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You're an astute fellow...criticize and blatant attacks are 2 different things. RIght???
You're an astute fellow...criticize and blatant attacks are 2 different things. RIght???
Hi Dr Rogers. Hope you're well.
I'll hopefully have a day out in the cotswolds sometime soon so I'll pop in to see you and let you see my new short blonde hair
Good luck with your growth, that amount of grafts won't do loads but if it improves your hairline a touch and makes you happy that's all that matters. Surprised you didn't go for FUE with (the lovely) Dr Stevenson.
Hope Jean and Mandy are ok.
I'll hopefully have a day out in the cotswolds sometime soon so I'll pop in to see you and let you see my new short blonde hair
Good luck with your growth, that amount of grafts won't do loads but if it improves your hairline a touch and makes you happy that's all that matters. Surprised you didn't go for FUE with (the lovely) Dr Stevenson.
Hope Jean and Mandy are ok.
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I'm more interested in what Dr. Rogers thinks right now. :wink:
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From what I see it's Is all slick marketing. I was being subtle when I was referring to the patients expectations. In other words the slick marketing and false advertising is what got them there in the beginning. Armani does good work but there are ethical concerns , dense packing on young guys with little hairloss and a script for future loss?
Sure a few Elvis' come out of there. The "posterboys" ,but where are they going to be tomorrow.
The other thing is the hair model ; Used by all frequently.
Usually accompanied by a hot chick.
The only guys that have long term success have or were given realistic expectations and went conservative / natural.
One other thing there a disproportionate number of doctors that get a few grafts to endear themselves to the client and seal the deal. I know that trick .
Sure a few Elvis' come out of there. The "posterboys" ,but where are they going to be tomorrow.
The other thing is the hair model ; Used by all frequently.
Usually accompanied by a hot chick.
The only guys that have long term success have or were given realistic expectations and went conservative / natural.
One other thing there a disproportionate number of doctors that get a few grafts to endear themselves to the client and seal the deal. I know that trick .
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Opt, could you ref-raise that ? Its kind of a trick question. Like .. "Were you ever caught inhaling hair spray or jerking in a closet." Answer "No." Reply " So you have and never got caught, good place isn't it. " GIMME 20.
But I'll risk it for you . I have seen a Thin but "full" look thats natural.)perfect} But conversly I have seen way to many that had too much to begin with end up way, way worst off. It really is a paradox.
This once again places the onus on the doctor (expectations vs. risk ). Unfortunately most have abrogated that responsibility for too long for gain.
The other thing is that we don't see the bad results only the good ones.
Does that sound like a commercial in reverse?
But I'll risk it for you . I have seen a Thin but "full" look thats natural.)perfect} But conversly I have seen way to many that had too much to begin with end up way, way worst off. It really is a paradox.
This once again places the onus on the doctor (expectations vs. risk ). Unfortunately most have abrogated that responsibility for too long for gain.
The other thing is that we don't see the bad results only the good ones.
Does that sound like a commercial in reverse?
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Gillenator - I've always thought your opinions are fair and your questions are valid. I would say that I don't do "slick marketing" and any of my patients I'm sure would agree I'm ethical - no offence is taken.
We do not employ any salesmen, advisors, patient coordinators. The doctors see each patient personally, usually weeks or months before the procedure is booked in. Our consent forms etc are on the website to be viewed before the day of procedure - no surprises about disclaimers on the day.
I generally only post on this and other forums occasionally, although I've been on the UK based SHLN forum recently. It was suggested I should post more widely. I thought simply putting up the latest photos would be marketing whereas at least having my own hair transplant is genuinely newsworthy - I now know what it's like to be on the other side.
In addition, photos of the crusts and healing etc, might be useful to patients - people want to know how quickly they can get back to work and I don't see a lot of that information around on clinic websites and I am putting these up on mine.
As for linking the photo - apologies if that isn't the way to do it. On SHLN, you upload the picture directly into the post. On this site, I cannot see how you do it. There is an IMG button but that seems to insert a link, which needs to be on "an external server." The only external server I have is my website.
I do have more photos to show - some are up on SHLN because of my ability to post the pics easily.
Hope that clarifies my views.
We do not employ any salesmen, advisors, patient coordinators. The doctors see each patient personally, usually weeks or months before the procedure is booked in. Our consent forms etc are on the website to be viewed before the day of procedure - no surprises about disclaimers on the day.
