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This person is the head of Transfeminine Science and Kay also writes a lot there. They will answer specific question you want to pose, Almas but I am just posting studies and excerpts of studies so people can decide for themselves. I have no horse in this race but you seem to feel as though you understand all of this better than others and perhaps you do but the proof at least anecdotally for you is in the pudding. Instead you are conjecturing about endocrine factors that often don't make sense in terms of conjecture. A lot of this field is lightly tested and studied so often anecdotal reports are all that we have.

Anything by this gal is worth taking a look at. I don't encounter many folks that I necessarily defer to but I do defer to her and Kay generally as they read and write research papers with alacrity and precision.

 

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Is the use of an AA only a suitable form of HRT for feminization or hair loss?​

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Maybe Aly or Kay or Pawops have an opinion on this but this is to any of you esteemed intellects and students of the the entire nuts and bolts of HRT for all uses.

I keep running into guys who want to use say 150mg of Bica daily to regrow hair. The idea of going single shot with an AA for MtF purposes (directionally, not in terms of gender) has often been presented on here as dangerous past say 90 days. I think Wpath allows 90 days to re-set the axis although not many do this in practice.

These XY's want the hair growth benefits but claim that Bica does not interfere with anabolic muscle growth or retention, nor does it impact libido, erectile capacity or breast growth.

It all sounds specious to me but mine is more so to present studies to others since my protocol is working like a dream and as always, I attribute this to Goddess and Goddess bless.
 
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These XY's want the hair growth benefits but claim that Bica does not interfere with anabolic muscle growth or retention, nor does it impact libido, erectile capacity or breast growth.
Bicalutamide affects libido and breast growth, I have never argued otherwise. I just said that this is not as strong an effect as estrogen monotherapy
 

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Bicalutamide affects libido and breast growth, I have never argued otherwise. I just said that this is not as strong an effect as estrogen monotherapy
I don't think estrogen monotherapy without dht blockers would cause gyno, although as everything it depends on the person in question.
 

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Bicalutamide affects libido and breast growth, I have never argued otherwise. I just said that this is not as strong an effect as estrogen monotherapy
And your anecdotal results will be important to the community but I tried to find an intermediate path and after 6.5 years, I gave up and let copious E2 and then oral min from topical do their thing. Maybe you will be more successful but I am trying to find protocols that I know have worked at least for someone, for both XX's and XY's. It's even harder finding a protocol with the females who PM me for help strangely enough and not much research is done on female hair loss. Let's see if Kay or Aly chime in as I aim to serve and posted a question that I believe incorporates your beliefs or hopes related to single shot use of Bica.

We just seem to lack absolutes in HRT. Some get all hair back; some get none; some get large breasts; most get little to none. I don't hear many complaints about daily sides regarding Bica or Provera or Progesterone or Estrogen but essentially, my belief is that if a person raises their E2 levels high enough, full restoration is possible for all but the largest balding scalps which often lack even any fringe to speak of, which is often seen close to lands closest to the Mediterranean Sea which means Middle of the Earth Sea so it's also the center of the baldness gene apparently and the gene gets weaker the farther away that one goes. But in general, it is hard-wired as I call it in Europeans, Arabs and Jews or folks with genes partially deriving therefrom.
 
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I wonder how @Ein is able to run Bicalutamide+Spironolactone+Finasteride all together just for hair, and it works. He says that he plans to stay on it for ever... and he see's no problem there.
 

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I wonder how @Ein is able to run Bicalutamide+Spironolactone+Finasteride all together just for hair, and it works. He says that he plans to stay on it for ever... and he see's no problem there.
I am just as curious. But one thing might be relevant risk related to cost/benefit analysis. Is this person testing? Has his face feminized? So there is both a safety issue and a feminization issue. We all know that increasing E2 has stereotypical facial and body effects and less so hair effects but yeah. Pretty much anyone okay with being "pretty" has a great shot at significant improvement hair-wise. @bridgeburn continued to go by male pronouns but he had far more breast growth than normal and his face got more and more female. He didn't even need beard removal as his beard started getting light and patchy on its own without removal which is rare. I highly doubt that he can pass as male now without losing those locks. I don't believe that HRT necessary turns a person female but anecdotally and not from me but from the boards, some claim increasing attraction to males as a side effect but this is probably just repressed feelings in my opinion. MtF on here indicates direction more so than identity, at least for me and my writings.

