erectyle problem started again...

[Wuffer]

Waldo, you're saying how scared you are and how you're even afraid to ejaculate. Now you're posting on propeciahelp, doing research and basically going through the process of convincing yourself you have these problems when you don't even know this is what's going on.

Waldo, listen to me. Stop f*cking researching this, stop posting about it, stop talking yourself into believing this. Again, this is extremely unlikely to be happening to you right now. You are clearly experiencing significant stress right now, and it's very likely this is contributing to your current problems.

Leave these forums, don't even think about anything PFS related. Leave for a month or more. If you still feel you are having problems after that long, come back and seek advice.

You are getting WAY ahead of yourself at this point, and you're just going to make things a hundred times worse by worrying yourself to death.

 

[Prop]

i wish i could believe that. but this is EXACTLY how my dick behaved and felt while on finasteride. it is nowhere near what it was before taking finasteride. i never had these issues, no matter how stressed and depressed i was. never. there is absolutely zero chance that its not finasteride-related.

how did it strike you guys ? similir as in my case?

i understand ur concernings waldo

the "psychological protocol" to stay off forums can help, but if the sides r really persistent it's not a solution.

wait some months, only if sides do not subside u can get more in PFS protocols


you can read my story in my sign

 

[Mens Rea]

Waldo, you're saying how scared you are and how you're even afraid to ejaculate. Now you're posting on propeciahelp, doing research and basically going through the process of convincing yourself you have these problems when you don't even know this is what's going on.

Waldo, listen to me. Stop f*cking researching this, stop posting about it, stop talking yourself into believing this. Again, this is extremely unlikely to be happening to you right now. You are clearly experiencing significant stress right now, and it's very likely this is contributing to your current problems.

Leave these forums, don't even think about anything PFS related. Leave for a month or more. If you still feel you are having problems after that long, come back and seek advice.

You are getting WAY ahead of yourself at this point, and you're just going to make things a hundred times worse by worrying yourself to death.

and

[ i never had these issues, no matter how stressed and depressed i was. never. there is absolutely zero chance that its not finasteride-related.

We've all told him to relax already but stop telling him it's unlikely that it's any more than stress is absolute horseshit. The best thing he can do he exercise, stay off alcohol, take zinc etc. Proactive action, not be in denial like you infer. That way he can aggressively ensure his body has it's best chance of recovery. I wish i have my early months of PFS back again, it's a crucial window of opportunity.

Waldo, some guys take longer to get over the sides than others. Stop stressing about PFS, you simply have sides that haven't cleared up yet; it's early days and you've been given important advice on what to do. USE it.

Now go away and come back in a month to thank us.

 

[Wuffer]

Mens Rea, he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range, which includes guys being on for years. He said himself he's extremely anxious and stressed, yet you don't think this has anything to do with the problems he's experiencing. Why jump to the most unlikely cause (PFS) and blatantly ignore the fact that stress CAN and DOES contribute significantly to sexual health and function. You don't even acknowledge this as a possible contributing factor, and when I bring it up you call it horsesh*t?

You and I and everyone else that visits this thread knows how unlikely it is that he's suffering from PFS right now. He's actively convincing himself this is what's going on, and he needs to put a stop to doing that.

I never inferred denial; please don't put words into my mouth. I recommended he stop obsessing about PFS and worrying himself to death. Leaving the forums is a crucial step in doing this. I even said, if he feels he's still having problems after a few months to come back and seek more advice.

At this time right now, feeding the irrational fears in his mind is what's going to lead him down a dark path; PFS or not. Hell, he's even suggested he commit suicide already. When someone says that, you don't think there is a significant amount of fear and anxiety involved?

 

[Mens Rea]

Mens Rea, he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range, which includes guys being on for years. He said himself he's extremely anxious and stressed, yet you don't think this has anything to do with the problems he's experiencing. Why jump to the most unlikely cause (PFS) and blatantly ignore the fact that stress CAN and DOES contribute significantly to sexual health and function. You don't even acknowledge this as a possible contributing factor, and when I bring it up you call it horsesh*t?

PFS gets alot more likely when you actually have the symptoms post finasteride.

He said he's anxious mainly BECAUSE of the sides he got FROM finasteride.

