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Placebo effects are strong however there might be some advantage for some MTF to have elevated E2 at least for some time, it's not well studied.

In any case Almas isn't an MTF and shouldn't try to go for experimental feminizing protocols at least initially. If removing DHT while lowering T and increasing E2 to a maximum of 100pg/ml doesn't give significant improvements after a year anything else isn't likely to help.
The problem comes down to risk vs. reward and what each one of us finds to be acceptable as a risk in exchange for hair. Admittedly, the better the hair, the more willing I am to take on some level of extra risk but I also believe that HRT maintenance is effective maybe down to 100 pg/ml as you mention.

If no breast growth is a prerequisite, then those guys should not even bother to try HRT. You cannot sweat breast growth in my opinion if you want to be successful. Maybe we will have better protocols going forward with Serms but they are expensive and far from foolproof and they might not be good for hair. Perhaps having developed breasts is good for hair and perhaps having little to no beard growth is good for hair so the beard guys shouldn't attempt this either.

It is difficult still to pinpoint the mechanism by which HRT commences regrowth. Is having zero T enough to regrow hair? Probably not so we still need some therapeutic level of estradiol ingestion for hair regrowth and for feminization in general, if that is the goal. But once someone starts saying that they can't have breasts or any increase in body fat or any lessening of beard growth and so on, more and more is being changed from the standard XX hair growth vehicle.

It appeared to me that not a single person on this thread except for Bridge or maybe only a few, have the knowledge and the experience to know what they are doing to the extent that they can micro-manage bodily adjustments. Trying to avoid breast growth might just induce more breast growth. So the only real option is to quit immediately upon seeing breast growth. Titrating downward is not likely to even remotely work until we get down to non-therapeutic doses.
 

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The problem comes down to risk vs. reward and what each one of us finds to be acceptable as a risk in exchange for hair. Admittedly, the better the hair, the more willing I am to take on some level of extra risk but I also believe that HRT maintenance is effective maybe down to 100 pg/ml as you mention.

If no breast growth is a prerequisite, then those guys should not even bother to try HRT. You cannot sweat breast growth in my opinion if you want to be successful. Maybe we will have better protocols going forward with Serms but they are expensive and far from foolproof and they might not be good for hair. Perhaps having developed breasts is good for hair and perhaps having little to no beard growth is good for hair so the beard guys shouldn't attempt this either.

It is difficult still to pinpoint the mechanism by which HRT commences regrowth. Is having zero T enough to regrow hair? Probably not so we still need some therapeutic level of estradiol ingestion for hair regrowth and for feminization in general, if that is the goal. But once someone starts saying that they can't have breasts or any increase in body fat or any lessening of beard growth and so on, more and more is being changed from the standard XX hair growth vehicle.

It appeared to me that not a single person on this thread except for Bridge or maybe only a few, have the knowledge and the experience to know what they are doing to the extent that they can micro-manage bodily adjustments. Trying to avoid breast growth might just induce more breast growth. So the only real option is to quit immediately upon seeing breast growth. Titrating downward is not likely to even remotely work until we get down to non-therapeutic doses.
I am afraid of breast growth, but because I have no money for the operation, I will just hope that it will not grow too large, I can hide it and it will disappear when HRT ends. Breast growth is reversible with HRT lasting up to 6-9 months. When I have enough money, I will perform the operation in such a way that I can use HRT all the time and not have breast growth. But I don’t want to use HRT all the time anyway, I don’t like feminization. I want to do with cycles of 3-4 months once a year, but for this to work, I have to respond quickly to estrogen therapy
 

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I am afraid of breast growth, but because I have no money for the operation, I will just hope that it will not grow too large, I can hide it and it will disappear when HRT ends. Breast growth is reversible with HRT lasting up to 6-9 months. When I have enough money, I will perform the operation in such a way that I can use HRT all the time and not have breast growth. But I don’t want to use HRT all the time anyway, I don’t like feminization. I want to do with cycles of 3-4 months once a year, but for this to work, I have to respond quickly to estrogen therapy
Breast growth is likely to deflate when one desists from hormones especially at the meager level at which breast development halts in most XY's which is less than a triple A cup but of course, there are no guarantees.
 

