Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[Marky]

My suggestion would be to go on 25mg for 2 weeks and then 50mg for a month, always split the dose in 2. Morning and night.
See how you react and go from there.....if you have bad sides stop for a while and try again, you may not get them second time round.
Theres alot of flexibility with this, with the drugs we have there may be a plausible cycling schedule which would be close to a cure with minimal sides but this takes time and money + trial and error to develop. The more you take the quicker it happens, but maybe its best to get results over a year with less sides vs 3 months. There are hundreds of combos and possibilities. Every case is different.

Expect gyno....I didnt develop gyno taking some of the hardest anabolic steroids out there like trenbolone (which fucked my hair) but with dutasteride and spironolactone I have developed a lump on one side. Its not visible and does not scare me I have raloxifene, if that doesnt work ill get surgery. Gyno surgery is a piece of piss. Way less intimidating than FUE hair transplant which I also did for my temples.
Theres no way I can sit on 200mg spironolactone for long enough to recover temples, hence the hair transplant there.
spironolactone and Dutasteride are a super powerful combo especially if you also add Minoxidl.

Did you have some before and after pics?

 

[Guido]

Hello how are you ? a question. very high prolactin causes alopecia ??
I was on a flutamide and estradiol regimen for a year that caused me hyperprolactinemia ... my hair fell the same despite the regimen I am currently still losing ...
do you think it's because of prolactin?
if progloctin areglo recover some hair?

 

[Blackweasel]

Did you have some before and after pics?

I am a diffuse thinner, as I said my family is full of NW6 and NW7s. Pic 1 and 3 are baseline, pic 2 is the rapid loss Minoxidl caused in 2-3 months. Pic 4 is now, it seems results are coming in from now onwards.
Keep in mind im 108 days into my Frontal area FUE operation 3100 grafts. Its the mid scalp and crown that I am using meds for. Only in the last 2 weeks do I have more hair vs when I was at baseline some 7 months ago. I had been well below baseline and devastated for months, but didnt give up.

 

[keepcoolmybabies]

I am a diffuse thinner, as I said my family is full of NW6 and NW7s. Pic 1 and 3 are baseline, pic 2 is the rapid loss Minoxidl caused in 2-3 months. Pic 4 is now, it seems results are coming in from now onwards.
Keep in mind im 108 days into my Frontal area FUE operation 3100 grafts. Its the mid scalp and crown that I am using meds for. Only in the last 2 weeks do I have more hair vs when I was at baseline some 7 months ago. I had been well below baseline and devastated for months, but didnt give up.

great comeback

 

[LEXUS]

please give some kind of European site where to order E? Shesalady is no longer working.

 

[TomRiddle]

Lmao damn it feminized the f*** out of you but you could use this to try some photo shooting maybe you will end up the next James Charles or whatever his name is... Nice teeth and thanks for not showing the rest i don't think i can handle it

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

@Itsnoahkennedy What's your regimen at the moment buddy ?? Did you drop E or just briefly ??

 

[NorwoodingMyWay]

I dropped E for 3 & 1/2 months, mainly out of laziness to order more. I'm just on dutasteride and Cyproterone acetate now. im switching to spironolactone later this month though.

Your hair is amazing. I'm surprised dropping E didn't result in a huge shed (hairloss resuming again). Wish you all the best.





Btw, are you still on 50 mg CPA ??

 

[Blackweasel]

For others that have been on 5ar blockers, minoxidl and AAs... was there a point where you stopped shedding? Since I added spironolactone to the mix shedding is 0. I havent had a hair shed in a while, even when applying Minoxidl.

 

[Kaue carrera]

thank you ♡. Yeah im still on 50mg CPA I'll weane off of it once my Spironolactone comes in the mail.

what can spironoclatone help?

 

[Moosey]

please give some kind of European site where to order E? Shesalady is no longer working.

shesalady is now aphrodites shop https://www.aphrodites.shop/store

Your hair is amazing. I'm surprised dropping E didn't result in a huge shed (hairloss resuming again). Wish you all the best.

Btw, are you still on 50 mg CPA ??

