Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Ryuzaki hedeki]

You can remove your breasts so that there is no hint that you had them. But if you go bald, it's over and nothing will help you.

Yes I agree on that if you are over 3 norwood or aggressivly bald. But most people don't tell the difference between NW0- 2 especially when you get past your 30s,The majority are bald so having solid nw1.5 is a win.

 

[Almas_NW0]

Yes I agree on that if you are over 3 norwood or aggressivly bald. But most people don't tell the difference between NW0- 2 especially when you get past your 30s,The majority are bald so having solid nw1.5 is a win.

The problem is that if you started going bald at a young age, your baldness will not stop at Norwood 1.5. It will go to Norwood 3, 4, 5, 6 and very quickly. Or it may start right away with a bald spot on the back of your head. You can go to the gym, coping, but it's over. If you're going bald, forget about being attractive, now you're in the category of illiquid men.

 

[Almas_NW0]

If it weren't for HRT, I would already be completely bald down to the back of my head. With such appearance I would not have experienced so many pleasant moments in life... A lot of things become impossible when you're ugly.

 

[pentobean]

I completely disagree, personally I’d rather have gyno and a full head of hair and look like a femboy than be a bald unattractive guy. It sounds insane to the average person until you’ve started losing your hair really young, it completely destroys you mentally.

 

[1241241412]

after a few days on cypro my boobs bounce again my life is saved

 

[BRezende]

I completely disagree, personally I’d rather have gyno and a full head of hair and look like a femboy than be a bald unattractive guy. It sounds insane to the average person until you’ve started losing your hair really young, it completely destroys you mentally.

Me too i would personally choose the first option, but the point and the problem is HRT is not a guarantee of hair! You can have boobs and still go bald taking estrogen. Soo if you are a responder thats great, i feel really happy for you, but doesnt mean it will work for the majority of the users.

 

[Vamp]

Me too i would personally choose the first option, but the point and the problem is HRT is not a guarantee of hair! You can have boobs and still go bald taking estrogen. Soo if you are a responder thats great, i feel really happy for you, but doesnt mean it will work for the majority of the users.

But unless we try HRT we will never know.

 

[losingbattle88]

When I began to experiment with men's makeup, eyeliner and nail polish some people told me I was gay. Later I would meet models and people who worked in the entertainment industry and they complimented me on my look even suggesting that I should audition for soap opera!
The truth is most beautiful women prefer pretty boys who take care of themselves.
It's almost always unattractive people who think a pretty boy must be gay.

Thank god that im gay then. Put that makeup on and come to daddy.

 

[sg2000]

Me too i would personally choose the first option, but the point and the problem is HRT is not a guarantee of hair! You can have boobs and still go bald taking estrogen. Soo if you are a responder thats great, i feel really happy for you, but doesnt mean it will work for the majority of the users.

if you castrate yourself you will not lose hair due to Androgenetic Alopecia.Of course you are still prone to hairloss in general but youre saved from miniaturization

 

[Vamp]

if you castrate yourself you will not lose hair due to Androgenetic Alopecia.Of course you are still prone to hairloss in general but youre saved from miniaturization

How's HRT working out for you?

 

[Vamp]

Me too i would personally choose the first option, but the point and the problem is HRT is not a guarantee of hair! You can have boobs and still go bald taking estrogen. Soo if you are a responder thats great, i feel really happy for you, but doesnt mean it will work for the majority of the users.

For how long were you on HRT before quitting?

 

[BRezende]

if you castrate yourself you will not lose hair due to Androgenetic Alopecia.Of course you are still prone to hairloss in general but youre saved from miniaturization

only if you castrate yourself before your puberty. Bro theres dozens of people here who tried everything, including Lupro, physical castrastration and sh*t and guess what, they was still losing their hair. Hair loss isnt just about androgens levels

 

[BRezende]

For how long were you on HRT before quitting?

i started with bicalutamide 150 mg daily (really high dosage), developt gyno on this with 0 hair results, them moved on to 4 mg estradiol valerate every 5 days + bicalutamide 50mg daily for like 10 months without results

 

[Vamp]

i started with bicalutamide 150 mg daily (really high dosage), developt gyno on this with 0 hair results, them moved on to 4 mg estradiol valerate every 5 days + bicalutamide 50mg daily for like 10 months without results

Did you continue to lose hair on that regimen?
Also your Estradiol dose appears to be rather low. Did you consider increasing it to 2-4mg per day?