Anyone bald at first glance we take as male. It's an efficient system for making decisions about who might be dangerous in life and who isn't. White females instinctively, if not overtly, use height, beard growth and hair length to make snap decisions from a distance about gender. They are not trying to misgender anyone and it is silly when MtF's who are very tall or have stubble or short hair get upset if they are misgendered. Put on a dress or skirt and I promise such folks that they won't be misgendered. A boob job helps here too. As I often say, there's a reason why HRT for baldness for guys hasn't been a thing until hormones became widely available because it has been deemed impossible to use HRT for hair purposes without feminization and this has pretty much always been known. So maybe this is another situation where people need to try Serms or await other meds.
 
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I am just as curious. But one thing might be relevant risk related to cost/benefit analysis. Is this person testing? Has his face feminized? So there is both a safety issue and a feminization issue. We all know that increasing E2 has stereotypical facial and body effects and less so hair effects but yeah. Pretty much anyone okay with being "pretty" has a great shot at significant improvement hair-wise. @bridgeburn continued to go by male pronouns but he had far more breast growth than normal and his face got more and more female. I highly doubt that he can pass as male now without losing those locks. I don't believe that HRT necessary turns a person female but anecdotally and not from me but from the boards, some claim increasing attraction to males as a side effect but this is probably just repressed feelings in my opinion. MtF on here indicates direction more so than identity, at least for me and my writings.

Anyone bald at first glance we take as male. It's an efficient system for making decisions about who might be dangerous in life and who isn't. White females instinctively, if not overtly, use height, beard growth and hair length to make snap decisions from a distance about gender. There are not trying to misgender anyone and it is silly when MtF's who are very tall or have stubble or short hair to get upset if they are misgendered. Put on a dress or skirt and I promise such folks that they won't be misgendered. A boob job helps here too. As I often say, there's a reason why HRT for baldness for guys hasn't been a thing until hormones became widely available because it has been deemed impossible to use HRT for hair purposes without feminization and this has pretty much always been known. So maybe this is another situation where people need to try Serms or await other meds.
He says that he "reversed" his puberty or well... "freezed" it altogether. He has a neotenic look now and he is happy. He also stated once that Bicalutamide was his best choice in his life and that he got his dad convinced to take it as well.

Fuc*in amazing lol
 

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I am just as curious. But one thing might be relevant risk related to cost/benefit analysis. Is this person testing? Has his face feminized? So there is both a safety issue and a feminization issue. We all know that increasing E2 has stereotypical facial and body effects and less so hair effects but yeah. Pretty much anyone okay with being "pretty" has a great shot at significant improvement hair-wise. @bridgeburn continued to go by male pronouns but he had far more breast growth than normal and his face got more and more female. I highly doubt that he can pass as male now without losing those locks. I don't believe that HRT necessary turns a person female but anecdotally and not from me but from the boards, some claim increasing attraction to males as a side effect but this is probably just repressed feelings in my opinion. MtF on here indicates direction more so than identity, at least for me and my writings.

Anyone bald at first glance we take as male. It's an efficient system for making decisions about who might be dangerous in life and who isn't. White females instinctively, if not overtly, use height, beard growth and hair length to make snap decisions from a distance about gender. They are not trying to misgender anyone and it is silly when MtF's who are very tall or have stubble or short hair get upset if they are misgendered. Put on a dress or skirt and I promise such folks that they won't be misgendered. A boob job helps here too. As I often say, there's a reason why HRT for baldness for guys hasn't been a thing until hormones became widely available because it has been deemed impossible to use HRT for hair purposes without feminization and this has pretty much always been known. So maybe this is another situation where people need to try Serms or await other meds.
Ein wrote to me that the face became more puffy. Also, users of Bicalutamide report that the cheeks become more feminine. I assume that facial features become softer
 

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He says that he "reversed" his puberty or well... "freezed" it altogether. He has a neotenic look now and he is happy. He also stated once that Bicalutamide was his best choice in his life and that he got his dad convinced to take it as well.

