Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Sonolmn98]

Previously, I had this weird mindset of: ‘I’m not like other men, my hair will grow back It’s most likely just telogen effluvium’. But months passed and it got worse You can see some of my original threads which I’m so embarrassed about, and I can’t even delete them I wish I just accepted the reality and began treatments earlier...

for me, i thought herbs and nofap gonna save me but i was in denial and it kept getting worse and worse until I joined the eunuchs archive and then......ouch ouch.......snip snip, stitch stitch and I am a new person

 

[Aki]

I don't care about libido and sex drive like a lot of finasteride users are. but my biggest fear of starting an estrogenic regimen is getting a blood clot/pulmonary embolism. being on estrogen is like having a gun to you're head because of the constant fear of having a blood clot and that you will have to move around to avoid it. for someone like me who likes to write, read etc it doesn't seem worth it. doing this is more ideal for someone who likes to travel, be around people, or spend time doing sports/active hobbies. but then i still want to keep my hair, having long hair has always been part of my identity and having to let that go has been difficult, but even worse that i have to accept an ugly version of myself. some people argue that hair loss isn't that bad, but i struggle with depression, low bone density, having hair loss ruins my confidence and my will to recover from my other health issues.

 

[Sonolmn98]

it took me 2.5 years to find it, i found it last year, but didn't decide that i would do this until this week after i knew for certain that nothing was happening using the big 3. I hope we all reach NW0 soon, so that we can move on from the hair loss forums and be free.

after reaching nw0 which is very soon for me, I am gonna leave GourmetStyleWellness and join menwithgyno.com or I might just breastfeed in an orphanage

 

[Sonolmn98]

I don't care about libido and sex drive like a lot of finasteride users are. but my biggest fear of starting an estrogenic regimen is getting a blood clot/pulmonary embolism. being on estrogen is like having a gun to you're head because of the constant fear of having a blood clot and that you will have to move around to avoid it. for someone like me who likes to write, read etc it doesn't seem worth it. doing this is more ideal for someone who likes to travel, be around people, or spend time doing sports/active hobbies. but then i still want to keep my hair, having long hair has always been part of my identity and having to let that go has been difficult, but even worse that i have to accept an ugly version of myself. some people argue that hair loss isn't that bad, but i struggle with depression, low bone density, having hair loss ruins my confidence and my will to recover from my other health issues.

just hit the gym or find an aerobic sport that you enjoy, eat fruits and hydrate, the chance of blood clot is slim, especially on a lower dosage

 

[Aki]

just hit the gym or find an aerobic sport that you enjoy, eat fruits and hydrate, the chance of blood clot is slim, especially on a lower dosage

are you sure though, blood clotting increase with age and becomes increasingly more difficult to avoid. i live a healthy lifestyle by eating the vegetables, fruit, staying hydrated but i dont know if this is enough to avoid blood clotting. also if you're on a low dosage then you will be getting less bone rebuilding. like if you're on a dosage thats lower then the testosterone that a man has according to his age then you're only increasing you're chances. after all half of men in their sixties/seventies start developing osteoporosis. while i certainly could have an aerobic hobby like tennis or running i couldn't do it 24/7, there would be way more periods when im being inactive and bloods begins to clot.

 

[Ikarus]

Would it be possible to use estrogen until significant amounts of hair regrows, and then maintaining with an AA such as flutamide/bicalutamide...? I have always wondered this.

 

[Sonolmn98]

Would it be possible to use estrogen until significant amounts of hair regrows, and then maintaining with an AA such as flutamide/bicalutamide...? I have always wondered this.

your bones will suffer and you will get hot flashes and mental fog.....not fun i tried that

 

[Sonolmn98]

I wonder aslo, seeing as we are regrowing our hair naturally (with hormones instead of stimulants) & comparing this idea to the study done on castrated people (once they were castrated, all progression of hair loss was halted, but no regrowth occurred). with that knowledge, we should theoretically be able to maintain our newly grown hair by maintaining our castration levels of T alone.

i am a living prove, after my surgery (orchiectomy) i went 6 months without estrogen or testosterone, and my hairloss froze, no further loss but I did see some minor regrowth, but nothing significant, but once i added estrogen, my hair shed for a while but now the regrowth is crazy on 4 months of estrogen, i feel miserable without estrogen, the symptoms were very hard to deal with

 

[Aki]

Blood Clotting surly is a big concern when taking estrogen, i read that taking E the transdermal route will greatly reduce the chance of blood clots, having to accept an ugly version of yourself is really hard and it can even prevent you from going outside or talking to other people.

i could be wrong but i think injection is the safest route

I wonder aslo, seeing as we are regrowing our hair naturally (with hormones instead of stimulants) & comparing this idea to the study done on castrated people (once they were castrated, all progression of hair loss was halted, but no regrowth occurred). with that knowledge, we should theoretically be able to maintain our newly grown hair by maintaining our castration levels of T alone.

hormones are essential for maintaining bone density which is why in this day and age becoming a eunuch is a terrible idea. this is especially true for for the majority of the people on this thread who are still in their early twenties and are able to gain bone mass rather than just maintain it. (its difficult to gain bone mass after age 25 as hormones eat you're body breaks down you're bone faster than it does rebuild it.) eunuchs of the past such as alexander the great's servant may have have been young, beautiful, and feminine. but there lifespan of retaining this beauty would have been short before succumbing to osteoporosis.

 

[itchymadscalp]

i am a living prove, after my surgery (orchiectomy) i went 6 months without estrogen or testosterone, and my hairloss froze, no further loss but I did see some minor regrowth, but nothing significant, but once i added estrogen, my hair shed for a while but now the regrowth is crazy on 4 months of estrogen, i feel miserable without estrogen, the symptoms were very hard to deal with

10 years ago when I was under Cypro and after that Lupron, without Estradiol ... I didn't experience hot flash or lack of energy.
And had a lot of regrowth.
That's weird.

