Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Two Invitations

My Maryland Zoom transgender video group meets tomorrow night and my P.A. for HRT is going to be the guest and anyone who wants to participate and learn and ask questions related to HRT for an expert. I will give you a link to get the passcode.

Then on the 23rd, my polyamory group is having a party via Zoom which is oriented to sensual pleasure for all genders and legal fetishes. We usually have an edifying pre-chat and then go to specialty rooms. I often hang out with the FtM's. I used to go to the live parties at a safe house we all knew but the pandemic has stopped that. I used to wear dresses but not a wig or makeup so I enjoy getting a chance to present as Janey this way at least. They usually cost $10 to $25 bucks for donation/entry fee. There might be some slight screening though to make sure that people are on the up and up and agree not to photograph or discuss anything that they saw, very eyes wide shut style but I would love to see anyone interested in any of these.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I know that I am old now. I thought that the women are reddit were real and not using facial imagery programs to look attractive. How disappointing. Everything about me is 100 percent real. So those women might as well only show from the neck down.... It ruins it for me if something is fake.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

Someone posted yesterday that Powers claims that with Bica you don't need duta anymore but in my personal experience, DHT in my face follicles can still cause DHT synthesis and dermatitis. My removed beard hasn't grown back but it got scratchier after desisting from spironolactone last May and then again at 12.5mg of oral min. Hence I halvede the dosage about a week ago.

One thing that I am not sure about is whether I should use female dosing for oral Min which generally maxes out at 2.5mg down to .25mg plus an AA like spironolactone or whether I should still use male dosing. Most of my meds, it doesn't matter because they are for XY MtF HRT but things like oral min might need to be adjusted.

Bica won't work for DHT unless DHT is in female range imo. Otherwise, the DHT can over power the bica because it has exponentially higher receptor binding affinity.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

I am just as curious. But one thing might be relevant risk related to cost/benefit analysis. Is this person testing? Has his face feminized? So there is both a safety issue and a feminization issue. We all know that increasing E2 has stereotypical facial and body effects and less so hair effects but yeah. Pretty much anyone okay with being "pretty" has a great shot at significant improvement hair-wise. @bridgeburn continued to go by male pronouns but he had far more breast growth than normal and his face got more and more female. He didn't even need beard removal as his beard started getting light and patchy on its own without removal which is rare. I highly doubt that he can pass as male now without losing those locks. I don't believe that HRT necessary turns a person female but anecdotally and not from me but from the boards, some claim increasing attraction to males as a side effect but this is probably just repressed feelings in my opinion. MtF on here indicates direction more so than identity, at least for me and my writings.

Anyone bald at first glance we take as male. It's an efficient system for making decisions about who might be dangerous in life and who isn't. White females instinctively, if not overtly, use height, beard growth and hair length to make snap decisions from a distance about gender. They are not trying to misgender anyone and it is silly when MtF's who are very tall or have stubble or short hair get upset if they are misgendered. Put on a dress or skirt and I promise such folks that they won't be misgendered. A boob job helps here too. As I often say, there's a reason why HRT for baldness for guys hasn't been a thing until hormones became widely available because it has been deemed impossible to use HRT for hair purposes without feminization and this has pretty much always been known. So maybe this is another situation where people need to try Serms or await other meds.

>put on a dress or skirt
I am not going to do this before I make some surgical repairs to my facial bones (double jaw surgery, reduction genioplasty, rhinoplasty, v-line, type 3 brow, lip lift, hairline). In the meantime I am going to stay in boymode hell because I do not wish to be visibly trans. In addition, wearing overtly female clothes gives me gender dysphoria unless I 100% cis pass in boymode already. I think I have a pretty good idea about what i need to fix; I've measured most parts of my face down to the millimeter (philtrum, mid face, interpupillary distance, mid face ratio, zygoma width, bigonial width, mandibular angle, chin height, chin width... lol)

Most Facial Feminization procedures are not aggressive enough because they don't target the upper jaw, just the lower jaw. And sometimes even then they only do shaving rather than T osteotomy with mandible contouring.

 

[Ephemeral-Kitten]

I am still not completely sure of the distinction between gyno and breast development except gyno might halt at areola and nipple enlargement but that's all many girls get anyway.

I'm not sure that's true. Many mtfs have small boobs, but I wouldn't go as far as to say nipple and areola enlargement alone. Mine are small (A cup I guess) but there is still a clear breast outline below them, etc., it is not just puffy nipples.

Maybe this is because my chest bones are small though? If I had a more broad frame it may not look the way it does.

 

[Yar]

From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.

 

[Nimos0651]

From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.

What dose of estrogel do you use? have you seen major feminiazation from just the gel or do you also take estradiol orally?

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I'm not sure that's true. Many mtfs have small boobs, but I wouldn't go as far as to say nipple and areola enlargement alone. Mine are small (A cup I guess) but there is still a clear breast outline below them, etc., it is not just puffy nipples.

Maybe this is because my chest bones are small though? If I had a more broad frame it may not look the way it does.

Well, I said I wasn't sure, lol. I think the guys might equate the two. I could use some more areola development but either my extensive protocol worked or I just got lucky with breast growth. I have asked a couple of questions regarding this on Reddit.

 

[Yar]

Какую дозу эстрогеля вы используете? наблюдали ли вы значительную феминизацию от одного геля или вы также принимаете эстрадиол перорально?

I do not take estradiol orally,as it is converted into less active substances in the process of passing through the liver.I use 1.5 mg of estradiol in the gel,as it enters the bloodstream immediately and interacts with the scalp receptor.I used to take spironolactone.I stopped taking it and switched to a single gel.My result has not deteriorated at all.Spironolactone removes many minerals that your skin needs.Wrinkles are formed.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

From my experience, I will say that estradiol gel is the best means of hair restoration,a minimum of femenization, a maximum of hair restoration.Estradiol penetrates through the skin and begins to interact with the hair receptor.