He didn't read about the stuff UNTIL he came looking for it BECAUSE of his sides.

You continue to infer that finasteride is the "most unlikely cause". Waldo has already said he is completely certain otherwise. So maybe you see why i've felt the need to post what i did.

You and I and everyone else that visits this thread knows how unlikely it is that he's suffering from PFS right now. He's actively convincing himself this is what's going on, and he needs to put a stop to doing that.

PFS isn't some disease. It's just a name for what we label people with unresolved side effects from finasteride which is what Waldo has right now. That doesn't mean he can't make a swift recovery...

I never inferred denial; please don't put words into my mouth. I recommended he stop obsessing about PFS and worrying himself to death. Leaving the forums is a crucial step in doing this. I even said, if he feels he's still having problems after a few months to come back and seek more advice.

It's vital for him to use the advice myself and Enden have given him instead of just going away for a few months like you advoated. The problem he is having are PHYSICAL, stop trying to palm him off like most GP's do.

At this time right now, feeding the irrational fears in his mind is what's going to lead him down a dark path; PFS or not. Hell, he's even suggested he commit suicide already. When someone says that, you don't think there is a significant amount of fear and anxiety involved?

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Absolultely. But you seem to imply this is some spontaneous anxiety. You telling him to "relax" isn't going to address to true root cause which has caused him these problems. These sides are physical and he MUST recover his body. I'm very confident he will if he does what i told him. I'm not so confident one could recover from what YOU've told him.

Let me elaborate.

Alot of guys have been in this position. They've actively ignored it. They've continued to drink alot and masturbated excessively (sometimes to "test" themselves) which has induced crashes. It's absolutely vital that anyone in this position gives their body fulls PHYSICAL support to aid recovery.

Waldo, again, im not trying to stress you out man im just telling you to avoid drinking and excessive mastubation for a while. Don't be afraid of ejaculating a once or twice a week.

Let us know how you are, bro.

 

[Wuffer]

While I don't exactly agree with you, I appreciate you explaining your point. I thought you were questioning me just on the principal of questioning me. I've said my piece and i'll stay out of it.

 

[waldo]

i know i shouldnt panic like i am doing, but i know that this is not psychological. for a fact. im sure psychologically im making it worse but still this thing is physical. mens rea got the right idea.

i did experience EXACTLY what people on propeciahelp like to call the "crash" after a short period of no-sides and elevated horniness during wich i masturbated and had sex several times a day. the day after the ball ache came and with it the sides.

since then things havent got one bit better. i know how my dick is supposed to work, and it is not f*****g working at all. and not because i am freaking out.

i cant just ignore this and pretend it will go away eventually because i dont think that is what will happen. i drank an unhealthy amount of caffeine before crashing, and masturbated excessively wich seems to have been a cause of crash for many people. thats why i kept asking and asking if this experience (resolution of sides, and then sudden reappearance of sides) was a common pattern when quitting finasteride.

nobody gave me input on that and i have now concluded that its not. normally people quit the drug and even if it takes them a month for the sides to subside, eventually they go away and stay away.

if you get normal quickly, and then all of a sudden your balls hurt up to your stomach like somebody had kicked you in the balls and the sides come back, then its not just "sides that havent resolved yet and need more time"

then you are f*****g fucked and appearantly for life. so how could i remain calm? sry for my language i am very frustrated. im definitely going to have bloods done. i was so sure nothing bad would happen that i didnt have bloods done before going on finasteride. however from what i have read pfs-victims who have them done dont really benefit in any way.

besides lifting weights, doing daily cardio, eating well and healthy, taking 60mg of zinc every night, refraining from masturbation, alcohol and caffeine, what could be done to tilt my chances towards recovery?
im going to start doing that spinach diet thing but im sure if anything its just gonna slightly improve my condition.

f*****g finasteride ... f*****g doctor who claimed it was perfectly safe
f*** my life


thanks everyone for the support and input, take very good care of yourselves.

 

[Ende]

besides lifting weights, doing daily cardio, eating well and healthy, taking 60mg of zinc every night, refraining from masturbation, alcohol and caffeine, what could be done to tilt my chances towards recovery?
im going to start doing that spinach diet thing but im sure if anything its just gonna slightly improve my condition.

