Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Jonny Craig]

T is important for erections, but so is E... it's actually very important.

High T, low E will yield must worse erections than medium T, medium E.

 

[Sonolmn98]

just

How old are you now?

i just turned 21 few days ago, i started calcium chloride and hydrogen peroxide injections early when i was 18 and a half, and i had the surgery at 19, but i didnt start estrogen until Jan of this year, i regret not starting estrogen replacement therapy earlier after my castration because the side effect of castration were hard to handle but not harder than having high T so i survived the hot flashes and fatigue but estrogen changed everything, i f*****g love this stuff, it returned my energy and elevated the side effect instantly, i cant imagine living without it now, since my body became dependent on it, the hour i skip my pill i feel like sh*t, and whenever i go below 4mg the side effects return so i might need 8mg or 9mg to optimize my health and performance

 

[Sonolmn98]

T is important for erections, but so is E... it's actually very important.

High T, low E will yield must worse erections than medium T, medium E.

agree! my erections got better after starting estrogen and my sex drive improved compared to no T and no E, sex with E is much better and more enjoyable compared to T alone, at least i can last longer in bed and the orgasm are more intense and spread throughout the whole body , but sex with high T is quick and will leave me unsatisfied and addicted plus the orgasm were only focused on the groin area and it only last few seconds

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

just

i just turned 21 few days ago, i started calcium chloride and hydrogen peroxide injections early when i was 18 and a half, and i had the surgery at 19, but i didnt start estrogen until Jan of this year, i regret not starting estrogen replacement therapy earlier after my castration because the side effect of castration were hard to handle but not harder than having high T so i survived the hot flashes and fatigue but estrogen changed everything, i f*****g love this stuff, it returned my energy and elevated the side effect instantly, i cant imagine living without it now, since my body became dependent on it, the hour i skip my pill i feel like sh*t, and whenever i go below 4mg the side effects return so i might need 8mg or 9mg to optimize my health and performance

Out of curiosity have you had your hormone levels checked since being on E?

 

[Ikarus]

just

i just turned 21 few days ago, i started calcium chloride and hydrogen peroxide injections early when i was 18 and a half, and i had the surgery at 19, but i didnt start estrogen until Jan of this year, i regret not starting estrogen replacement therapy earlier after my castration because the side effect of castration were hard to handle but not harder than having high T so i survived the hot flashes and fatigue but estrogen changed everything, i f*****g love this stuff, it returned my energy and elevated the side effect instantly, i cant imagine living without it now, since my body became dependent on it, the hour i skip my pill i feel like sh*t, and whenever i go below 4mg the side effects return so i might need 8mg or 9mg to optimize my health and performance

Do you use progesterone?

I greatly enjoy the effects of estrogen too. I don’t mind the gynecomastia; the benefits are outweighing the negatives in my situation. Since using estrogen, I have been feeling happier about my appearance. I started my regimen just before I turned 19...

 

[Sonolmn98]

Out of curiosity have you had your hormone levels checked since being on E?

yes several times actually, my T was 9ng/dl normal range (300-1000) after my orchiectomy my E was 25pg/ml , E was still low and T was extremely low,
after starting on 2mg of oral E2 my estrogen increased to 130pg/ml but i still had hot flashes which is weird so i upped the dose to 4mg but didnt feel better so now i just take 6mg, i also started to take the pills sublingualy for better absorption, it didnt seem to work properly when i just swallow it down, i feel my best on 6 mg iam not sure about the lab number, but i dnt wanna go more than 300pg/ml, i will have my bloodwork soon and if the reading was higher than 300 iam gonna go back to 4mg just to be safe from blood clots

 

[Sonolmn98]

Do you use progesterone?

