Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Brenna]

it's not estradiol, i couldn't find any pharmacy that sells estradiol and my country has strict importing laws so i can't order it online neither.
will it be safe to take with or without spironolactone?

Generally speaking estradiol without an AA is pointless.

 

[Thatguy0]

Which country would that be?

saudi arabia

Generally speaking estradiol without an AA is pointless.

that's really sad, i'll try to order it online hopefully it'll come through.

 

[Thatguy0]

i just checked posts from couple pages ago. What's up with the toxic masculinity in this forum? it's one thing to see that in random threads but
to specifically target this thread despite it being a thread on treating baldness through HRT related remedies is ridiculous.

 

[I'mme]

i just checked posts from couple pages ago. What's up with the toxic masculinity in this forum? it's one thing to see that in random threads but
to specifically target this thread despite it being a thread on treating baldness through HRT related remedies is ridiculous.

Don't take zinc if you're looking for regrowth.

 

[Salvador Adam Llopis]

Your hair are just falling and coming back or falling and not coming back?

Unless you have reverse androgenicity, the latter one isn't possible on HRT.

My pattern is strange. My problem is between the connection on the sides and the top, I have less density in those area and and the hair has a silvery or flattened color. As I said, my pattern will evolve in a similar way to the president of turkey Erdogan.

When I look pictures of my childhood I can see that pattern too, so that means my hair on these area is more sensitive. In addition, I think I have dupa in my hair, so I don't know if all the hair is influenced to minimization or not. Despite all, I have been fighting for 9 years and I am sure the culprit is the testosterone..if I have kept the hair (but reducing density) all this time.. with hrt I should keep the hair (if recovery is not possible).. because my testo levels are the same than I had with 5-9 years old..

When I see the hair falling I can see sometimes a difference of diameter between the root and the tip of hair.. you can see the transition of thickness. Sometimes the tip is thinner and the root is thicker, so that means the hair is getting healthier, but sometimes the thickness on the root is thinner than on top, so that shows the effect of dht..

I went to a surgeon for a hair transplant, for the disconnection between top and sides and he said it's not possible due to the damage he would do if he implants between native hair.. so maybe I have to wait more. I am trying to find info about scalp micropigmentation too because I think it's a good option.

I am sure the culprit is the sensibility against dht, more than the concentration.. but if testo is 30ng/dl, and the conversion into dht is around 5-10%, this is (1-3 ng/dl).. and I am sure not all this dht will be on scalp, but in other tissues as well.. so maybe I need hrt takes time because I have been 9 years fighting against this, and one year with hrt.. so the effect of hormones are permanent / semipermanent / reversible.. so we can just be waiting or decrease my testo levels adding 12.5 CPA to 50 bicalutamide every other day, or increase estradiol to 8 mg per day. Maybe I will include saw palmetto as well, with finas and dutas too

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

My pattern is strange. My problem is between the connection on the sides and the top, I have less density in those area and and the hair has a silvery or flattened color. As I said, my pattern will evolve in a similar way to the president of turkey Erdogan.

When I look pictures of my childhood I can see that pattern too, so that means my hair on these area is more sensitive. In addition, I think I have dupa in my hair, so I don't know if all the hair is influenced to minimization or not. Despite all, I have been fighting for 9 years and I am sure the culprit is the testosterone..if I have kept the hair (but reducing density) all this time.. with hrt I should keep the hair (if recovery is not possible).. because my testo levels are the same than I had with 5-9 years old..

When I see the hair falling I can see sometimes a difference of diameter between the root and the tip of hair.. you can see the transition of thickness. Sometimes the tip is thinner and the root is thicker, so that means the hair is getting healthier, but sometimes the thickness on the root is thinner than on top, so that shows the effect of dht..

I went to a surgeon for a hair transplant, for the disconnection between top and sides and he said it's not possible due to the damage he would do if he implants between native hair.. so maybe I have to wait more. I am trying to find info about scalp micropigmentation too because I think it's a good option.