That's been my hope for myself, well no longer, but for others. Estradiol might have very large localized effects when delivered parenterally.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

I miss all the old members from this thread. Ein, Bridge, Lindsay/DHTcel, Ikarus, Noah,... all inactive, can't gather good infos D:

 

[Norwoody]

I think there was a rumor about Antydht for being banned because his regimen was "too extreme" lol. Meanwhile there's others on here who have been castrated and aren't banned lol.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I miss all the old members from this thread. Ein, Bridge, Lindsay/DHTcel, Ikarus, Noah,... all inactive, can't gather good infos D:

Noah last posted about maybe two to three months ago. He's trying to see if using only duta will work for maintenance and things looked pretty good still. I am pretty sure his pics are still on here. Baba_yaga hangs on different threads. DHTcel requested to be banned, maybe so as not to be on here so much. Ikarus the same, I think. Bridge was last seen a couple of years ago. The site shows last time seen but people can peruse without signing in. I expect Noah to be back, hopefully as his progress is important to the community.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Noah last posted about maybe two to three months ago. He's trying to see if using only duta will work for maintenance and things looked pretty good still. I am pretty sure his pics are still on here. Baba_yaga hangs on different threads. DHTcel requested to be banned, maybe so as not to be on here so much. Ikarus the same, I think. Bridge was last seen a couple of months ago. The site shows last time seen but people can peruse without signing in. I expect Noah to be back, hopefully as his progress is important to the community.

Noah needs to use bica + duta togetger!

 

[Pls_NW-1]

Sorry for the late reply. I'm really sure that my regimen didn't cause any sexual side effects. As far as feminization is concerned, the only thing I have to deal with is gynecomastia. I figured that the best way to deal with it is ignoring it. We have clothes to hide it, after all. I still am a male, completely, though I look a lot younger. The entire puberty was reversed, except for my scanty facial hair and the effects of growth hormone.

I can just agree here. I think his protocol is pretty much safe for the long term. Its full androgen blockage in a "healthy" way.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

I think there was a rumor about Antydht for being banned because his regimen was "too extreme" lol. Meanwhile there's others on here who have been castrated and aren't banned lol.

I think it was more so because he was touting products and surgeons but I have heard both things. His regimen wasn't any more extreme than @bridegeburn was it? People can see anty on page 15 of the thread. His results from oral min were "too good" and he ended up with sort of a caveman hairline that didn't look right. That put me off oral min for many months. There are worse things than being bald. Imo, he looked much more attractive in his before pics with a mature hairline that appeared stable. Anyone who speaks Polish might be able to contacted him. Georgie disappeared and she was one of the main folks posting. Absolutely zero worked for her and that really changed my notion that females could just throw estradiol at their hair loss or spironolactone or whatever. Many cis-females on here seem to have set off baldness with birth control and don't seem to be able to get things back on track. I recently asked on reddit about treatments via HRT for cis-females so I will report back if anyone says anything interesting. The reddit boards seem a bit dead now and it might be that fewer are transitioning due to Covid19, not to mention that FtM's have been sort of banned in that they are restricted in mentioning vendors since T is illegal without prescription, even off-shore while they would never treat estrogen that way since millions of menopausal women use it daily and since Premarin is the number one birth control med worldwide.

Some times we can get too involved in all of this and we might need to step back or some times the disappointment keeps folks away. I might have to re-read the whole thread, which is like War and Peace in length to try to piece together what worked for whom, in terms of protocol. Anyone who remembers any like Nico, please post what different people tried and which folks had pics worth looking at. Nobody ever posts many pics probably due to the pain of having to articulate baldness pictorially.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Noah needs to use bica + duta togetger!

Lol.

 

[Norwoody]

My concern with maintenance on dutasteride only would be the hairline. Depends on the individual's severity and history. Some might be able to get away with it alone, for others it might make the hairline worse and might need to go with finasteride+bica, or use RU with dutasteride or finasteride. But if you've only got hair loss in your crown, then dutasteride+minoxidil will cure you. If you've noticed, most people on the forum seem to be either diffuse or struggling with the hairline. The people who get the lucky patch come and go their merry way.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

My concern with maintenance on dutasteride only would be the hairline. Depends on the individual's severity and history. Some might be able to get away with it alone, for others it might make the hairline worse and might need to go with finasteride+bica, or use RU with dutasteride or finasteride. But if you've only got hair loss in your crown, then dutasteride+minoxidil will cure you. If you've noticed, most people on the forum seem to be either diffuse or struggling with the hairline. The people who get the lucky patch come and go their merry way.

RU is pretty weak and is highly experimental and anecdotal. I have never seen success with it besides the youtube guy.

If you want to use AA, I would recommend using potent ones (ORM/ODM topically) / (Bicalutamide orally).

The nuclear drugs everyone uses on here are very well studied for other indications as well and can be transfered to hair loss because they are used systemically.

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

My concern with maintenance on dutasteride only would be the hairline. Depends on the individual's severity and history. Some might be able to get away with it alone, for others it might make the hairline worse and might need to go with finasteride+bica, or use RU with dutasteride or finasteride. But if you've only got hair loss in your crown, then dutasteride+minoxidil will cure you. If you've noticed, most people on the forum seem to be either diffuse or struggling with the hairline. The people who get the lucky patch come and go their merry way.

I thought that Noah's hairline in the corners was suffering but it was still not that bad so as to imply baldness and that's after one year or so so people probably can back out to harvest sperm and then recommence after.