I generally only post on this and other forums occasionally, although I've been on the UK based SHLN forum recently. It was suggested I should post more widely. I thought simply putting up the latest photos would be marketing whereas at least having my own hair transplant is genuinely newsworthy - I now know what it's like to be on the other side.
In addition, photos of the crusts and healing etc, might be useful to patients - people want to know how quickly they can get back to work and I don't see a lot of that information around on clinic websites and I am putting these up on mine.
As for linking the photo - apologies if that isn't the way to do it. On SHLN, you upload the picture directly into the post. On this site, I cannot see how you do it. There is an IMG button but that seems to insert a link, which needs to be on "an external server." The only external server I have is my website.
I do have more photos to show - some are up on SHLN because of my ability to post the pics easily.
Hope that clarifies my views.
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I was hoping Dr. Rogers would reply to my intial post on this thread. :roll:
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Thanks for your reply Dr. Rogers and am relieved to read it. Undoubtedly you see why I was "impressioned" the way it was "presented". Yes, I have indeed heard nice things from your patients which is why I was quite surprised to see the approach I spoke of earlier. I like your protocol with your patients too.
And you are right, the uploading of individual picks here is easier said than done; it's kind of tricky. I think the easiest way to put up pics in this community is to upload them through a free hosting site like photobucket.com. Then you input the image URL it gives you into your HLY post. I have never put up any pics at this site but I think that's the way alot of patients have done it here.
I'll check out your other pics on the UK forum you mentioned.
Thanks again for your participation! Besy wishes to you, your colleague, and of course your team.
And you are right, the uploading of individual picks here is easier said than done; it's kind of tricky. I think the easiest way to put up pics in this community is to upload them through a free hosting site like photobucket.com. Then you input the image URL it gives you into your HLY post. I have never put up any pics at this site but I think that's the way alot of patients have done it here.
I'll check out your other pics on the UK forum you mentioned.
Thanks again for your participation! Besy wishes to you, your colleague, and of course your team.
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Mahair said:
Actually Mahair we do see the bad results we just refrain from commenting out loud on these forums b/c it would destroy some of these guys so the least we can do is be polite and supportive. The only time we really lash out is when the bad results are so bad( like most of the grafts didnt grow out or poor coverage, bad hair loss placement) then we subtly hint. You have seen those cases on HLH, you get the idea. What about when a guy post pix 4 days post up and everyone is "wowing" the presentation. Nope just being polite b/c there is nothing there.
As for the cherry picked guys such as Armani, I had lunch with Jeff R from their LA office here in NYC last yr and he looks amazing for a guy who had diffuse hairloss. He only had 3300 to the frontal 1/3 progressing back. There was no illusion of density there. He ran his hands thru it like 5 times I didnt see scalp...almost looked fake, but for every Jeff there are about 10 not so great see thru jobs. Bottom line, pics are ok but SEE these guys in person up close. Good point about where/what these guys will look like down the road. That's the big picture so many fail to see.
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Almost looked fake? Reminds me of an episode of the old twilight zone . Hidden in plain sight so to speak. Why do you think Larry Lee points it out then diverts. Nothing wrong there. C'mon.
I won't get into the 101 reasons not to either because this is about the stragies that get guys to say O.K.. Not about the ramifications of SURGERY or bad doctors.
Almost looked fake? Reminds me of an episode of the old twilight zone . Hidden in plain sight so to speak. Why do you think Larry Lee points it out then diverts. Nothing wrong there. C'mon.
I won't get into the 101 reasons not to either because this is about the stragies that get guys to say O.K.. Not about the ramifications of SURGERY or bad doctors.
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I've now uploaded to Photobucket a selection of photos.
I'm on day13 and most of the crusts have gone. The donor is much better for having the stitches out but still a bit flaky too.
Quite a few of the hairs are still, although some have shed. Still a bit hard to judge yet - we'll see what happens over next few weeks.
This is Pre op but the others should be accessible via the site
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I'm on day13 and most of the crusts have gone. The donor is much better for having the stitches out but still a bit flaky too.
Quite a few of the hairs are still, although some have shed. Still a bit hard to judge yet - we'll see what happens over next few weeks.
This is Pre op but the others should be accessible via the site