Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Peace]

Hey guys, I just signed up to post this and hopefully receive some advice. I really appreciate what is happening in this thread regarding experimental regimens and it sucks to see how much hate you are all receiving. It should be obvious that a lot of these things could be harmful to you as a male and that you should do your own research, but it's communities like these that can help pave the way for an actual cure and a universally applicable treatment so I appreciate it.

I used steroids for awhile and lost some hair on the sides of my hairline. I would say im NW2-Nw2.5. I am currently using Dutasteride once a week and Finasteride every day. My testosterone levels are pretty low (80ng/dl) due to coming off cycle but those will eventually rebound (which i'm not scared of, my levels have always been naturally low as a male). What I am basically looking for is something I can add to my stack that will improve skin and hair but won't compromise my normal male reproductive stuff. I've always had naturally low test levels (around 330ng/dl) and had great skin and hair, but obviously once I get on steroids my hair deteriorated and my skin quality plummeted. Now that i've been off for a couple months my skin quality has increased and my hair a little bit, but I still want a tiny bit more feminization if possible without f*****g up my male reproductive organs lmao. Any advice?

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I still want a tiny bit more feminization if possible without f*****g up my male reproductive organs lmao. Any advice?

Unfortunately any drug that has feminizing effects potentially carries the risk of fertility issues. AAs like bica or spironolactone may be temporary and only while taking them, but if being able to remain fertile to have kids, etc is a concern then you might not want to risk it. Or if you do decide to, consider freezing some sperm.

 

[Peace]

Unfortunately any drug that has feminizing effects potentially carries the risk of fertility issues. AAs like bica or spironolactone may be temporary and only while taking them, but if being able to remain fertile to have kids, etc is a concern then you might not want to risk it. Or if you do decide to, consider freezing some sperm.

So due to my past I did a lot of research on steroid induced hypogonadism/infertility and in one study I found that 100% of the men taking exogenous testosterone did recover fertility pretty fast naturally, and almost immediately with HCG, and those that did not opt for HCG and did not recover fast still recovered after about 6-12 months. I have not researched the effects exogenous estrogen would have but do not know why it would be any different. All this being said, I still knocked up a girl while on many steroids lmao but fertility is not a huge concern to me right now and I am sure that I could regain it with meds if I wanted.

Also, I would not be taking some of these feminizing drugs forever, just for a short period of time to get back to my youthful baseline and them I'm hoping that my low natural test levels + finasteride/dutasteride would be enough to sustain as hair loss is not all that prevalent in my family and my specific case is not all that dire. I was almost NW3 but recovered to NW2 with good density. I'm just curious what the best drug to take would be. Just from my initial research on here its looking like spironolactone could be it as i've seen another post here with a bodybuilder who had success with it.

 

[DinkyDino]

How come these drugs work when dutasteride did not? I thought DHT was the primary cause of hairloss? Does that mean testosterone can also cause it on it's own?

 

[Peace]

How come these drugs work when dutasteride did not? I thought DHT was the primary cause of hairloss? Does that mean testosterone can also cause it on it's own?

Testosterone still has a binding affinity for the AR (albeit weaker than DHT) but there is usually way more testosterone in the body than there is DHT so in short yes testosterone can cause hair loss and other androgenic side effects such as oily skin and enlarged pores. So when people take dutasteride their DHT is pretty much 0 but testosterone levels usually increase to make up for the lack of DHT which then can cause even more androgenic side effects.

 

[Yar]

How come these drugs work when dutasteride did not? I thought DHT was the primary cause of hairloss? Does that mean testosterone can also cause it on it's own?

Yes

 

[recedingyt]

@bridgeburn and @Itsnoahkennedy

Have you all had any issues with the frontal area, particularly the temples and/or the little island in the center most people develop after their temples recede not growing past a certain length? Mine seems to only want to grow a few inches, and the temples even less so. I'm seeing some progress after altering my own protocol but I am just curious if you all have run into this issue and what you did to solve it, if you did. Thanks.

