Exploring The Hormonal Route. Hair=life.

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exwhyyou

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i like being messy and unhinged similarly to you guys but i don't get the spending so much time worrying about hair and then can't pull it together to stay disciplined on regimen
 
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exwhyyou

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the years leading up to me starting hrt were easily the worst experience of my life. dealing with (semi)unrelated traumas and abruptly realizing my terrible hair issues around the same time led to an extremely uncomfortable few years while my iq was still too low to be disciplined. now years later my life has improved in every single regard but none of this would be possible without hrt.

without hrt i would still be in complete hair depression
without hrt my skin would still be red, cracked, bleeding, bumpy
without hrt i would still feel unrecognizable to myself in the mirror
without hrt i would still feel inprisoned by my f*****g d1ck
without hrt i would still feel uncomfortable by being a man

patience and discipline for my regimen is so because i have counted my blessings. i recommend it.
 
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bridgeburn said:
I believe Estrogen is directly good for hair.

Experiments done on Eunuchs showed that giving them Testosterone injections caused hairloss. But when you stop giving them T, their hair does not grow back. Their hair loss just stops progressing.
but unlike eunuchs transgenders can experience amazing hair regrowth.

Its also noted medically that women may experience thicker hair during pregnancy when estrogen rises. but lose that extra hair after birth when estrogen falls and prolactin/progesterone rises.

studies also show that estrogen increases the anagen phase.

its also common for older women to experience hairloss after menopause.

Maybe too high levels could also cause hairloss. Its possible i could continue with only cypro, but thats really not healthy, both T and E do something to maintain bones and without much levels of any sex hormones, might get bone problems in the future.

Also I dont care about having big puffy nipples. I only care if the actual entire breast gets big. so far It's not. if it does i can get it surgerically removed.
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That’s a very well-thought observation. Estrogen’s link to hair growth does make sense since it helps prolong the anagen (growth) phase and improves blood flow to the follicles. I’ve also noticed that hormonal balance — not just high or low testosterone — plays a major role in maintaining healthy hair. It’s interesting how different people respond depending on their individual hormone profiles. Thanks for sharing this perspective; it’s a great point for discussion.
 
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IdealForehead said:
I just noticed your comment on the gyno bridgeburn.

90% of your gyno is likely from the estrogen. I have a very strong belief that estrogen is not directly actually helpful to hair growth, and the reason estrogen helps hair growth is more by suppressing your androgen production when it goes systemic. This is based on the fact that almost all estrogen treatments for postmenopausal women list hair LOSS as a COMMON side effect, and none list hair growth as a side effect.

You don't need the estrogen with such an otherwise aggressive regimen.

You don't need the added androgen suppression from the estrogen.

Dutasteride has only a ~3% risk of gynecomastia. Cyproterone is generally quoted as a <10% risk of gynecomastia.

But estrogen in sufficient doses will universally cause gynecomastia.

So my point is if you want the gyno to go away, stop the estrogen. I am almost 100% certain you won't lose any ground from doing so.

Alternatively you could take tamoxifen, but taking estrogen and then using tamoxifen is kind of idiotic and just pumping your body with contradictory chemicals so I wouldn't suggest that route.
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That’s a really solid breakdown — you make a great point about estrogen possibly helping hair indirectly through androgen suppression rather than directly promoting growth. I’ve also seen mixed studies on this, where estrogen replacement in postmenopausal women sometimes led to shedding instead of regrowth. It seems like the balance between estrogen, testosterone, and DHT really determines the outcome for each person. Thanks for sharing your take — definitely something worth looking into more deeply.
 
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folfoxorack said:
Great results ! Congratulations !

50mg cyproterone is a lot but I know the feeling, you want to try everything you can to win the fight against hair loss !

Next year you will be full head new guy :p
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Really inspiring to see that kind of progress! It gives a lot of hope to everyone still in the fight against hair loss. Cyproterone definitely seems strong, but the results speak for themselves. Keep us updated on how things go over the next few months — looks like you’re on the right track!
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whatevr said:
Without them - he would not even have those results. So, no use bringing that up as a point...
Estrogen is almost the only thing that brings any kind of results actually worth mentioning when it comes to this damn disease.

When someone comes up with a non-hormonal treatment that delivers the same regrowth as high-dose estrogen with very few side effects then you can color me impressed. Otherwise we're just talking about toys.
f*** a 2-3% improvement in hair density when as a balding man you have 25-30% hair density of a healthy head of hair.

>99% of the things you can use against your hair loss are so f*****g worthless, and so far from being any kind of decent treatment (let alone the cure) that they are hardly worth talking about. That goes for Finasteride, Minoxidil, and almost everything we have. If we could apply estrogen and CPA locally without them going systemic, we would begin to approach something worthy of being called a hair loss treatment. Everything else is, as we would say around these parts, "f*****g the wind sideways".
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You make a fair point — estrogen does seem to produce the most visible regrowth results when compared to most current treatments. It’s frustrating how limited the options still are after all these years. I agree that if a way to apply these hormones locally without systemic effects ever becomes viable, it could change everything. Until then, it feels like we’re all just trying to find the least harmful compromise.
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Mr. Slap Head

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exwhyyou said:
the years leading up to me starting hrt were easily the worst experience of my life. dealing with (semi)unrelated traumas and abruptly realizing my terrible hair issues around the same time led to an extremely uncomfortable few years while my iq was still too low to be disciplined. now years later my life has improved in every single regard but none of this would be possible without hrt.

without hrt i would still be in complete hair depression
without hrt my skin would still be red, cracked, bleeding, bumpy
without hrt i would still feel unrecognizable to myself in the mirror
without hrt i would still feel inprisoned by my f*****g d1ck
without hrt i would still feel uncomfortable by being a man

patience and discipline for my regimen is so because i have counted my blessings. i recommend it.
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Do you identify as a man?
 
Almas_NW0

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HRT gave me everything. Without it, I would be ugly, it would have destroyed every aspect of my life, and I would have lost the will to live. Being ugly is one of the worst fates imaginable. Being handome gives me positive feedback from the world. I'm confident and like myself. This allows me to function well and enjoy life. Life without HRT would be hell. I'd be an ugly guy, and I know I couldn't be happy if I were.
 
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Almas_NW0 said:
HRT gave me everything. Without it, I would be ugly, it would have destroyed every aspect of my life, and I would have lost the will to live. Being ugly is one of the worst fates imaginable. Being handome gives me positive feedback from the world. I'm confident and like myself. This allows me to function well and enjoy life. Life without HRT would be hell. I'd be an ugly guy, and I know I couldn't be happy if I were.
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Lets see how (handsome) you are. Last time I saw you was with glasses and you looked like a beta. You are average at best dont fool yourself. Its rare for an asian to even be considered handsome.
 
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