Fuc*in amazing lol
Okay. So we are talking about someone just emerging from male puberty. Yes, there can be differences but surprisingly few for older gals except our 2nd puberty can be far more revolutionary. And yes, neotenic looks are deemed by men and women often to greatly increase facial attractiveness with a dip related to women in estrus actually preferring smelly, virile men with more masculine face shapes as they might be associated with higher T, higher fertility, larger phalluses and fun frolicking in bed. For regular partners, they prefer childish/feminine face shapes with features relatively large as per mouths and eyes and smaller noses, lack of all beard growth and full heads of hair.

Bica seems to be especially good as a replacement for puberty blockers which are outlandishly expensive and often unavailable without prescription and the folks at reddit mention their productive use in place of Gnrh's.
 

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Okay. So we are talking about someone just emerging from male puberty. Yes, there can be differences but surprisingly few for older gals except our 2nd puberty can be far more revolutionary. And yes, neotenic looks are deemed by men and women often to greatly increase facial attractiveness with a dip related to women in estrus actually preferring smelly, virile men with more masculine face shapes as they might be associated with higher T, higher fertility, larger phalluses and fun frolicking in bed. For regular partners, they prefer childish/feminine face shapes with features relatively large as per mouths and eyes and smaller noses, lack of all beard growth and full heads of hair.

Bica seems to be especially good as a replacement for puberty blockers which are outlandishly expensive and often unavailable without prescription and the folks at reddit mention their productive use in place of Grnh's.
I prefer the neotenic look personally. I want to keep my look lol >being a manga character lmao
 

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I prefer the neotenic look personally. I want to keep my look lol >being a manga character lmao
Manga is the epitome of the look and Asians appear to lack as much sexual dimorphism compared to whites related to hair, beards and face.

Bambi is a cherished MtF name and the character embodies neotenic features:

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As did Rudolph originally but then he androgenized and eh....
 

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Bambi, our hero :D
I have several that live in my backyard. They are amazingly quick and graceful and love to eat your sun-grown weed. They can bound over fences with ease but they are far from exotic any longer and many live close to DC and Pittsburgh. I always laugh at the hunters who don't bag any prey as i could easily have great eating with a bow and arrow permit for residential deer.

My ex and I have both had deer run into our cars and it's actually a different insurance category from other accidents.
 

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Hey all. I am going to post something creative that I am trying to do to make learning interesting plus I enjoy writing more with more viewers. So anyway, if you could comment on my site also I would appreciate it as I am pretty much providing most of the content on the orphan @bridgeburn thread, which is well, here lol.

I am trying to do some creative things and since my recovery is so excellent now, I really view this as volunteer work. When I am on Reddit, Tressless or here, I try to answer every single question without an answer provided I know something about it. Arrogant? Well, sometimes but I have all but literally had ever single hair experience there is.

Grew up when there were no meds; had the father with the perfect hair; suffered from immediate and incapacitating ED; got a botched transplant; was among the first min, finasteride, and duta patients and being at least DIY HRT going back to 2013 and so on; my main issue is all of the botched scar tissue in places that I am still trying to eliminate via micro-needling, I am a long-time user of Keto and Selsun blue and even a former polysorbate and hair in a spray can user. I was an NW7 for many months. I get the pain, humiliation, depression, lack of energy or will to continue. I am always sympathetic to XY hairloss and now I want to learn how to find solutions for females that are reliably predictable too.

Finally, I want to do a daily question and advice column format for anyone with any question. I also look deeply into the psychological and sexual aspects of HRT frankly. You want to know what it might do to your junk then read below in the next post. My thread is here:https://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/intera...t-and-pictorial-posts-prove-it.130425/page-32
 

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An Uncensored Interview with Janey Elizabeth about HRT and Hair Loss and Rejuvenation and Anything Else that Comes to Mind.


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: Janey, is it true that you have become an MtF just for the hair?

Janey: I often say that I am only in this for the hair. I think it's clever as a short-cut for being non-binary and it makes my mother accept all of this more easily.

Interviewer: But is it true? Can HRT turn a person into an MtF in terms of mental state?

