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Brenna

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What antiandrogen are you using? If it's spironolactone, it's well known to lower blood pressure which could possibly cause what you describe. I get woozy often from it.
 

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Shrinkage on HRT is something that comes with disuse, it does not inherently causes size reduction. Our libido is tempered somewhat and more of a "female" thing of circumstance and emotions and the right time. I give somewhere in the range of an 80~% probability that most people who claim that finasteride of all thing gives ED are suffering from psychosomatic symptoms rather than anything real.

It funny in a way.
It may be the reason but I came into a relationship just 3-4 weeks ago. Prior to that, I had been on finasteride+ AA for 6 odd months and mine didn't shrink then either.
 

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I don't know anything about his past. He was vegan?

Besides his money schemes I think there's a lot of sense to his theory.
There definitely is sense just like there was in his rationale for going vegan. Jk. I agree. The thing tho is these have been tried before on forums - Danny and Rob both need to do better surfing. They're genuine guys tho.

Danny has once said that spironolactone is a cure for hair loss. ( I guess in his video:the DHT myth.)
 

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What antiandrogen are you using? If it's spironolactone, it's well known to lower blood pressure which could possibly cause what you describe. I get woozy often from it.
I don’t take a consistent anti-androgen. I experience them from anything estrogenic, even avocados lol. I guess it’s..FUE or SMP until hair multiplication becomes mainstream.
 

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I don’t take a consistent anti-androgen. I experience them from anything estrogenic, even avocados lol. I guess it’s..FUE or SMP until hair multiplication becomes mainstream.

So, I'm not sure if this has been discussed before (it probably has, this thread is insane), but going on and off HRT is not at all a good thing. You are damaging your endorcrine system through inconsistency. This is similar to why repressors are told to actually transition or just keep repressing sometimes, due to the swings and unpleasant sides of getting on and off medications over and over.

I'll further say that by just being on a AA with no estrogen to replace T, you are dangerously f*****g up your body. You need a dominant hormone, be it T or E. The only guaranteed (and safe) method is to do full, real HRT more or less.
 

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To anyone that has experience with estrogen and the like. Theoretically, if I were to supplement estrogen (estrogel), what is the dose you assume I would start experiencing gyno or feminizing effects at?
 
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To anyone that has experience with estrogen and the like. Theoretically, if I were to supplement estrogen (estrogel), what is the dose you assume I would start experiencing gyno or feminizing effects at?
Depends on your genetics, age, etc. But I think the ratio of E to T matters likely more than one hormone individually. Suppressing T (with AA) and having only minor E supplementation (under 100pg/ml) is likely more feminizing than still having high T with even moderate E lvls.
 

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I don’t take a consistent anti-androgen. I experience them from anything estrogenic, even avocados lol. I guess it’s..FUE or SMP until hair multiplication becomes mainstream.
Depends on your genetics, age, etc. But I think the ratio of E to T matters likely more than one hormone individually. Suppressing T (with AA) and having only minor E supplementation (under 100pg/ml) is likely more feminizing than still having high T with even moderate E lvls.

Good point and exactly what I was thinking. What I really want to know is if you guys think there is any efficacy at all with simply topical estrogen, mild as it might be? Perhaps dermarolling could help quite a bit too.

Though, it seems like we would know if estrogen by itself was enough.
 

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HRT is lit, all my hair is legit, no minoxidil or stims, Im closing in on NW0, I was a diffusing NW6 and I'm not even 7 months in.View attachment 131924

If you simply quit your regimen, do you think your hair would take a while to fall out again, like the initial male pattern baldness? As in, do you think it is possible to revive your hair and let it go and revive it again?
 

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If you simply quit your regimen, do you think your hair would take a while to fall out again, like the initial male pattern baldness? As in, do you think it is possible to revive your hair and let it go and revive it again?
Dropping such a regimen would risk inducing telogen effluvian due to massive hormonal shifts similar to a woman after pregnancy. But in this case there's a decent chance the hairs would miniaturize in the process. So a pretty risky experiment to undertake. You might be able to slowly decrease dosage similar to wolfpac, but ceasing altogether at some point would probably make even starting pointless (unless your goal is to kick the can down the road for a time in hopes of another treatment).
 

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Estradiol truly is beautifying...
 

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But what you can lose with Tamoxifen is not as much as what you have gained with an extreme treatment right? I mean, something like "ok ... I lose a bit using Tamoxifen but I have gained a lot more during this process".
No one knows the amount of hair one can loose on tamoxifen.
 

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I would never, i was balding for 5 years and this is the only thing that works, you won't catch me without my HRT lol. ps don't f*** with your hormones like that ever. If you start HRT, stay on HRT and if you stop it don't go back. Basically make up your mind and stick with it. and like brenna said go on full HRT, if you love your hair enough and this is your last option you're going to do this, don't half *** it or be wishy washy about it.

Someone did get a full head of hair again just on dutasteride, oral minoxidil and spironolactone, he managed to drop the spironolactone and maintain with RU, he was probably just an excellent responder though. If you are using E i wouldn't stop it once you have started.

Btw how bad is your gyno right now ?
 

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You really see the feminizaton of his face.

He was feminine looking before, though. His feminine point is his eyes, otherwise he has just become attractive and beautified. You can’t even deny it, either...
 

Ikarus

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Yeah but he looks like a whimp.

Who cares, though? Not everyone wants to appear burly; in my opinion, the over-masculine appearance is abominable.


If you look at this Dior campaign, the male model would be classified as a ‘whimp’ too, since he appears more feminine and neotenic. However, he is booking these opportunities whilst masculine men are struggling.
 
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