 

[sg2000]

only if you castrate yourself before your puberty. Bro theres dozens of people here who tried everything, including Lupro, physical castrastration and sh*t and guess what, they was still losing their hair. Hair loss isnt just about androgens levels

Effect of Castration in Adolescent and Young Adult Males Upon Further Changes in the Proportions of Bare and Hairy Scalp". James B. Hamilton. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, Volume 20, October, 1960. I'll give you the full abstract, and then some selections from the body of the article:

"A study of 21 adolescent and young adult males, before castration and for eight to eighteen years afterwards, showed that after orchiectomy there was no development of male pattern baldness (male pattern baldness) nor of any grossly recognizable denudation of the scalp. There was no expansion of bald areas in existence at the time of castration. At the end of the study the eunuchs, compared with intact males of similar age, exhibited a significantly lower incidence of male pattern baldness (P=.01) and had no further loss of coarse hairs in the pattern that in most males results in recession of the frontal hairline (P<.01). After castration, no increase in the number of coarse hairs was detected in bald or sparsely-haired areas of the frontal hairline. It is concluded that the remedial value of drastic reduction in androgenic stimulation is probably nil with regard to return of coarse hairs which have been lost along the frontal hairline in young men. In 3 men with baldness of the crown of the head at the time of orchiectomy, a limited increase in the number of coarse hairs occurred after the operation in 1 but not in the others. Further study is required to ascertain the potential for partial regrowth of coarse hairs in subjects with late-appearing forms of male pattern baldness involving the dorsum of the head."

And some selected passages from the body of the article:

"It was first necessary to establish that androgenic stimulation had been markedly and permanently reduced after orchiectomy. Studies of 15 of the eunuchs, including data obtained eight to eighteen years after castration, showed that androgenic stimulation had not only been markedly decreased but had remained so.
"The area of denudation did not increase after castration in any subject, regardless of the presence or absence of bald areas at the time of orchiectomy.
"Even the usual frontal and frontoparietal recessions of the hair line failed to appear in the 3 males who had been castrated at 15 or 16 years of age when they still had Type 1 scalp hair. Failure of hair-line recession to develop in these 3 males during the succeeding 16 to 17 years is noteworthy, since 94% of intact males would have acquired bare areas on at least the anterior scalp.
"The 14 males with small frontoparietal recessions at the time of orchiectomy did not acquire bare areas on the crown of the head or further extensions of frontal...recessions of the hairline.
"In the 3 subjects who had acquired male pattern baldness before orchiectomy no new nor expanded bare areas developed after castration.
"Regions of the scalp which are in the process of becoming bald, or are adjacent to bald areas, tend in intact males to be most susceptible to spread of baldness. The present observations clearly indicate that after castration such regions are no more prone to...male pattern baldness than are other portions of the scalp."

But the kicker is the failure of castration to regrow much, if any, hair:

"The failure to regenerate coarse hairs was as definite in subjects with slight recession as in those with more pronounced recession...
"The lack of regrowth of coarse hairs in areas of frontal and frontoparietal recession of the hairline could not be attributed to a prolonged interval between sexual maturation and castration, since the lack of regrowth was as absolute in subjects castrated at the age of 16 to 20 years as in those not operated upon until the age of 30 to 38 years.

And remember that of the three with balding in the crown, only one showed a little regrowth after many, many years.

"The present data are relevant to a previous report of 2 eunuchs who were bald when first seen by the author several years after their testes had been removed. In the years since the published photographs were taken, there has been no grossly recognizable addition to the number of coarse hairs. The period of time since castration is now 29 an 37 years, respectively.
"These studies of eunuchs indicate that, even in the absence of testicular secretions and of any detectable increase in androgens from extratesticular sources, regrowth of coarse hairs on the frontal hairline is nil if the hairs have been lost when the subject was young. Therefore in males who lose coarse hairs along the frontal hairline when young, anti-androgenic treatment probably has little remedial value.
"In contrast to the poor prognosis when male pattern baldness has been established in young men, prophylactic therapy might be rewarding. It now seems certain that castration entirely prevents development or extension of male pattern baldness."

 

[sg2000]

only if you castrate yourself before your puberty. Bro theres dozens of people here who tried everything, including Lupro, physical castrastration and sh*t and guess what, they was still losing their hair. Hair loss isnt just about androgens levels

if we are talking about Androgenetic Alopecia Without any other cause of hairloss or a different type of hairloss thats not androgenetic then youre saved from balding further

 

[losingbattle88]

Effect of Castration in Adolescent and Young Adult Males Upon Further Changes in the Proportions of Bare and Hairy Scalp". James B. Hamilton. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism, Volume 20, October, 1960. I'll give you the full abstract, and then some selections from the body of the article:

"A study of 21 adolescent and young adult males, before castration and for eight to eighteen years afterwards, showed that after orchiectomy there was no development of male pattern baldness (male pattern baldness) nor of any grossly recognizable denudation of the scalp. There was no expansion of bald areas in existence at the time of castration. At the end of the study the eunuchs, compared with intact males of similar age, exhibited a significantly lower incidence of male pattern baldness (P=.01) and had no further loss of coarse hairs in the pattern that in most males results in recession of the frontal hairline (P<.01). After castration, no increase in the number of coarse hairs was detected in bald or sparsely-haired areas of the frontal hairline. It is concluded that the remedial value of drastic reduction in androgenic stimulation is probably nil with regard to return of coarse hairs which have been lost along the frontal hairline in young men. In 3 men with baldness of the crown of the head at the time of orchiectomy, a limited increase in the number of coarse hairs occurred after the operation in 1 but not in the others. Further study is required to ascertain the potential for partial regrowth of coarse hairs in subjects with late-appearing forms of male pattern baldness involving the dorsum of the head."

