Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Derelict]

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37% in the dutasteride group had greatly increased hair assessment versus only 5% in the finasteride group.

Dutasteride isn't just slightly better than finasteride, it is superior. It reduces DHT by over 90% versus 70% for finasteride. A higher dose of dutasteride will virtually eliminate DHT. What is common knowledge to people who have been here for a while is not common knowledge to people who have 3 posts. We see that even some people who have been here for years don't even know that dutasteride is superior to finasteride. A lot of newcomers aren't aware of how effective alternative treatments like RU and PGE2 can be, and they may wish to try that route before risking impotence and breast growth. Personally I don't care what they choose. It would benefit me if every other man in the world chose to feminize himself. I am suspicious of some people's motives though as I've known a m2f who admitted to getting a perverse pleasure out of tricking or brainwashing other men into feminizing themselves, and that's just plain wrong.

Drugs like spironolactone and bica have been thoroughly tested, RU is still a research drug,i don't think anyone here is getting some sort of perverse pleasure promoting these types of drugs, i think they just want it to be more accepted as a viable means of getting your hair back without being ridiculed as "trannies" for doing so. I agree that it should only be a last resort but the results speak for themselves, if you are aware of the risks and decide to go with such treatments you shouldn't be ridiculed for doing so which is what alot of people on this forum do.

 

[pegasus2]

Drugs like spironolactone and bica have been thoroughly tested, RU is still a research drug,i don't think anyone here is getting some sort of perverse pleasure promoting these types of drugs, i think they just want it to be more accepted as a viable means of getting your hair back without being ridiculed as "trannies" for doing so.

To each their own. Some people are more comfortable with research drugs. There's no need to get angry that we inform these people that they have that option, and then they can choose for themselves. It's not like I'm insulting people for choosing the HRT route.

 

[Derelict]

To each their own. Some people are more comfortable with research drugs. There's no need to get angry that we inform these people that they have that option, and then they can choose for themselves. It's not like I'm insulting people for choosing the HRT route.

I wasn't getting angry lol i have been thinking of using RU myself, but i know compared to spironolactone which i was taking for a little while it's safety profile is still small. Do you think dutasteride and RU is enough to halt balding in 99% of people?

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

I wasn't getting angry lol i have been thinking of using RU myself, but i know compared to spironolactone which i was taking for a little while it's safety profile is still small. Do you think dutasteride and RU is enough to halt balding in 99% of people?

Even Spironolactone is not enough to halt balding if you are destined to be a Norwood 6 in your twenties.

 

[Derelict]

Sorry, you're not the one I was referring to as getting angry. Even finasteride has been shown to stop hairloss in 99% of men. The problems is regrowth.

Finasteride didn't halt my hair loss, i still need alot more density to cover up the fact im bald, i can pass as a full head with my hair dry and some careful combing but get it wet and it looks like a disaster. Im going to try spironolactone again or maybe even bica to see if i can get some regrowth but tbh i think only estradiol will really give me the sort of regrowth i want, maybe i should just be happy with what i have.

 

[Derelict]

Even Spironolactone is not enough to halt balding if you are destined to be a Norwood 6 in your twenties.

I don't think im destined to be NW6, my hair loss is really only on my crown, my hairline is decent for someone my age. It's not perfect but im happy with it and temples are the hardest to grow back, my focus is on my crown which has a bald spot and is diffuse. Are you still off spironolactone father?

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

I don't think im destined to be NW6, my hair loss is really only on my crown, my hairline is decent for someone my age(30). It's not perfect but im happy with it and temples are the hardest to grow back, my focus is on my crown which has a bald spot and is diffuse.

Consider a hair transplant for your crown. Only estradiol can regrow hairs in nearly bald area. At best Anti-androgens can halt your hair loss. Those who get regrowth on AA are usually in their early twenties.

 

[Derelict]

Consider a hair transplant for your crown. Only estradiol can regrow hairs in nearly bald area. At best Anti-androgens can halt your hair loss. Those who get regrowth on AA are usually in their early twenties.

I have seen a thread with someone getting crazy regrowth with just duta and spironolactone, then another one who was using duta,spironolactone and oral minoxidil, he then switched from spironolactone to RU and managed to maintain his gains. im going to give spironolactone another shot beginning of next year some time, think i will just use RU until then.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

I have seen a thread with someone getting crazy regrowth with just duta and spironolactone, then another one who was using duta,spironolactone and oral minoxidil, he then switched from spironolactone to RU and managed to maintain his gains. im going to give spironolactone another shot beginning of next year some time, think i will just use RU until then.