I greatly enjoy the effects of estrogen too. I don’t mind the gynecomastia; the benefits are outweighing the negatives in my situation. Since using estrogen, I have been feeling happier about my appearance. I started my regimen just before I turned 19...

my next appointmen is 1 month ahead, and iam definetly gonna start to cycle progesterone, it improves sleep quality and mood,i will discuss it with my endocrinologist he suggested it before but i was an idiot and thought it was bad for hair, but now reading about it , i think it gonna help me with mood, sleep and hair so it wont hurt to add it

 

[Sonolmn98]

I still have all this cypro.. should i start cycling it like progesterone? Its a synthetic progestin. Or should i just get regular progesterone

it wont hurt, but the regular progesterone is safier

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Proluton Depot 500mg/2ml (Hydroxyprogesterone)

is this what bridgeburn is on?

not sure, but he mentioned that he cycle 100mg 10 days a month, sounds safer than synthetic cpa, you might need to give it a try but iam not sure which one to use

 

[bridgeburn]

Hair systems look great now and you won't have to deal with taking medications for the rest of your life.

I can't enjoy an illusion if I know that it is one

but the psychology of it would always feel like I was faking an appearance.

That's exactly what you would be doing

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

yes several times actually, my T was 9ng/dl normal range (300-1000) after my orchiectomy my E was 25pg/ml , E was still low and T was extremely low,
after starting on 2mg of oral E2 my estrogen increased to 130pg/ml but i still had hot flashes which is weird so i upped the dose to 4mg but didnt feel better so now i just take 6mg, i also started to take the pills sublingualy for better absorption, it didnt seem to work properly when i just swallow it down, i feel my best on 6 mg iam not sure about the lab number, but i dnt wanna go more than 300pg/ml, i will have my bloodwork soon and if the reading was higher than 300 iam gonna go back to 4mg just to be safe from blood clots

I originally was taking sublingual pills for the first 6 months I was on E. I had also worked up to 6mg/day for the latter 3 months. While everything started out great (clearer skin, hair growth, etc), I started to have some autoimmune issues. After visiting a specialist, I was diagnosed with limited scleroderma and prescribed methotrexate, a heavy duty chemotherapy drug with hairloss as a common side effect. Definitely not something I wanted to have to take long term. Also I knew the diagnosis was too much of a coincidence to not have something do to with my hrt regimen.

I found some studies that linked estrone to autoimmune problems. I also read a lot of documentation of HRT methods by Dr. Powers (an endocrinologist who is considered almost a modern medical pioneer on trans reddits). Anyway, he cited that about a third of his patients on sublingual pills had problems with massively elevated estrone levels, which was solved by switching to injections. So I had my estrone levels checked and sure enough they were about a 10/1 ratio vs my estradiol levels (1300pm/ml vs 130pg/ml), when realistically they should about a 1:1 ratio.

Switching to injections completely solved the problem with my abnormal levels and, I believe, the scleroderma issue since I haven't seen any progression despite getting off methotrexate (which had destroyed much of my initial hair growth).

Anyway, for anyone not getting any progress on pills, I suggest checking your estrone levels as well since that can impede the effectiveness that estradiol has for hair.

 

[Sonolmn98]

lions go bald when they are castrated, poor lion no balls and no hair

I originally was taking sublingual pills for the first 6 months I was on E. I had also worked up to 6mg/day for the latter 3 months. While everything started out great (clearer skin, hair growth, etc), I started to have some autoimmune issues. After visiting a specialist, I was diagnosed with limited scleroderma and prescribed methotrexate, a heavy duty chemotherapy drug with hairloss as a common side effect. Definitely not something I wanted to have to take long term. Also I knew the diagnosis was too much of a coincidence to not have something do to with my hrt regimen.

I found some studies that linked estrone to autoimmune problems. I also read a lot of documentation of HRT methods by Dr. Powers (an endocrinologist who is considered almost a modern medical pioneer on trans reddits). Anyway, he cited that about a third of his patients on sublingual pills had problems with massively elevated estrone levels, which was solved by switching to injections. So I had my estrone levels checked and sure enough they were about a 10/1 ratio vs my estradiol levels (1300pm/ml vs 130pg/ml), when realistically they should about a 1:1 ratio.

