Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[JaneyElizabeth]

Do you have pictures of the growth that your getting from your regimen?

Louisa,

I am really unsure of the usefulness of progesterone for hair or otherwise. It's just a strange sort of secondary hormone to estrogen. It is considered non-essential by wpath for feminization which doesn't mean that it isn't worth using. We just lack data and studies and when you use it with estrogen, it is all but impossible to discern which med is doing what. It is used by MtF's primarily for "breast completion" which is sort of a term of art that really doesn't mean much of anything at all if you read the literature. Some MtF's see progesterone as sort of the last gasp chance to maybe "unstall" breast growth. Unstall is another MtF euphemism meaning lousy breast growth.

I have seen some on here say that progresterone topicals work better on the front of the scalp and that estrogen works better on the crown but I know of no basis for this. It might be related to DHT being found more so in the crown and T influencing baldness in the front and temples but it's all pretty sketchy but what I am doing is sketchy. My push and viewpoint is that for hair regrowth/restoration, we want to err by surpassing typical estradiol levels so that it isn't even close. It might be that after years and years of testosterone and DHT opposition, we need to flood the system with estrogen to "turn on" hair growth. I have not posted pics much lately because things just keep working so well that it has sort of become commonplace for me. The oral minoxidil really seems to be kicking in after six months and my hair is longer than it has ever been. In terms of "niceness", it still lacks the complete juvenile smoothness and texture but the quality of the hair is simply leaps and bounds better. I am 56 and this is the nicest my hair has been since I was 19 and this is the best it has grown long ever. I wasn't allowed to have long hair growing up but I usually wore it about at the bottom of the ears and I am passing that point. For the first time in 36 years, my hair actually frames my face. It is all dream-like and wonderful.

Goddess bless,
Janey

 

[JaneyElizabeth]

Do you have pictures of the growth that your getting from your regimen?

Louisa, I am trying to remember your entire protocol but are you using 20 mg daily of loniten? That's a healthy dose. I have been using closer to 12.5 mg. I tried 6 mg but the hypertrichosis was the same so I went back up to 12.5mg. It's only my beard that matters since most of the rest of my body hair has been removed but it does annoy me to have to shave again every few days. I think that it will relent once my hair goals have been reached and I go down in oral min to probably 1 mg to 2.5 mg. You didn't mention estradiol but I think you are using that too. Your protocol is an excellent hair protocol and CPA seems to provide good hair results, and for some people, CPA probably works better than bica and spironolactone.

 

[franzliszt]

I guess you could say I've given up (for now) and have gone the hair system route. I'm still taking estrogen, finasteride and progesterone for a multitude of reasone, but I'm sick of my hairline affecting my confidence. It sucks that not even HRT has worked for me, and I'd love to have my own natural hair but after over a year of this still sub par results I caved.

 

[Almas]

I guess you could say I've given up (for now) and have gone the hair system route. I'm still taking estrogen, finasteride and progesterone for a multitude of reasone, but I'm sick of my hairline affecting my confidence. It sucks that not even HRT has worked for me, and I'd love to have my own natural hair but after over a year of this still sub par results I caved.

You should get tested for T and E levels. If your temples do not grow back at high E levels, then your follicles are dead because you have been balding for too long. Bridgeburn hasn't regained his growth line either, but his hair does hide the receding hairline.

 

[franzliszt]

You should get tested for T and E levels. If your temples do not grow back at high E levels, then your follicles are dead because you have been balding for too long. Bridgeburn hasn't regained his growth line either, but his hair does hide the receding hairline.

I'm castrated, an at one point my E levels were above pregnancy levels. I could see vellus hairs un a N1 shape, but I don't think I was consistent enough in each regimen to achieve terminal hairs there. I'm too young for a hai transplant, but if I manage to maintain what I have for at least 4 years, I might consider one.

 

[Almas]

I'm castrated, an at one point my E levels were above pregnancy levels. I could see vellus hairs un a N1 shape, but I don't think I was consistent enough in each regimen to achieve terminal hairs there. I'm too young for a hai transplant, but if I manage to maintain what I have for at least 4 years, I might consider one.

Do not resort to a hair system, watch the E levels and keep them high throughout the year. I believe HRT can help you. You yourself know what miracles it does to people. Even the hair you have now looks good when worn in a bob. It's too early to give up

 

[franzliszt]

Do not resort to a hair system, watch the E levels and keep them high throughout the year. I believe HRT can help you. You yourself know what miracles it does to people. Even the hair you have now looks good when worn in a bob. It's too early to give up

My E levels were high consistently, and my testosterone levels were below the castrate level. I can't figure out why I'm still losing ground, but the hair system is a good alternative to suicide and I really needed a confidence boost. My vitamin D and folic acid was also very low, which can't have helped things, at the very least my mood has improved with more sun exposure and supplements.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

My E levels were high consistently, and my testosterone levels were below the castrate level. I can't figure out why I'm still losing ground, but the hair system is a good alternative to suicide and I really needed a confidence boost. My vitamin D and folic acid was also very low, which can't have helped things, at the very least my mood has improved with more sun exposure and supplements.