Get hold of some cabergoline, and use 0.25 mg twice a week for a couple of weeks to deplete the prolactin level. Estrogen increases prolactin, and when you have a problem with estrogen, you have a problem with prolactin as well. Depleting the prolactin level has no negative consequences. However, not doing so, may affect your libido negatively, and make it harder to keep erections for prolonged periods. It can be in range (most likely it is), but still give you a lot of problems. When you have an orgasm, prolactin gets released - and sex is the last thing on your mind then. Some people will probably not agree with me, but I would do this.

 

[Mens Rea]

Enden,

the only reason I don't agree is because I don't think reducing prolactin will either fix erectile difficulties, have a sustained effect or hit the root cause.

If there was one drug i would recommend it would be arimidex but ONLY after getting bloods proving you have elevated estrogen levels.

 

[Joe-1991]

Buy some royal jelly or get hold of some GHB.

 

[Ende]

IMO, excessive prolactin is a significant part of the problem, at least it was in my case. For anyone considering using Arimidex, I recommend microdoses. Crush and dissolve a 1 mg Arimidex tablet in 2 ml ethanol, and use 0.1 ml (50 mcg) a day, before bed. Stop treatment immediately, when you get solid morning erections.

 

[Prop]

he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range

wuffer
i'm seeing waldo, magid, johnatan that report PFS, and just in a couple of days
is hard time to convince people that sides r "in their heads" or 1 in 1000

 

[Mens Rea]

he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range

wuffer
i'm seeing waldo, magid, johnatan that report PFS, and just in a couple of days
is hard time to convince people that sides r "in their heads" or 1 in 1000

And setala.


Wuffer, i suggest you take a backseat here man. I know you're trying to help but we need to be practical with guys who are having clear physical problems. I recall when i first reported PFS, Enden was the only one of any practical use to me.

Most of us know our bodies. THere was no PFS placebo in the trials either so maybe you should consider that, too.

 

[Wuffer]

he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range

wuffer
i'm seeing waldo, magid, johnatan that report PFS, and just in a couple of days
is hard time to convince people that sides r "in their heads" or 1 in 1000

How does that change anything? I've seen the 1 in 1000 figure quoted by many of you guys on this forum, propeciahelp members, and I believe I even saw Mew say it as well. Why is it now wrong because I’m saying it?

We've got 5 new guys claiming PFS. There could easily be another 5000 guys we don't hear from that started on it with no problem. I continue to try to drill in my point that this forum (a sample of much less than 1% of worldwide finasteride users) does not represent an accurate sample, but that fact is continually lost.

Please don't misconstrue what I’ve said. Saying that a side effect is caused by your mind is a world of difference from your meaning of "It's in your head".

 

[Mens Rea]

he's been on finasteride for a month. The chance of getting PFS must be somewhere in the 1 in 1000 range

wuffer
i'm seeing waldo, magid, johnatan that report PFS, and just in a couple of days
is hard time to convince people that sides r "in their heads" or 1 in 1000

How does that change anything? I've seen the 1 in 1000 figure quoted by many of you guys on this forum, propeciahelp members, and I believe I even saw Mew say it as well. Why is it now wrong because I’m saying it?

We've got 5 new guys claiming PFS. There could easily be another 5000 guys we don't hear from that started on it with no problem. I continue to try to drill in my point that this forum (a sample of much less than 1% of worldwide finasteride users) does not represent an accurate sample, but that fact is continually lost.

Please don't misconstrue what I’ve said. Saying that a side effect is caused by your mind is a world of difference from your meaning of "It's in your head".

I think the point is, that when someone DOES actually come on and report problems that the 1 in a 1000 ratio bet is now off. Clearly it is. You've, numerous times told people, who are having the hallmark symptoms that is is "extremely unlikely to be finasteride". I'm assuming that's what he's been getting at.

 

[waldo]

good news from me guys, i seem to have made dramatic recoveries during the course of the last two days, in fact i would say im almost back at normal right now. even libido has spontaneously emerged from the dead. however i cant let my guard down just yet, the worst case scenario would be that im just experiencing another phase of elevated testosterone after wich the sudden drop follows. so i am still going to be very careful.

i cant tell what exactly caused this, there is several possibilites

- the zinc i got on straight away as you guys recommended, 60mg before bed time could have been beneficial. im going to keep taking those for atleast 1 more week.