All of them were in their early twenties. You should definitely try RU. Unfortunately, in my country, you can not buy RU.

 

[Jacob Williams]

Did you notice any change in your face?

Not so far as I can tell. My facial structure has always been pretty feminine and bicalutamide hasn’t made it any more so. I didn’t think that my skin got any better but I get a bunch of compliments now so it must have.

 

[Jacob Williams]

Hair loss is definitely worse than gyno, but for me personally mild to moderate gyno is ok, but i couldn't tolerate severe gyno. I would not be too fussed if i had the same amount of gyno bridgeburn has for example.

My gyno is definitely still mild to moderate. I could take my shirt off in public and people would recognize that I have gyno, but a lot of guys do and it’s not so abhorrent that people would think something was wrong with me.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

Not so far as I can tell. My facial structure has always been pretty feminine and bicalutamide hasn’t made it any more so. I didn’t think that my skin got any better but I get a bunch of compliments now so it must have.

Keep talking to girls. They are very quick to notice a difference on face.

 

[Jacob Williams]

Thank you for your concerns anyways. I'm aware of the unwanted side effects but gyno wouldn't bother me that much. My only concer is about infertility and if it's permanent or not :\

At some point before my surgery I’m going to get my hormones tested, so I’ll post an update then. There was a point in time after I started bicalutamide where I could barely ejaculate and I was having trouble getting erections. Those side effects have subsided a lot over time though. I’m curious to see if I still have working sperm after Spironolactone and bicalutamide. Obviously I haven’t been on bicalutamide long so even if my sperm works now it doesn’t mean it will work for much longer.

 

[Jacob Williams]

Alot of boob is from fat distribution, so staying skinny will cap the overall shape..

But even without any fat gain, the nipples will grow like 3x and become puffy pepperoni's

Yeah I’m pretty a pretty skinny guy, although I’m currently trying to bulk which could be a mistake. My nipples are huge now, and very visible through most of my shirts. Its definitely manageable at its current stage, but it’s scary to not know how much worse it will get. Unfortunately I’m kind of in uncharted territory at the moment as someone trying to do this regimen and maintain his masculinity. There’s very little research on the efficacy of gyno surgery when the patient doesn’t cease taking the drugs that caused the gyno. I have to pretty much take my best guess and go with it.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

Yeah I’m pretty a pretty skinny guy, although I’m currently trying to bulk which could be a mistake. My nipples are huge now, and very visible through most of my shirts. Its definitely manageable at its current stage, but it’s scary to not know how much worse it will get. Unfortunately I’m kind of in uncharted territory at the moment as someone trying to do this regimen and maintain his masculinity. There’s very little research on the efficacy of gyno surgery when the patient doesn’t cease taking the drugs that caused the gyno. I have to pretty much take my best guess and go with it.

Gyno would return. My elder brother who is on finasteride, Had to go for second surgery.

 

[Gergely]

Gyno would return. My elder brother who is on finasteride, Had to go for second surgery.

Only from Finasteride?

 

[Derelict]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25903108 99.4% improvement after 5 years. If finasteride didn't halt your hair loss you either have very aggressive hair loss, fake generic tablets, or some medical condition such as hypothyroidism.

My hair loss is definitely aggressive then, my finasteride was legit, developed a bald spot and the thinning on my crown area increased the year i was on finasteride. My hair is half decent now when dry, been on dutasteride for 12 months and oral+topical minoxidil for 13 months.

 

[Father_of_Shiseido]

Only from Finasteride?

Yes.

 

[Derelict]

Are you maintaining now?

I think so, the bald spot has filled in with my current regimen but my crown overall is still very thin and diffuse, like i said it's only really noticeable when my hair is wet, i don't know if i should stop being greedy and be content with what i have. I was on 200mg spironolactone for 5 months but stopped due to gyno concerns, i only stopped it just over a month ago, im not sure how much it was helping, i planned on giving it a full year.

 

[Derelict]

Were you starting to get gyno? If so, has it since dissipated? I'm making progress, but I'm in a hurry to at least get to my midscalp to fill in so it looks like I just have recession.

The gyno really snuck up on me, i still have it but i should say im a bit overweight so that may be making it look worse, im on a pretty strict diet right now trying to lose some weight before i hop back on it some time around the start of next year