I am not sure if it's true that I am only in this for the hair. That was true at the start but eh, my theories about hair regrowth via scalp-applied estrogen didn't work out in terms of being non-feminizing. I eventually had to make a hair regrowth versus breast deniability decision because I hadn't reached my hair goals and my breasts were rapidly growing in size and roundness. Ultimately, I opted more so for beauty than just for hair but I mean, I wasn't despondent as a male and I could tell that HRT was making me much more attractive facially and reining in somewhat my rampant dermatitis. My second big decision was beard removal which took ten years off my face and helped curb the dermatitis. Let me put it this way: I am just in it for the hair but Goddess threw in a hot bod and a cute face for free....

Interviewer: You don't seem to mind being called a guy. Why is that?

Janey: Well, I was a guy solely for 50 years and that is my experience largely as a female. I have a friend on here who thinks I might have been repressing my feelings all along and that might be true. I have mostly identified as androgynous but that is a less challenging thing to get my head around. I call people what they want to be called and use their pronouns.

Officially, I have changed my name to Jane Elizabeth and I am female according to my Driver's License. I might have opted for other but that's problematic too. I don't see myself as "other" in terms of being different. My breasts make sure that I don't get misgendered whether I pass or not so I don't have that issues gnawing at me. The best way to not get misgendered for me is to be as attractive as possible, male or female or androgynous because my breasts are far past the binding point which I would never do anyway. Most of us are XY's on here and using guys for gals is something that is done in the northeast of the U.S.

Interviewer: What about the term "tranny"?

Janey: My druthers is that people not use that term and I always point out that many transgender folks don't like that term because it seems disparaging in use and related to p**rn. If someone does it on a thread more than once, then I absent myself from the thread and I block that individual. I am about as un-PC as possible and I really don't care so much about the term directed at me as I do the antipathy from the person using it. People who state that "everyone on HRT regrows hair" are suspect as idiots from the start but transgender folks who question experimental meds or threads often receive such a throwaway line. We know that HRT can work to fully restore hair but it often does not for older guys and gals.

Interviewer: For guys, they all want to know whether it shrinks your junk or not.

Janey: Eh. It does and it doesn't. For some, it can appear dramatically smaller and thinner when flaccid but not when pulled length measuring is done. Cialis and v**** might forestall any shrinkage at all but the major issue is that many lose for a time, all or most libido and since blood flow tends to be use it or lose it, it can take away the ability to procreate and engage in penetrative sex. There is often if not always, substantially testicular shrinkage that appears to be largely reversible upon desisting from HRT. Sex can be experienced differently with stereotypical female sex drive which is not compulsive but chosen. Upping E2 levels can up female sex drive as both T and E2 up sex drive in females.

Depending upon E2 levels, though, in general the entire genital area can become intersex in appearance and more so feminine than male except for the lacking of any orifice. There is however a pseudo-orifice and the orgasms are definitely clitoral in type without the flush that males have after orgasm. Some times orgasm isn't even seen as particularly relevant as most cis-females will admit, as it's just enough. Elaine Benes is famous for saying that. There is a pronounced mons apparent and the testicles pull inward in a puckered fashion which is the pseudo-orifice. The scrotum thickens in appear and looks just like labia from certain angles. Estrogen has amazing healing powers and my foreskin grew back although it now resembles more a clitoral hood with clitoral hang. This is one reason why the SRS decision is so hard because sexually, SRS is a risk and it might lead to loss of clitoral feeling entirely. This makes a vulvoplasty the best option for those not interested in intercourse vaginally. Vaginoplasties are difficult and have a long recovery period. You generally can't do it incrementally except for orchiectomy as you lose vaginal depth.

Interviewer: Now you have been known to say that you would never go off of estrogen because it has powerful rejuvenizing effects. What do you mean by this exactly? Doesn't testosterone also have such rejuvenation effects?

Janey: Not in the same way. T can increase libido, maybe even organ size minimally and can help with ED. A person feels stronger and therefore younger. But it increases risk categories for virtually everything and promotes aggression and compulsive rut-like sexuality. It's actually a pretty dangerous med when used above prescribed limits. That's why T is controlled and estrogen is not. It also has to do with effects on sports performance to make cheating harder. Limitless T will exhaust a person adrenally and age a person quickly including inducing baldness. It is limited in its tissue-renewing capacity because it doesn't "view" the used up male tissue as being out of place. It might help some with chronic injuries but I have my doubts.