I have seen this assumption several times throughout the thread now. I think this is not what would happen and im not surprised it doesnt happen. You guys follow this assumption because alot of hairloss treatments, exspecially minoxidil, "artificially", temporarily grow hair for as long as the drug is in the system and doing its thing. Like a bridge thats at the verge of collapsing, and you get below it to prevent it from doing that. And it'll not collapse but only as long as you stand there, holding it in its place.
What this guy has done (or any MTF-protocol success story here) is not just holding the bridge with his own hands. He repaired the bridge. He healed his hair follicles, his cells, and his scalp. Its not hair that survives with the aid of drugs. It is healthy, terminal hair that has recovered and healed to a large extent. Think about your hair before you hairloss begun. Did you guys turn 12 and go bald in a day the second your body started producing testosterone? No. Strong, healthy hair doesnt just die in 4 months due to androgens. It takes more time than that. Just like it took years and years of androgen damage to have hairloss the very first time it happened.

 

[LEXUS]

shesalady is now aphrodites shop https://www.aphrodites.shop/store


I have seen this assumption several times throughout the thread now. I think this is not what would happen and im not surprised it doesnt happen. You guys follow this assumption because alot of hairloss treatments, exspecially minoxidil, "artificially", temporarily grow hair for as long as the drug is in the system and doing its thing. Like a bridge thats at the verge of collapsing, and you get below it to prevent it from doing that. And it'll not collapse but only as long as you stand there, holding it in its place.
What this guy has done (or any MTF-protocol success story here) is not just holding the bridge with his own hands. He repaired the bridge. He healed his hair follicles, his cells, and his scalp. Its not hair that survives with the aid of drugs. It is healthy, terminal hair that has recovered and healed to a large extent. Think about your hair before you hairloss begun. Did you guys turn 12 and go bald in a day the second your body started producing testosterone? No. Strong, healthy hair doesnt just die in 4 months due to androgens. It takes more time than that. Just like it took years and years of androgen damage to have hairloss the very first time it happened.

thank you very much. I didn’t know that they were called that now. inhouse does not work due to virus. do aphrodites work? they have no hormones available ... (((what do you think is better inhouse pharmacy or aphrodite?

 

[Sonolmn98]

I dropped E for 3 & 1/2 months, mainly out of laziness to order more. I'm just on dutasteride and Cyproterone acetate now. im switching to spironolactone later this month though.

i thinking of dropping my E dosage too, mainly because iam getting stretch marks from gyno growth and it kinda sucks, looks like the hair density is maintained as long as you are on blockers

 

[Moosey]

thank you very much. I didn’t know that they were called that now. inhouse does not work due to virus. do aphrodites work? they have no hormones available ... (((what do you think is better inhouse pharmacy or aphrodite?

I never used inhouse. I just know its popular. I would buy from a source depending on your location. If you are in the US, buy from a US domestic shop. Im in the EU, so i want to buy from a EU source. https://www.unitedpharmacies-uk.md has a warehouse in the US, NL and UK as far as i know (hence the flags). And yes it seems like the toilet-paper bandits not only hoard toilet paper but also estrogen.

There's also the question of the epigenetic clock, but what Moosey said is accurate, people can maintain their estrogen repaired hair with dutasteride just the same as people can prevent hair loss in the first place with dutasteride. Maybe not in all cases, but I believe it's easier than people think.

Obviously this is a complex topic and no one knows the answers to it. I also believe that even with full recovery, the hair will not be as "perfect" as it was when you were a teen, because of epigenetics. Either way i'd say people like noakennedy dont have fragile, drug-dependent hair.

 

[Derelict]

I never used inhouse. I just know its popular. I would buy from a source depending on your location. If you are in the US, buy from a US domestic shop. Im in the EU, so i want to buy from a EU source. https://www.unitedpharmacies-uk.md has a warehouse in the US, NL and UK as far as i know (hence the flags). And yes it seems like the toilet-paper bandits not only hoard toilet paper but also estrogen.