- the 175g of spinach i ate yesterday are very unlikely to have had an effect that fast, im going to quit that, and if it really was the spinach i should see a clear difference tomorrow.

- exercise is very likely to have done its part, apart from lifting weights heavily every second day, i decided to run 20-30 minutes every evening.

- or maybe it was just a flashback of sides, and not a real-deal crash, that was part of my process of recovery regardless of the supplementation and exercise.

gonna keep you guys updated. thank you all so much for your support, you guys are awesome. wuffer definitely does have a point in my oppinion, i can only talk from my own experience (wich hopefully ends with this post lol) but the thing is many people disregard the impact the brain has on every organ of the body. when he said something among the lines of "its in your head" he didnt mean to say "your imagining things", he ment "its affecting you mentally aswell, and that is manifesting itself physically by increasing the severity of the sides possibly bringing up some aswell". correct me if i am wrong but that is how i understood his point of view. i remember a couple of days ago i sat there furiously trying to masturbate without being able to think of anything else than "im fucked for life"... you can imagine i wasnt very successful, and that threw me down further. i know i said that psyche never before really affected my ability to get it up, however i have never before in my life been convinced that i have castrated myself, so i really cant compare. i hope im expressing myself clearly, im not sure im always using the right terminology. apologies for the giant wall of text.

take care guys

 

[Ende]

Quit zinc immediately, when you have solid morning erections! 60 mg zinc a day is suppressive to your estrogen level, and if you drive the estrogen level too low, you'll get reduced libido, ED and several other problems as well!

 

[Mens Rea]

Awesome

Don't get complacent buddy, keep running !!

 

[Wuffer]

Great news man! Keep up with your working out, keep healthy both mentally and physically and I’m sure you will continue to do well.

You actually described my viewpoint very concisely, arguably better than I ever have! I’m happy that you understood where I was coming from and hope that it may have helped relieve some anxiety you were experiencing in the worst of it.

You described it very well. When you’re worrying so much about something like PFS after quitting finasteride, it’s next to impossible to get into the mood and perform during sex. You can sit there and bang away at it for hours, and it’s just not going to happen if you’re constantly feeling that kind of fear and anxiety. It doesn’t mean that anything is necessarily physically wrong with you; it’s just that you have that huge burden on your mind that acts as a mental block. Most guys have never experienced this type of mental block before (most young guys never have a reason to worry about their sexual function) so it’s often concluded to be a physical problem rather than mental.

This is really the reason I suggest that many guys who experience sexual side effects consider this. It’s extremely shortsighted to say that sexual problems while on finasteride could ONLY be caused by finasteride, and to ignore the hugely important and significant mental aspect at play. After all, libido and sexual function requires both mind and body to function normally. Like Waldo suggested, when your biggest fear at the time is to suffer from PFS, all it could take is one experience where you can’t ‘get it up’ to send you down the wrong path, into an episode of intense anxiety that further inhibits normal sexual function.

Again, I’m NOT saying this is always the case. But it’s not something that should ever be ignored, and I personally believe it is the most prevalent factor at play when dealing with these types of problems on finasteride. I believe physical issues can and do result from finasteride use, but again – it’s very rare.

As Waldo put it very well, I want to stress that I never infer that it’s “In your head†in the way that you’re imagining it, making it up, or made a conscious decision for these things to happen to you. It’s much more fundamental than that, and these types of problems usually exist on a subconscious level. Even though it ‘feels’ like the problems are completely physical, there can still be a very real psychological component involved.

Why do I continue to be so adamant? Because I went through the exact experience a month after starting finasteride. I’ve spoken with (cyber-counseled as it were) a number of other guys and helped them through it, and our friend Waldo experienced this to some degree.

 

[DIYtony]

Quit zinc immediately, when you have solid morning erections! 60 mg zinc a day is suppressive to your estrogen level, and if you drive the estrogen level too low, you'll get reduced libido, ED and several other problems as well!

evidence?