Estrogen on the other hand rewrites, re-matrixes, renews all tissue and the results can be spectacular. For me, no more neck or back pain. First, both got worse and made me sore but then all of my chronic pain was gone. I had a normal sex drive finally not an enormous compulsive one. I literally can smile now as T de-neotenizes the face, making smiling difficult for adult XY's. Friends even did an episode related to not being able to smile.

Interviewer: So has your sexual preference changed? What are the advantages of incorporating HRT for sexual purposes?

Janey: I love this question. Thank you so much for asking.

I mean, ultimately my preferences seem to be gradually widening but I am also more expected by society or less ashamed or whatever to admit that I might enjoy being the wife of an androgynous man with not much beard and gorgeous hair. Hopefully with a large penis of substantial girth. But I still am a little conflicted about being gay more so than being transgender. For males raised like me by fathers who had been in the military, wanting to be a sissy is shameful so I could never reconcile that. And according to Ephemeral Kitten, I was just repressed.

Anyway, last March, guy number one made a sincere try that was nigh close to assault, almost hilariously with my feet in the air, him trying to kiss me and holding me down with me pushing him with both hands back to the passenger side of the car. I think he kissed my cheeks only though but maybe the lips with a peck. But as soon as I got upright, I noticed that "he had it out" as quoted by Elaine Benis. And it was considerable.

We were supposed to be only vaping but maybe I am a tease? I had slacks on luckily and I used to only wear dresses and shorts or photograph Janey like that.

He was married and was supposed to already be home with the bar's take-out burgers and fries. This was pretty much the first day that I put on the wig so I am curious to see what my future holds. I still feel kind of guilty for turning him down as he was worthy so I don't know if I am getting gayer or not because back then I had very low libido still which is far from true now.

And in reference to using HRT to enhance sexuality in general, absolutely. Historically, male tops prefer slight, hairless, non-balding XY's with tiny penises and testicles. But it could be hard to find those exact packages all together. Now, with HRT, sissies attracted to men, can carefully calibrate hair, body hair, flaccid penis size and testicle reversion. All of this is good for daddies,too and I do often feel sorry for those guys<winks>. It's not their fault that they are drawn to anything remotely female like a typical hairless pair of buttocks.

The Greeks prized the boys who were tiniest and wrote poems about how horrible puberty was to beauty of boys. It was and is true and not speaking of anything illegal, but the eye interest in tiny genitalia is keen in many XY's. As some of us know, many of them are married but prefer males for sex because it seems like more of a challenge to get or because it turns them on to see how tiny femmes are compared to them and it turns femmes on as well. The contrast is very sexual and base.
 

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Gynecomastia (breast growth) is a very common(>10%) side effect with Bicalutamide, decreased libido/erectile dysfunction is common(1-10%)

"Gynecomastia occurs in up to 80% of men treated with bicalutamide monotherapy, though is of only mild-to-moderate severity in more than 90% of affected men. In addition to breast changes, physical feminization and demasculinization in general, including reduced body hair growth, decreased muscle mass and strength, feminine changes in fat mass and distribution, reduced penile length, and decreased semen/ejaculate volume, may occur in men. "

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Gynecomastia (breast growth) is a very common(>10%) side effect with Bicalutamide, decreased libido/erectile dysfunction is common(1-10%)

"Gynecomastia occurs in up to 80% of men treated with bicalutamide monotherapy, though is of only mild-to-moderate severity in more than 90% of affected men. In addition to breast changes, physical feminization and demasculinization in general, including reduced body hair growth, decreased muscle mass and strength, feminine changes in fat mass and distribution, reduced penile length, and decreased semen/ejaculate volume, may occur in men. "

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The rate of gyno from 50mg bica is pretty much similar to the rate of gyno from 200mg spironolactone i believe.
 

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The rate of gyno from 50mg bica is pretty much similar to the rate of gyno from 200mg spironolactone i believe.
I am still not completely sure of the distinction between gyno and breast development except gyno might halt at areola and nipple enlargement but that's all many girls get anyway.
 
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