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My, my. I wonder if gay bottoms go on HRT more willingly than straight guys. Pretty soon it will be a standard request for the bottom partner to go on HRT for those who are non-versatile. How far have we come? Is it worse to be a gay XY or is it worse to be an MtF XY in terms of, I guess, humiliation. by male friends? I sort of see bottoms as being in the same dynamic as MtF "sissies" which is a growing movement since gay marriage became legal, it seems.

My joke about coming out is that when speaking to my father, I opened with, "hey, at least I still like chicks" but he didn't get the joke.
 

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My, my. I wonder if gay bottoms go on HRT more willingly than straight guys. Pretty soon it will be a standard request for the bottom partner to go on HRT for those who are non-versatile. How far have we come? Is it worse to be a gay XY or is it worse to be an MtF XY in terms of, I guess, humiliation. by male friends? I sort of see bottoms as being in the same dynamic as MtF "sissies" which is a growing movement since gay marriage became legal, it seems.

My joke about coming out is that when speaking to my father, I opened with, "hey, at least I still like chicks" but he didn't get the joke.

I'm pansexual myself but prefer guys.
 

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The one thing that I have heard from some formerly gay men who go on HRT is that they think that it interferes with dating because a person's pheromones change and it is true that females, like children have less distinctive odors. But at the same time, what does it even mean to be formerly gay but now an MtF? My feeling is that conflicted "straight" men prefer MtF's to guys and many of them prefer MtF's over women as well. Paradoxically, perhaps, getting SRS might actually diminish dating opportunities for MtF's. Top guys can get non-man-made pussy anywhere and rarely have fetishes about vaginas but immaculate, hairless, and attractive small-dicked MtF's seem to me to be much more in demand than run of the mill vaginas. Not saying things should be this way but it is a consideration. Also being attractive but not quite passing might help dating opportunities because otherwise how are the males going to find you?

So a lot of this stuff is much more complicated in terms of making choices than people might think.
Huh?
 

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In general, the fact that I did not respond to Bicalutamide lowers my chances of success with HRT. The remaining androgens will be able to continue destroying my follicles as in female pattern baldness (which my mother has), and I am not responding to Bicalutamide. I'll just hope I'm wrong. The Androgenetic Alopecia has a lot of mechanisms, and nothing at all guarantees success. It is sad.
 

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When I first started on here, I had noticed that the people trying to follow Bridge were often taking AA's without estradiol and I just think that that limits results and progress. The problem is that virtually no doctors know how to manage hair loss/growth via HRT. So, since we are all smart people, we read up and decide on a protocol. I hope that anyone not having success will look at what Bridge's two protocols were and then just adopt one of them without any changes. I think that it is crazy to try to develop one's own protocol in a male context. I think that it is crazy to use estriol instead of estradiol. Virtually no one has success with estriol. If you aren't using oral min, well Bridge was so I added that too.

Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream....

 

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As it turned out, Lena's minimum order is $ 80. This means that ...
I'm starting HRT in a month, b****s.

I will keep E high and drink 25mg Bicalutamide (Although I doubt it does anything at all in my case. All hope for estradiol)
 
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As it turned out, Lena's minimum order is $ 80. This means that ...
I'm starting HRT in a month, b****s.

I will keep E high and drink 25mg Bicalutamide
It's really not that bad, especially after 100mg bica
 

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It's really not that bad, especially after 100mg bica
I didn’t give 100mg enough time, but I’m pretty sure Bicalutamide doesn’t work in any dosage. After HRT, I will either accept that I get a little worse, or I will lower E in such a way as to stay in the middle between the hormones. But I do not think that I will feel normal and will avoid major changes due to E. Therefore, after HRT at 6 months, I will simply take Finasteride and 50mg Bicalutamide to reduce skin oiliness and acne, reduce body hairiness
Bicalutamide Is Powerless For Alopecia But Its Effects On Skin Fucked By Androgens Is Bliss
 
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