And some selected passages from the body of the article:

"It was first necessary to establish that androgenic stimulation had been markedly and permanently reduced after orchiectomy. Studies of 15 of the eunuchs, including data obtained eight to eighteen years after castration, showed that androgenic stimulation had not only been markedly decreased but had remained so.
"The area of denudation did not increase after castration in any subject, regardless of the presence or absence of bald areas at the time of orchiectomy.
"Even the usual frontal and frontoparietal recessions of the hair line failed to appear in the 3 males who had been castrated at 15 or 16 years of age when they still had Type 1 scalp hair. Failure of hair-line recession to develop in these 3 males during the succeeding 16 to 17 years is noteworthy, since 94% of intact males would have acquired bare areas on at least the anterior scalp.
"The 14 males with small frontoparietal recessions at the time of orchiectomy did not acquire bare areas on the crown of the head or further extensions of frontal...recessions of the hairline.
"In the 3 subjects who had acquired male pattern baldness before orchiectomy no new nor expanded bare areas developed after castration.
"Regions of the scalp which are in the process of becoming bald, or are adjacent to bald areas, tend in intact males to be most susceptible to spread of baldness. The present observations clearly indicate that after castration such regions are no more prone to...male pattern baldness than are other portions of the scalp."

But the kicker is the failure of castration to regrow much, if any, hair:

"The failure to regenerate coarse hairs was as definite in subjects with slight recession as in those with more pronounced recession...
"The lack of regrowth of coarse hairs in areas of frontal and frontoparietal recession of the hairline could not be attributed to a prolonged interval between sexual maturation and castration, since the lack of regrowth was as absolute in subjects castrated at the age of 16 to 20 years as in those not operated upon until the age of 30 to 38 years.

And remember that of the three with balding in the crown, only one showed a little regrowth after many, many years.

"The present data are relevant to a previous report of 2 eunuchs who were bald when first seen by the author several years after their testes had been removed. In the years since the published photographs were taken, there has been no grossly recognizable addition to the number of coarse hairs. The period of time since castration is now 29 an 37 years, respectively.
"These studies of eunuchs indicate that, even in the absence of testicular secretions and of any detectable increase in androgens from extratesticular sources, regrowth of coarse hairs on the frontal hairline is nil if the hairs have been lost when the subject was young. Therefore in males who lose coarse hairs along the frontal hairline when young, anti-androgenic treatment probably has little remedial value.
"In contrast to the poor prognosis when male pattern baldness has been established in young men, prophylactic therapy might be rewarding. It now seems certain that castration entirely prevents development or extension of male pattern baldness."

Ok go ahead and cut your balls off. They are litteraly useless for you now anyways.

 

[Vamp]

Did you continue to lose hair on that regimen?
Also your Estradiol dose appears to be rather low. Did you consider increasing it to 2-4mg per day?

I have diffuse thinner as well, finasteride wipe out my hair and gave me oily and sebum production. After finasteride I started take 150MG of bicalutamide daily for 4 months. Never worked. After that I started with estrogel for 3 months then moved to injections, 4,8 MG of estradiol valerate every 4 days, took it probably for 5 months. 0 results.

I just realized that you injected every four days.
So no decrease in hair loss? Absolutely nothing positive?

 

[losingbattle88]

I just realized that you injected every four days.
So no decrease in hair loss? Absolutely nothing positive?

I just realized that you injected every four days.
So no decrease in hair loss? Absolutely nothing positive?

So u arent maintaining on finasteride+min? Sucks for you bald *** mother f****r. Remember not to breed EVER!!!

 

[BeardCombover]

Hello, guys. I'm a long-time ongoing reader of this thread. Nice to meet y'all!
At this moment, I'm very much in need of relaxin peptide. @BeardCombover, I remember you had it in your regimen window for some time. Are you still using it, and if so, is it maybe still possible to purchase it from somewhere, if you mind me asking? Thanks in advance!

Nope, a ran out of it like a year ago. Pretty sure it went out of stock in 2023, the Reasanz one at least. Wouldn't buy it anyways, my knees always hurt while taking it and I think it caused hypermobility in one of my hip joints... lol

Also, did any of you guys maybe tried MK-677 (while on HRT) as an IGF-1 booster for hair? If so, how did it effect your hair? Ty, would appreciate any answers.

Rised my blood sugar... lol