Erectile Dysfunvtion on 1.2mg dose of Finasteride?

[kiwiboy]

So i've been taking this dosage since around the 25th August, everything has been fine up until a couple of days ago, i noticed it was hard to keep an erection, and ever since my dick won't go hard, is this a normal side effect for my body in the early stages of taking this drug? How long should i wait if it continues to get off the drug? Cheers

 

[abdo123]

yes it will pass away after the first month (based on personal experience)

 

[Rittdk01]

U R Insane if u continue to take it AFTER those side effects. Get off and hope u didnt do any perm damage. Your sex life is way more important than hair.

 

[g.i joey]

U R Insane if u continue to take it AFTER those side effects. Get off and hope u didnt do any perm damage. Your sex life is way more important than hair.

This is bad advice. It's like saying "if I go to the gym.and I'm sore the next day should I stop going"?

Dude if you want take a day or 2 off till ur comfortable and try again. But u should ride it out.. I had 1 week where I think I got 3 boners when I started, now I'm on 3 months and I have to fap everyday

 

[Vlatch]

Don't hesitate to take 5 days or a week off the drug if you think it's causing side effects, it will hardly damage your hair and you can see for yourself if they're caused by finasteride or not.

DHT levels won't rise for three days after a 1mg intake so you'll have to wait more than that.

If it's causing sides, you can lower your intake to 1mg twice a week or even once a week, it'll be less effective but useful nonetheless. Taking 0.25mg/ day won't do any good, it'll be nearly the same as 1mg/day, the important thing is spacing out the intakes.

If it doesn't work, well, stop and find an alternative or try to ride out the sides.

 

[yetti]

If it's causing sides, you can lower your intake to 1mg twice a week or even once a week, it'll be less effective but useful nonetheless. Taking 0.25mg/ day won't do any good, it'll be nearly the same as 1mg/day, the important thing is spacing out the intakes.

This is related to something I've been wondering about as I comtemplate taking this drug... for example 1 mg every 2 days, or .5 mg every day. (I've noticed that some people seem to take a reduced dose daily, while others do the "MWF" plan.) Is there any reason to believe that there's any difference between these 2 options? Obviously it would be easier to take a pill every 2 days rather than half a pill every day. But... any difference?

 

[Vlatch]

This is related to something I've been wondering about as I comtemplate taking this drug... for example 1 mg every 2 days, or .5 mg every day. (I've noticed that some people seem to take a reduced dose daily, while others do the "MWF" plan.) Is there any reason to believe that there's any difference between these 2 options? Obviously it would be easier to take a pill every 2 days rather than half a pill every day. But... any difference?

Taking 1mg/eod or 0.5mg/ed won't make any difference.

One dose of 0.2mg of finasteride lowers 80% as much DHT as one dose of 1mg. This is based on a normal body mass, we're not all made the same way. If I weigh 230 pounds and I take 0.2mg of finasteride, it may not have much effect.

DHT starts to rise again after 2-3 days after one intake. That means if you take 0.5mg eod, it will be exactly the same in terms of DHT reduction as 1mg ed or 0.25mg ed.

The only way to reduce the effect of finasteride for certain is to take less than 0.2mg ed which is tricky, or to really space out the intakes, like twice or even once a week (taking 1mg of finasteride MWF is nearly the same as 1mg ed, well you may have a small rise in DHT on sunday evening but that's about it).

The easiest way to control DHT reduction is to take dutasteride because of it's very long half life (0.5mg ed being more effective than finasteride, 0.5mg once a week being nearly as effective as finasteride, 0.5mg once a fortnight being less effective but still useful, etc.).

 

[yetti]

Taking 1mg/eod or 0.5mg/ed won't make any difference.

One dose of 0.2mg of finasteride lowers 80% as much DHT as one dose of 1mg. This is based on a normal body mass, we're not all made the same way. If I weigh 230 pounds and I take 0.2mg of finasteride, it may not have much effect.

DHT starts to rise again after 2-3 days after one intake. That means if you take 0.5mg eod, it will be exactly the same in terms of DHT reduction as 1mg ed or 0.25mg ed.

The only way to reduce the effect of finasteride for certain is to take less than 0.2mg ed which is tricky, or to really space out the intakes, like twice or even once a week (taking 1mg of finasteride MWF is nearly the same as 1mg ed, well you may have a small rise in DHT on sunday evening but that's about it).

The easiest way to control DHT reduction is to take dutasteride because of it's very long half life (0.5mg ed being more effective than finasteride, 0.5mg once a week being nearly as effective as finasteride, 0.5mg once a fortnight being less effective but still useful, etc.).

Thanks a lot. Interesting info. Strange... it seems that .5mg is basically equally effective as 1mg. Also seems that taking it every other day is basically equally effective to every day. So I wonder why 1mg (or 1.25mg) every day is the recommended dose? Could be a lot less, seems to me. I suppose I'm therefore not interested in 1mg every day, it'll have to be less.