Switching to injections completely solved the problem with my abnormal levels and, I believe, the scleroderma issue since I haven't seen any progression despite getting off methotrexate (which had destroyed much of my initial hair growth).

Anyway, for anyone not getting any progress on pills, I suggest checking your estrone levels as well since that can impede the effectiveness that estradiol has for hair.

thank you, that was helpful, iam thinking of switching to injections, or iam actually considering a pellet therapy (chip implantation that produce estrogen for long term use) because taking a pill every 6 hours is a chore, so it is something to consider for the long run, pellet therapy works better than injections since you only need to change it every 4 months where injection must be done bi-weekly, and iam sure it is healthier on the body, since pills are correlated with high estrone levels

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

lions go bald when they are castrated, poor lion no balls and no hair

Very interesting. He didn't lose his hair overall, just his mane. So now he looks more like a female lion. Essentially his "beard" fell out.

 

[Sonolmn98]

Very interesting. He didn't lose his hair overall, just his mane. So now he looks more like a female lion. Essentially his "beard" fell out.

yeh it is easier to lose something than to regrow, castration in humans wont regrow much but he seems happier lol

 

[Obsessive]

I originally was taking sublingual pills for the first 6 months I was on E. I had also worked up to 6mg/day for the latter 3 months. While everything started out great (clearer skin, hair growth, etc), I started to have some autoimmune issues. After visiting a specialist, I was diagnosed with limited scleroderma and prescribed methotrexate, a heavy duty chemotherapy drug with hairloss as a common side effect. Definitely not something I wanted to have to take long term. Also I knew the diagnosis was too much of a coincidence to not have something do to with my hrt regimen.

I found some studies that linked estrone to autoimmune problems. I also read a lot of documentation of HRT methods by Dr. Powers (an endocrinologist who is considered almost a modern medical pioneer on trans reddits). Anyway, he cited that about a third of his patients on sublingual pills had problems with massively elevated estrone levels, which was solved by switching to injections. So I had my estrone levels checked and sure enough they were about a 10/1 ratio vs my estradiol levels (1300pm/ml vs 130pg/ml), when realistically they should about a 1:1 ratio.

Switching to injections completely solved the problem with my abnormal levels and, I believe, the scleroderma issue since I haven't seen any progression despite getting off methotrexate (which had destroyed much of my initial hair growth).

Anyway, for anyone not getting any progress on pills, I suggest checking your estrone levels as well since that can impede the effectiveness that estradiol has for hair.

So glad I read this post...I was using E2 transdermally (Estrogel) and have been totally confused about as to why my estrone sulfate is sky high (~330) while E2 is normal (~35) WTF?? I stopped E2 about 10 days ago.

 

[Yar]

I still have all this cypro.. should i start cycling it like progesterone? Its a synthetic progestin. Or should i just get regular progesterone

cpa in triple is stronger in the antigonadotropic effect, progesterone is weaker. And this is the same thing.

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

cpa in triple is stronger in the antigonadotropic effect, progesterone is weaker. And this is the same thing.

You have to take 12.5 mg CPA at least. 5+5=10 mg is too small dose. What is your Norwood?

 

[Yar]

You have to take 12.5 mg CPA at least. 5+5=10 mg is too small dose. What is your Norwood?

I'm on 25 CPA + 4 estradiol

 

[Yar]

You have to take 12.5 mg CPA at least. 5+5=10 mg is too small dose. What is your Norwood?

Norwood 1-2

 

[Yar]

finasteride raises testosterone, inhibits dht. And if you use estradiol combined with finasteride, will finasteride increase testosterone? Or will testosterone increase regardless of the amount of estradiol in the blood

 

[hahahamyhairisdead]

finasteride raises testosterone, inhibits dht. And if you use estradiol combined with finasteride, will finasteride increase testosterone? Or will testosterone increase regardless of the amount of estradiol in the blood

Finasteride increases test because you decrease dht. Your body trying to compensate it. Your testosterone will be destroyed by CPA anyway and finasteride won't do anything with it.