Something is very off... you probably still had problems with the other androgen pathways, @JaneyElizabeth always reffers to them, as I do. Did you ever thought about it!?

 

[franzliszt]

Something is very off... you probably still had problems with the other androgen pathways, @JaneyElizabeth always reffers to them, as I do. Did you ever thought about it!?

I've given it some thought, I was on and off finasteride for some time, while it caused severe depression and brain fog, it was also vital for regrowth/feminizing even with bica and E2. Maybe cycling finasteride has reduced it's efficiacy, even taking it now consistently it doesn't have the same neurological effect it once had, when I was achieving regrowth. Maybe I'm a DHT mutant, who knows, I haven't been tested for DHT, it's expensive and not a lot of places test for it here.

 

[Almas]

Bicalutamide is supposed to block all androgens, no matter where they come from. Apparently, there are many things in the mechanism of baldness that we do not know. If you dig well in this thread, you can find many people who were not helped by Bicalutamide. The main thing for me is not to become one of them, otherwise I will be close to suicide.
Castration is equivalent to Bicalutamide at a dose of 100-150mg, I don't understand how you can continue to go bald ...

 

[Almas]

Although women are balding too. So if you continue to go bald on HRT, it makes sense to add some Bicalutamide (12.5mg is enough). Although as far as I know, you do not continue to go bald after castration, but you do not get growth on the temples

 

[Norwoody]

I wouldn't give up in your situation. If you've already gone as far as you have, I'd just take my body to its limits.

 

[Almas]

If he has reached the female levels of T and E, but continues to go bald, this can be equated with female pattern baldness, which is successfully treated with Bicalutamide. Although I wonder why he didn't get his hair back when he has female levels ... In general, before giving up, you should try all the options. I would try Bicalutamide 12.5mg in addition to estrogen, finasteride - these drugs are never superfluous

By the way, my mom also has hair problems and growth line retreat. Apparently she is a carrier of the Androgenetic Alopecia gene

 

[franzliszt]

If he has reached the female levels of T and E, but continues to go bald, this can be equated with female pattern baldness, which is successfully treated with Bicalutamide. Although I wonder why he didn't get his hair back when he has female levels ... In general, before giving up, you should try all the options. I would try Bicalutamide 12.5mg in addition to estrogen, finasteride - these drugs are never superfluous

By the way, my mom also has hair problems and growth line retreat. Apparently she is a carrier of the Androgenetic Alopecia gene

Even at 75mg bica, with my T in the undetectable range I continued to go bald.

 

[Norwoody]

I'd say screw it and go to 150mg of bica and hammer the E as well

 

[Almas]

It makes no sense to increase the dosage of Bicalutamide if it is castrated. I do not even know what to say. I don't understand how this is possible ... I want to die

 

[Norwoody]

I understand your contention, but why not at least try. Also, apparently franz is not on oral minoxidil? That is definitely worth a shot. And increase the E too.

 

[Pls_NW-1]

It makes no sense to increase the dosage of Bicalutamide if it is castrated. I do not even know what to say. I don't understand how this is possible ... I want to die

There are plenty of people on r/transtimelines being masculine and loosing hair even after castration and mass dosing E lol. It seems like there is a small percentage of people (10-<10%) who do not produce big amounts of androgens through the first (gonadal) pathway.

 

[Almas]

I understand your contention, but why not at least try. Also, apparently franz is not on oral minoxidil? That is definitely worth a shot. And increase the E too.

Yes, you're right, you have to try everything. I'm just puzzled as to how he and Jacob Williams (150mg Bicalutamide) continue to go bald. Most of all in my life I am afraid to be in their place. And I'm so sorry that I don't know how to help them. I hurt for other people

 

[Almas]

There are plenty of people on r/transtimelines being masculine and loosing hair even after castration and mass dosing E lol. It seems like there is a small percentage of people (10-<10%) who do not produce big amounts of androgens through the first (gonadal) pathway.

But what difference does it make in which way the hormone is produced if the receptor is occupied by Bicalutamide? It looks like nonsense ...
If these people get tested and it turns out that they have neither T, nor DHT, but they continue to go bald, it will be incredible. This is some kind of paranormal activity