 

[Ikarus]

my biggest concern for myself is, after HRT begins to revive my hair, i wonder if i can drop minoxidil, i use it once a day, but i don't think the minoxidil dependency is a real thing unless you are only using minoxidil to grow your hair.

You should take the risk and drop topical minoxidil eventually. In all honesty, I don’t think it will be too bad... I don’t believe minoxidil dependancy occurs if you use HRT mainly because the follicles remain open. Unless stopping minoxidil does something else?

 

[mryellowman]

my biggest concern for myself is, after HRT begins to revive my hair, i wonder if i can drop minoxidil, i use it once a day, but i don't think the minoxidil dependency is a real thing unless you are only using minoxidil to grow your hair. with oral minoxidil... does the estrogen counter the body hair grown by it ?

i dropped it after 1 year of usage and nothing happened

 

[mryellowman]

That's reassuring

I wouldn't talk about oral minoxidil but topical did nothing for me so quitting it had no effect on my hair even tho i was applying very high dose.

 

[LastHope123]

I don't care about libido and sex drive like a lot of finasteride users are. but my biggest fear of starting an estrogenic regimen is getting a blood clot/pulmonary embolism. being on estrogen is like having a gun to you're head because of the constant fear of having a blood clot and that you will have to move around to avoid it. for someone like me who likes to write, read etc it doesn't seem worth it. doing this is more ideal for someone who likes to travel, be around people, or spend time doing sports/active hobbies. but then i still want to keep my hair, having long hair has always been part of my identity and having to let that go has been difficult, but even worse that i have to accept an ugly version of myself. some people argue that hair loss isn't that bad, but i struggle with depression, low bone density, having hair loss ruins my confidence and my will to recover from my other health issues.

I have zero experience with these regimens myself, but I have read that a d-dimer test can tell early signs that your blood has potential blod clots being present and degraded into smaller proteins. You can test it by doing a blood test, but it has to be specified and is not usually a part of a normal blood test. Certain types of estrogen has higher risks of blood clots such as estrone (metabolite of estradiol) and ethinylestradiol. Estrone can be stored as deposits in fat, so maybe it can be reduced by loosing fat (but thats just a wild guess). Estradiol itself is like a fifty-fifty good and bad mix, but the estrone is probably the culprit that makes it bad.

I think keeping the hematocrit low is probably a good thing also if you are worried about blood clots. Hematocrit is the percentage of red blood cells, so the higher, the less viscous and thicker the blood is. Keep yourself hydrated all the time and avoid things that may dehydrate you (like alcohol and caffeine), and avoiding food and supplements with high iron content. Reducing testosterone will most likely reduce hematocrit further because of less erythropoietin being released in the bone marrow

In the end I think dosage is the key. The more you use, the higher risk, which goes for everything in life in general. Stick to the lowest dosage possible for a reasonable effect is probably the best. And doing blood tests once in a while, which you should do anyway even if not doing any regimen.

Anyway, insane hair regrowth on thread starter. I doubt I will ever consider estradiol or any testosterone reducing regimen myself, since testosterone crucial for keeping my masculinity and physical performance. I'm just trying to delay my hair loss for 10-20 years and then just man up and let nature do it's thing. Mostly to keep me in the "game". Going completely bald will probably reduce my chances of getting girls, but turning into a borderline female will probably almost guarantee a lonely life for a heterosexual male like me.

When I read this thread, I start to wonder, you guys will keep taking AA's and estrogen for the rest of your lives? Cause stopping estrogen will probably make you loose the gains very quickly, right?

 

[Erensar]

@bridgeburn

Where do you get your dexamethasone from?

Do you use it orally or topically and how much?

 

[Ikarus]

When I read this thread, I start to wonder, you guys will keep taking AA's and estrogen for the rest of your lives? Cause stopping estrogen will probably make you loose the gains very quickly, right?

I will most likely take anti-androgens and estrogen for the rest of my life, which will most likely be until my 50s knowing my family history of early deaths. I don't think stopping estrogen would lead to losing hair, you could maintain on anti-androgens alone. However that will lead to hot flushes, osteoporosis and other issues caused by a lack of hormone.

 

[bridgeburn]

Actually there is a theory that balding is linked to heart disease and possibly that could be a big reason spironolactone works so well since it's used to treat /heart failure aswell. It's possible, but the heart must play a role in hairloss too. It's said that thinning hair is an early sign of pre heart disease.

Androgens are also linked to heart disease.
Men get heart disease about 10 years earlier than women. Athletes who abuse androgenic steriods have a sharply increased risk of high blood pressure, heart attack, and stroke. One study found the testosterone to estradiol ratio to be nearly twice higher in men with coronary heart disease compared with age matched controls.

 

[bridgeburn]

Maybe we can avoid osteoporosis by taking breaks from our altered state of hormones, allowing bones to recover a little before ending the break, im not sure how hair would be affected by this but, after we reach NW0 and then start taking breaks, it could solve the issue of possible osteoporosis. i don't know if its a good or bad idea, but it's an idea.

we don't need to take a break if we are taking estrogen. In that case taking a break would actually make bone density worse

 

[bridgeburn]

Certain types of estrogen has higher risks of blood clots such as estrone (metabolite of estradiol) and ethinylestradiol. Estrone can be stored as deposits in fat, so maybe it can be reduced by loosing fat (but thats just a wild guess).

its true that most who get blood clots are obese or smokers

 

[bridgeburn]

@bridgeburn

Where do you get your dexamethasone from?

Do you use it orally or topically and how much?

https://osakado-smp.org/

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