I am sure the culprit is the sensibility against dht, more than the concentration.. but if testo is 30ng/dl, and the conversion into dht is around 5-10%, this is (1-3 ng/dl).. and I am sure not all this dht will be on scalp, but in other tissues as well.. so maybe I need hrt takes time because I have been 9 years fighting against this, and one year with hrt.. so the effect of hormones are permanent / semipermanent / reversible.. so we can just be waiting or decrease my testo levels adding 12.5 CPA to 50 bicalutamide every other day, or increase estradiol to 8 mg per day. Maybe I will include saw palmetto as well, with finas and dutas too

Just adding more and more things when, as you noted, your DHT and T levels are likely minimal, won't necessarily lead to better results. If anything constantly altering hormone levels could trigger Telogen Effluvium. Getting steady hormone levels are probably just as important in controlling shedding rates.

 

[Salvador Adam Llopis]

Your hair are just falling and coming back or falling and not coming back?

Unless you have reverse androgenicity, the latter one isn't possible on HRT.

How can I have reverse androgenicity??
with the dose I am taking 50 mg bica + 6 estradiol, first I noticed my nipples were more sensitive.. but I don't have gyno, as I explained to Bridge... I have lost weight and physical strength, and I have not feminized my face like other people who are taking these meds.

But I also think every body responds in a different way, and the most important is to check blood levels, more than the side effects of hrt.

I will post my last two blood results and if someone can give me the opinion about it:

12/09/2019
-cholesterol 211 mg/dl (70/200)
-GPT 76 UI/l (5-40) I always have had problems with liver, due to chromatosis. My father has high ferritine and me too. So I think this plus all the meds I take is the responsible for this value
-estradiol 280.3 pg/ml
-progesterone 0.67 ng/ml
-testosterone <0.03 ng/ml (30ng/dl)
-FSH basal <0.1 mUI/ml
-LH basal <0.1 mUI/ml
-prolactine basal 92.3 ng/ml
-cortisol 2.7 ug/dl (6-18.4), sometimes I take clobetasol, a topical corticoid when I feel my scalp itchy, so maybe this value explains that
-PSA 0.03 ng/ml (0-4), this is the prostate
-vitamine b12, 94 pg/ml (145-925), I have bought supplements of this vitamine

xx/11/2019
-cholesterol 230 mg/dl
-testosterone <0.03 ng/ml (30ng/dl)
-estradiol 173 pg/ml
-PSA 0.03 ng/ml (0-4), this is the prostate
-S-DHEA basal 0.2 ug/dl (160/449)
-FSH basal <0.3 mUI/ml
-LH basal <0.3 mUI/ml
-prolactine basal 32.2 ng/ml
-PSA 0.02 ng/ml
-vitamine b12, 59 pg/ml

Then my leucocites are high, but the concentration has decreased since these 2 months and it's because I was taking prednisone every other day because a problem with skin. But I don't think this will affect my hair.

I don't know if dht is affecting somehting here, or it's a lack of vitamine or I have not all the parameters in my body regulated and I have some health problem, no idea..

 

[Salvador Adam Llopis]

Just adding more and more things when, as you noted, your DHT and T levels are likely minimal, won't necessarily lead to better results. If anything constantly altering hormone levels could trigger Telogen Effluvium. Getting steady hormone levels are probably just as important in controlling shedding rates.

Okay, so I will not add anything else. Keep bica and estradiol and the other things

 

[Jordaniel]

Hey can any on thie regimen tell me, what did your scalp start feeling like as hair came back in? Did your scalp become more plush and fat dense again?

 

[Derelict]

sh*t beautyfronstore.net is down, i only have 300 100mg pills to do me, anyone know any cheap easy places to get spironolactone from? i really liked that site because it used paypal.

Edit, no worries i think i found a place, nevermind

 

[Brenna]

Is gyno inevitable with this regiment? How come transgender people often don't get boobs with similar hrt?

Zero breast growth on HRT is extremely rare. Almost all get noticable gyno at the very least.

To answer your question though, yes.

