Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

[LouisSarkozy]

Ok, just my experience. These are all AAs I tried on and off E (except Busereline (GNRH) and norethindrone).

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Before starting E I tried Dienogest, Desogestrel, Norethindrone and spironolactone.
-Dienogest was the first one for me. Has half of potency of CPA as AA. Lowered my T from 900+ng/dl to around 275 on 2mg. Pros: hair was good (was on Duta as well), skin overall good, much less oily. Cons: lack of energy, weight gain, frequent headaches.
-spironolactone. Took different doses and didn't measure levels. Pros: very good skin, very good hair. Cons: became dumb, night bathroom promenades, cellulite. Also it got me sore breasts for the first time and they became puffy (no breast buds tho).
-Norethindrone. Ok, this one is tricky, because its metabolized into EthinylEstradiol, which is a very potent estrogen, so a dose of 10mg could be considered a full HRT. I took 5mg and had to stop after 3 days due to sides (gallbladder).
-Desogestrel. This is the last one I took before starting E. Dose: 0.075mg. T was around 200ng/dl after taking it for a month. Pros: again good hair, but a little more oily; skin was good, close to spironolactone but a bit oilier too; good energy levels somehow. Cons: mb some mild vein problems and water retention, but overall I tolerated it pretty well.

Regarding CPA and Bica. I unfortunately only used them while on E and have no idea how they might effect skin w/o E, especially wrinkles wise. Can only guess that lack of water and oil in skin might be bad for wrinkles, so, based on my results (which, again, you might end up with completely different ones), I'd prefer Desogestrel to other stuff mentioned here, and mb also Bica (theoretically) only if you have good aromatase acitivty (which might backfire with boobs tho).

thank you very much i read extensively about hrt experience and the nonbinary experimenting and trying not to get boobs and the conclusion is that i will have to fully commit to hrt or not at all.

the best option seems to be full hrt with e + bica/spironolactone and dutasteride and get top surgery later on



i was just wondering if i stay on e WHILE doing top surgery is there a chance for the breast to come back


i'm tired of weightlifting anyway

 

[sg2000]

thank you very much i read extensively about hrt experience and the nonbinary experimenting and trying not to get boobs and the conclusion is that i will have to fully commit to hrt or not at all.

the best option seems to be full hrt with e + bica/spironolactone and dutasteride and get top surgery later on



i was just wondering if i stay on e WHILE doing top surgery is there a chance for the breast to come back


i'm tired of weightlifting anyway

if you remove the whole gland it will not come back

 

[LouisSarkozy]

Yep, seems like the most reasonable solution, even tho it might not look like it. =)

AFAIK, they leave a little bit of breast tissue to avoid the dip for aesthetic reasons. I heard you can ask to remove all the tissue, but not every surgeon would agree. The chances for comeback are minimal tho, so I wouldn't even bother, but again, thats me, not an expert. =)

That's the spirit! Lets go, man! =)

i'm gonna give topival min one last try and if it ruins my face i will go full hrt

 

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how do i reverse pioglitazone boob shirinkage i no longer fit into any of my bras anymore despite gaining weight i want to f*****g die i miss how they used to bounce around every time i moved now im basically flat chested

 

[LouisSarkozy]

how do i reverse pioglitazone boob shirinkage i no longer fit into any of my bras anymore despite gaining weight i want to f*****g die i miss how they used to bounce around every time i moved now im basically flat chested

i thought pioglitazone was good for fat redistribution in the chest?

 

[sg2000]

Actually, I changed my mind. Don't go this route if you're not trannie like many here. This is a fkin dead end. Better do botox, hyaluronic or smth. This sh*t will change your way of thinking and you'll get obsessed over stupid things that nobody ever should care about, thats beside physical issues, which you'll get plenty of for sure. If you're confident that you're 100% a man, stay away from this godawful bullcrap, you'll only get confused and waste your time (and health) on some weird sh*t. If you're not confident tho, go ahead and give it a try.
Sorry and take care!

im not trannie and i take it

 

[All Might]

I'm so jealous of the people who barely get breast growth.

 

[sg2000]

I'm so jealous of the people who barely get breast growth.

why r you on 3 mg een injections? isnt it too low? weekly i suppose

 

[All Might]

why r you on 3 mg een injections? isnt it too low? weekly i suppose

i have E: 204pg/ml and T: 33ng/dl so there is no reason to go higher.

 

[sg2000]

i have E: 204pg/ml and T: 33ng/dl so there is no reason to go higher.

how is your hair?I mean are you like keeping baseline or maintaining it healty?

 

[sg2000]

i have E: 204pg/ml and T: 33ng/dl so there is no reason to go higher.

cool i think im one of those people wo require lower estradiol dosage cause after standard dose on the box of otokonnko (15 mg every 2 weeks) my levels were 430 pg ml at through

 

[All Might]

how is your hair?I mean are you like keeping baseline or maintaining it healty?

It started improving once I lowered my dose interestingly but I started with nw4 so now I'm just a shitty nw3

 

[sg2000]

It started improving once I lowered my dose interestingly but I started with nw4 so now I'm just a shitty nw3

nice so it seems to confirm that not too high levels means better hair growth?
So you mean that with estradiol injections only you regained one norwood?
Can i ask you when did you started balding and which side of your family has balding?Like maternal grandfater or uncles

 

[All Might]

nice so it seems to confirm that not too high levels means better hair growth?
So you mean that with estradiol injections only you regained one norwood?
Can i ask you when did you started balding and which side of your family has balding?Like maternal grandfater or uncles

early teens very slowly and then fast at 16. Balding only at my dad's side but nobody lost it this early.
And yeah I think lower levels are better. I've tried different doses in the last year and whenever I go over 4mg, I lose breast volume and my scalp becomes itchy again

 

[sg2000]

early teens very slowly and then fast at 16. Balding only at my dad's side but nobody lost it this early.
And yeah I think lower levels are better. I've tried different doses in the last year and whenever I go over 4mg, I lose breast volume and my scalp becomes itchy again

r you sure its Androgenetic Alopecia?I mean how is it possible so aggreesive hair loss at 16 but not from moms side

 

[All Might]

r you sure its Androgenetic Alopecia?I mean how is it possible so aggreesive hair loss at 16 but not from moms side

I mean it's classic norwoord pattern and my mom has no brother so how do i know if they have the genes. it's possible to bald like this when you have nccah.

 

[BRezende]

if you remove the whole gland it will not come back

they dont remove the whole gland because you would have two craters on your chest.

 

[sg2000]

I mean it's classic norwoord pattern and my mom has no brother so how do i know if they have the genes. it's possible to bald like this when you have nccah.

your mom dad was bald?

 

[sg2000]

I mean it's classic norwoord pattern and my mom has no brother so how do i know if they have the genes. it's possible to bald like this when you have nccah.

were you diffusing too?Do you mind sharing an old picture?in dm too if you want

 

[All Might]

were you diffusing too?Do you mind sharing an old picture?in dm too if you want

nah not diffuse, normal norwood pattern with crown thinning slightly and hairline fucked.
sry I don't want to share pictures.