Obviously this is a complex topic and no one knows the answers to it. I also believe that even with full recovery, the hair will not be as "perfect" as it was when you were a teen, because of epigenetics. Either way i'd say people like noakennedy dont have fragile, drug-dependent hair.

united pharmacies are scammers, my bank card was used after using them, it happened twice actually and can be linked back directly to them. I would avoid like the plague. If you are going to use them try a prepaid bank card.

 

[Moosey]

minoxidil is needed because it does activate regrowth. You are mixing hrt (essentially a theraphy to either recover from menopause in ciswomen or transition to female for transwomen) with hair loss and hair regrowth. It's easy to confuse both and you are not the only one.

The two are different and somewhat related: although when you look around you the best candidates for having full head of hair are women not men. Half of the men after 50 look like gigantic dickheads. Female with hormone deficiency after menopause get thinning but in a diffuse pattern because dht is attacking the hair follicles in a different way (frontal follicles are much more resilient in females than males.) I think the reason is the same but the pattern is different.

So to recap, get on hrt if you want to transition and don't mind b**ch tits on your body. You will put your body in an emulation mode that will stop hairloss (T & DHT levels are the same as pre-menopause ciswomen.) In order to recover the loss you had being born with a dick, you will also need possibly duta if you stil have T because somehow dht will happen in other areas then from your balls and remember your follicles have already severely miniaturized. You will also need minoxidil to reactivate the growth of these follicles (no one can tell why but I suspect it's related to PGE2 which is deficient in men.)

minoxidil will grow hair everywhere, some on your head (unfortunately not enough) but expect Neanderthal hands and arms and the need to laser it or wax it regularly. If you are on hrt and try to feminise that's a big issue. minoxidil topical is effective but not as much as oral with higher doses. Oral will avoid the aging of skin and wrinkles and doses will make topical insignificant in its effect.

If you do minoxidil, do microneedling (the follica way). Done right, it will trigger neogenesis.

All of this can work or not work depending on your own body ability to react to the drugs or not. If you have sensitive follicles or you waited to long to start, it will be harder. There is no cure, and the only way to maintain what you get is to keep at it everyday of your life. Are you ready for this commitment? The minute you stop, things will go downhill and you are back to square one, while you may keep the side effects permanently (ED, gyno, vision loss, liver decease, etc.) For each their own.

I have to heavily disagree with your last paragraph.

What makes you say that oral minoxidil will not have the skin aging effect? This is the reason why im scared to use minoxidil again. Back when i used it, it made me look like a zombie. It was so horrible no amount of hair was worth going through the day like this.
I would have thought using oral will make it even worse, because the minoxidil will literally reach every single nanometer of your skin.
Do you have information on the follica needling protocol? What do they do exactly?

 

[Derelict]

I have to heavily disagree with your last paragraph.

What makes you say that oral minoxidil will not have the skin aging effect? This is the reason why im scared to use minoxidil again. Back when i used it, it made me look like a zombie. It was so horrible no amount of hair was worth going through the day like this.
I would have thought using oral will make it even worse, because the minoxidil will literally reach every single nanometer of your skin.
Do you have information on the follica needling protocol? What do they do exactly?

I have been using oral min at usually 10mg since roughly october 2018 and have had no issues whatsoever with my skin or collagen depletion etc

 

[Moosey]

united pharmacies are scammers, my bank card was used after using them, it happened twice actually and can be linked back directly to them. I would avoid like the plague. If you are going to use them try a prepaid bank card.

I dont know. Theres just too many subreddits linking them as sources and too many anecdotes from people saying they received their package. It doesnt really matter with the amount of online pharmacies we have.

 

[Moosey]

I have been using oral min at usually 10mg since roughly october 2018 and have had no issues whatsoever with my skin or collagen depletion etc

Not everyone gets the horrible skin on minoxidil. The question is, wether switching from topical to oral minoxidil will get rid of this side effect for the people who do have it. This would be a blessing for me considering just how easy and effective oral minoxidil is to use.
How is oral minoxidil treating you overall? What happened since those 2 years?

 

[John Difool]

Why don't you try it?