Dunno if y'all are actually trans or just joking in your last few posts, I am sorry to say I could not find the time to go through 400 pages+ to find out lol but if you are hit me up if y'all ever wanna do a video for YouTube or something... I'm launching a channel here soon that's meant to be like trans girl teaches other trans girls makeup sort of thing but I also plan on talking about hair and skin care stuff etc etc so your input may be welcomed

 

[Guido]

@recedingyt
you look beautiful

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

@bridgeburn and @Itsnoahkennedy

Have you all had any issues with the frontal area, particularly the temples and/or the little island in the center most people develop after their temples recede not growing past a certain length? Mine seems to only want to grow a few inches, and the temples even less so.

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One of my temples thickened up a ton, the other much less so (but still slightly). But even so, the hairs like you mentioned have been somewhat stuck at a few inches of length.

 

[recedingyt]

One of my temples thickened up a ton, the other much less so (but still slightly). But even so, the hairs like you mentioned have been somewhat stuck at a few inches of length.

Same, my right temple is like actually really cosmetically significantly filled in down to NW1/0.5 even. The left is filled in as well, but not nearly as much or as dark. If I had very short hair, it would just look like a normal hairline tbh, maybe a little uneven but that's it. I just wish it'd grow, even if it wasn't natural density it would help so I could use long hair styles more effectively with my real hair.

Literally have a pair of clip in bangs in the mail atm seeing if that will look natural because wigs are annoying to wear daily

Yeah, before i even had noticeable hair loss my temples stopped growing past 1 inch when i was 16 years old and they never grew longer than 1 inch ever again.

sh*t. Okay, thank you for the input

 

[bridgeburn]

@bridgeburn and @Itsnoahkennedy

Have you all had any issues with the frontal area, particularly the temples and/or the little island in the center most people develop after their temples recede not growing past a certain length? Mine seems to only want to grow a few inches, and the temples even less so. I'm seeing some progress after altering my own protocol but I am just curious if you all have run into this issue and what you did to solve it, if you did. Thanks.

Dunno if y'all are actually trans or just joking in your last few posts, I am sorry to say I could not find the time to go through 400 pages+ to find out lol but if you are hit me up if y'all ever wanna do a video for YouTube or something... I'm launching a channel here soon that's meant to be like trans girl teaches other trans girls makeup sort of thing but I also plan on talking about hair and skin care stuff etc etc so your input may be welcomed

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My temples used to be slick bald skin dessert, now its covered in tiny hairs. Over time the improvement has closed in toward the stubborn center, gone kinda from this shape: ) to >

After a certain point, all the easy and medium difficulty hairs is recovered and only stubborn hairs remain. Then further improvement became painfully slow, my thin temple hairs grew about 1/4 of an inch this past year lol. Lately, It seems to be improving more again since I've recently switched to bica. So, I wonder if any slight receptor upregulation combined with the weak partial agonist activity of cypro and spironolactone possibly could cause a plateu in results for most?? I've been on HRT for 2 years btw.

 

[DHTcel]

My temples used to be slick bald skin dessert, now its covered in tiny hairs. Over time the improvement has closed in toward the stubborn center, gone kinda from this shape: ) to >

After a certain point, all the easy and medium difficulty hairs is recovered and only stubborn hairs remain. Then further improvement became painfully slow, my thin temple hairs grew about 1/4 of an inch this past year lol. Lately, It seems to be improving more again since I've recently switched to bica. So, I wonder if any slight receptor upregulation combined with the weak partial agonist activity of cypro and spironolactone possibly could cause a plateu in results for most?? I've been on HRT for 2 years btw.

whats ur full regimen? ill chime in and give my opinion

 

[Ikarus]

@bridgeburn and @Itsnoahkennedy

Have you all had any issues with the frontal area, particularly the temples and/or the little island in the center most people develop after their temples recede not growing past a certain length? Mine seems to only want to grow a few inches, and the temples even less so. I'm seeing some progress after altering my own protocol but I am just curious if you all have run into this issue and what you did to solve it, if you did. Thanks.

Dunno if y'all are actually trans or just joking in your last few posts, I am sorry to say I could not find the time to go through 400 pages+ to find out lol but if you are hit me up if y'all ever wanna do a video for YouTube or something... I'm launching a channel here soon that's meant to be like trans girl teaches other trans girls makeup sort of thing but I also plan on talking about hair and skin care stuff etc etc so your input may be welcomed

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You are so pretty!