 

[baldingAF]

Don't take zinc if you're looking for regrowth.

why do you say that? In what way is zinc bad? Does it not work well when doing this type of reg?

also I remember you also being a fan of the aromatase theory. Did you take any steps in that direction? I’m going to start a new reg soon that has zinc sulfate and the copper peptide as far as dealing with DHT and some aromatase inducers

 

[I'mme]

why do you say that? In what way is zinc bad? Does it not work well when doing this type of reg?

also I remember you also being a fan of the aromatase theory. Did you take any steps in that direction? I’m going to start a new reg soon that has zinc sulfate and the copper peptide as far as dealing with DHT and some aromatase inducers

I was talking about zinc supplementation (oral). In normal cis men, it cause slight increase in T. In individuals with low T the spark may be very sharp, like sudden increase in T by over 100%.

 

[Hair We Go Go]

Query: I've been taking Bicalutamide (with 4mg e) for the past 3 months and I've notice no change at with my hair. I'm about to run out and considering going back to CPA? Have I given Bica enough time? or do I stick with it for a further 3 months.

Previously I've been on CPA + duta + minoxidil for a year or so, on this I managed to recover hair crown and fill temples with a ton of pigmented vellus hairs. But everything stopped growing, so I switched to Bica. And it's stayed the same - vellus temples stuck not growing, not falling either, weird.

 

[Salvador Adam Llopis]

Query: I've been taking Bicalutamide (with 4mg e) for the past 3 months and I've notice no change at with my hair. I'm about to run out and considering going back to CPA? Have I given Bica enough time? or do I stick with it for a further 3 months.

Previously I've been on CPA + duta + minoxidil for a year or so, on this I managed to recover hair crown and fill temples with a ton of pigmented vellus hairs. But everything stopped growing, so I switched to Bica. And it's stayed the same - vellus temples stuck not growing, not falling either, weird.

have you checked your blood levels??

 

[Salvador Adam Llopis]

can someone tell me the difference between conjugated estrogens and valerate estradiol? is there a difference? would ethinyl estradiol be part of the conjugated estrogens?

 

[Hair We Go Go]

have you checked your blood levels??

No, I should probably get it checked. Might give me clue what's going on.

 

[baldingAF]

Do you guys thing min is necessary? Trying to do off target HRT and I see some with min and some without. If you start did you stop?

 

[Gergely]

If anyone interested in the future, shesalady does deliver to Hungary and it arrived in decent shape.

 

[Kira Marie]

Thank you, the blonde wig and full beat of makeup really help with that, but I appreciate you saying that nonetheless.



My timeline is a lil fucky because I started HRT (pills, 4mg E+200mg spironolactone+1mg finasteride for the first year, then 6mg E, 200mg spironolactone, 5mg medroxyprogesterone, 0.5mg dutasteride) in February 2015... continued it consistently until I met my now fiance in March of 2017, by August of 2017 I had become increasingly inconsistent with my HRT because of life circumstances faced with said fiance until I eventually discontinued HRT in around January 2018. I stayed mostly off of hormones from then until May of 2019, when I resumed taking hormones consistently. From May until July I was taking 6mg E oral, 200mg spironolactone, 0.5mg dutasteride, 100mg progresterone. From July until now I've taken 7mg E intramuscularly, 50mg bicalutamide, 0.5mg dutasteride, 100mg progesterone oral (but I am planning on doing rectal admin soon because the bioavailability is a lot higher).

So truly I don't know what to say when people how long I've been on HRT because things have been really back and forth for me the past 4 years. I was on HRT for 2 years, but then I had to quit for almost as long as I was on HRT and I lost almost all results apart from (most of) my hair, some fat distribution, my tits, and body hair thinning. My face and skin had reverted pretty much entirely to how it was pre-HRT. So I tend to think of my progress more in a mindframe of only having been on hormones since May and like I've got a lot more feminization to expect but I don't know if that is gonna end up being true or what... lol

Also, no idea about my current levels since starting injections (I'm DIY because I'm unemployed currently) but I know when I still had insurance and a job and was on 6mg E/200mg spironolactone etc I was pretty consistently around like 300pg/mL and <20 ng/dL T, virtually undetectable DHT thanks to dutasteride/HRT working in tandem.