I'd pay to see our avatars battle by the way. Or have a coffee for that matter.

 

[Kevlon]

Thanks a lot. Interesting info. Strange... it seems that .5mg is basically equally effective as 1mg. Also seems that taking it every other day is basically equally effective to every day. So I wonder why 1mg (or 1.25mg) every day is the recommended dose? Could be a lot less, seems to me. I suppose I'm therefore not interested in 1mg every day, it'll have to be less.

I'd pay to see our avatars battle by the way. Or have a coffee for that matter.

Well this question is easy to answer but you have to go back a little bit.
Just think of Merck as an profit making drug manufactor. They used to sell Propecia monthly supply for 50 USD wich is 600USD per year per person.
Imagine Merck would have suggested taking it every other day so that would easily mean half the profit.

And yeah 0,5mg is almost as effective as 1mg. Propecia was introduced as 1mg and also 0,2mg in Japan.
There is also a study about this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319158

 

[yetti]

Well this question is easy to answer but you have to go back a little bit.
Just think of Merck as an profit making drug manufactor. They used to sell Propecia monthly supply for 50 USD wich is 600USD per year per person.
Imagine Merck would have suggested taking it every other day so that would easily mean half the profit.

And yeah 0,5mg is almost as effective as 1mg. Propecia was introduced as 1mg and also 0,2mg in Japan.
There is also a study about this

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319158

Hm... is that what it says? It says:

At 48 weeks, 58%, 54%, and 6% of men in the finasteride 1 mg, finasteride 0.2 mg, and placebo groups, respectively, had improved based on assessments of global photographs. All efficacy endpoints were numerically superior for the 1 mg dose over the 0.2 mg dose at 48 weeks. Finasteride treatment was generally well tolerated. Finasteride 1 mg\day slows hair loss and improves hair growth in Japanese men with male pattern hair loss.


I read that to mean, while almost the same % of men in the 0.2mg group showed improvement, the improvement itself that was shown was more significant in the 1mg group? "All efficacy endpoints were numerically superior for the 1 mg dose". Would "all efficacy endpoints" not include "endpoints" like the amount of new hairs, thickness of hairs, etc?

 

[hellouser]

DHT levels take about 4-7 days to return to baseline levels. You could take finasteride once every 4 days instead, it should maintain your hair for a long time.

 

[Kevlon]

Hm... is that what it says? It says:

At 48 weeks, 58%, 54%, and 6% of men in the finasteride 1 mg, finasteride 0.2 mg, and placebo groups, respectively, had improved based on assessments of global photographs. All efficacy endpoints were numerically superior for the 1 mg dose over the 0.2 mg dose at 48 weeks. Finasteride treatment was generally well tolerated. Finasteride 1 mg\day slows hair loss and improves hair growth in Japanese men with male pattern hair loss.


I read that to mean, while almost the same % of men in the 0.2mg group showed improvement, the improvement itself that was shown was more significant in the 1mg group? "All efficacy endpoints were numerically superior for the 1 mg dose". Would "all efficacy endpoints" not include "endpoints" like the amount of new hairs, thickness of hairs, etc?

I just wanted to show that between 1mg and 0,2mg of finasteride is just 4% percentage point of difference wich i think is not that much compared to the dosage difference. People would assume that a drop of 0,6mg finasteride would have an huge effect on the outcome.

 

[g.i joey]

That warm feeling you get when you see hellouser post again <3

 

[yetti]

I can't really understand people that saying they lower the dosage (or the frequency) of finasteride in order to minimize side effects. As stated above, 0.25 = 0.5 = 1 mg of finasteride in terms of reducing the DHT levels ==> if all these dosages reduce the same percentage of DHT levels, then side effects have to be THE SAME.
The only logical reason to lower dosages, in my opinion, is economical. Using 0.5 mg finasteride daily instead of 1 mg finasteride daily = saving money.

But is it a fact that .25=1mg in terms of reducing the DHT? How about using .25 every 2 days as opposed to 1mg every day? Etc... at some level the DHT must be reduced less. Body weight also comes into the equation, so we cannot make absolute statements about this, no?

By this logic, every person taking more than .25mg of finasteride a day is wasting their money, period. Someone taking 1mg a day is wasting a ton of money, they should be spending 75% less, as the additional .75mg finasteride per day is having absolutely no effect. So its idiotic to take more than .25 a day. Doing so is throwing money in the garbage. True??

Also, is it a fact that the reduction in DHT is what causes the sides, full stop? There's nothing else about finasteride that can cause sides? So having more finasteride in your body, if it doesnt reduce DHT more, has no other effect, and this is an indisputable fact?