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

Same, my right temple is like actually really cosmetically significantly filled in down to NW1/0.5 even. The left is filled in as well, but not nearly as much or as dark. If I had very short hair, it would just look like a normal hairline tbh, maybe a little uneven but that's it. I just wish it'd grow, even if it wasn't natural density it would help so I could use long hair styles more effectively with my real hair.

Literally have a pair of clip in bangs in the mail atm seeing if that will look natural because wigs are annoying to wear daily



sh*t. Okay, thank you for the input

Out of curiosity, how long of you been on HRT? Were you always on injections and if not then what point did you switch? Any idea on your T and E blood levels?

 

[bridgeburn]

whats ur full regimen? ill chime in and give my opinion

50mg Bicalutimide
6mg Estrofem (2mg bucally 3x a day)
.5mg dutasteride
100mg oral progesterone
10mg oral minoxidil every other day

 

[mryellowman]

Boy dutasteride really made me forget about the meaning of shedding.I started oral minoxidil 2 weeks ago and never seen anything like this . Now i understand why people fearing about minoxidil shedding.

 

[DHTcel]

50mg Bicalutimide
6mg Estrofem (2mg bucally 3x a day)
.5mg dutasteride
100mg oral progesterone
10mg oral minoxidil every other day

I would drop the oral progesterone completely and keep everything else the same because progesterone has partial agonist activity of the AR, 50mg of Bicalutamide with dutasteride should block around 650ng/dl of Testosterone completely and anyways with that dose of E your T must be <100ng/dl. By using progesterone you still allow for some AR signaling to be present.

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[JaySegura]

Hi guys, I’ve been reading you for a long time and decided to make a account. I’ve got a question, I was in bica 75 mg and estradiol 2mg daily for two months, but noticed my muscle mass started to fade and I freaked out, I dropped the estradiol and now I take 150 mg bica everyday, it’s been a week since then. I wonder, will I still be able to get result and halts hair loss? Also will I still be able to get good results in the gym taking bica? Another thing I take 0,5 dutasteride evey other day. Greetings from Dominican Republic.

 

[JaySegura]

One good thing of Dominican Republic is that you can get medication without prescription. And bica 150mg is like 60 dollars for a month supply.

 

[recedingyt]

You are so pretty!

Thank you, the blonde wig and full beat of makeup really help with that, but I appreciate you saying that nonetheless.

Out of curiosity, how long of you been on HRT? Were you always on injections and if not then what point did you switch? Any idea on your T and E blood levels?

My timeline is a lil fucky because I started HRT (pills, 4mg E+200mg spironolactone+1mg finasteride for the first year, then 6mg E, 200mg spironolactone, 5mg medroxyprogesterone, 0.5mg dutasteride) in February 2015... continued it consistently until I met my now fiance in March of 2017, by August of 2017 I had become increasingly inconsistent with my HRT because of life circumstances faced with said fiance until I eventually discontinued HRT in around January 2018. I stayed mostly off of hormones from then until May of 2019, when I resumed taking hormones consistently. From May until July I was taking 6mg E oral, 200mg spironolactone, 0.5mg dutasteride, 100mg progresterone. From July until now I've taken 7mg E intramuscularly, 50mg bicalutamide, 0.5mg dutasteride, 100mg progesterone oral (but I am planning on doing rectal admin soon because the bioavailability is a lot higher).

So truly I don't know what to say when people how long I've been on HRT because things have been really back and forth for me the past 4 years. I was on HRT for 2 years, but then I had to quit for almost as long as I was on HRT and I lost almost all results apart from (most of) my hair, some fat distribution, my tits, and body hair thinning. My face and skin had reverted pretty much entirely to how it was pre-HRT. So I tend to think of my progress more in a mindframe of only having been on hormones since May and like I've got a lot more feminization to expect but I don't know if that is gonna end up being true or what... lol

Also, no idea about my current levels since starting injections (I'm DIY because I'm unemployed currently) but I know when I still had insurance and a job and was on 6mg E/200mg spironolactone etc I was pretty consistently around like 300pg/mL and <20 ng/dL T, virtually undetectable DHT thanks to dutasteride/HRT working in tandem.