Flutamide lotion would be mabye 5mg's or so getting absorbed systematically. I doubt that Flutamide only works by absorbing systematically because people over at HLH are having results so i doubt 5mg's systematically is giving them their results. It could be a combination of both. Those who dont overdue it dont really claim any side effects mabye a little deccrease in sex drive.