Finasteride Vs Dutasteride Vs Saw Palmetto

[Bryan]

I seriously doubt that. I think lysine for hair loss is a ridiculous rip-off.

I don't know man. A rip-off is going a little far. I mean, l-lysine supplementation is dirt cheap. I don't know how anyone could be getting "ripped-off".

I think it was an attempted rip-off on the part of those clowns who took out a patent on the use of lysine for hairloss. I strongly suspect that they had plans to use that in a ridiculous effort to make lots of $$$ selling lysine to unfortunate hairloss sufferers who don't know any better. Fortunately, their smarmy plans have apparently failed, and they haven't cheated anybody (I hope).

 

[Hoppi]

Hmm, I wonder why it is that beta-sitosterol doesn't seem to be as potent as finasteride (that was one of the reasons I switched). I'd love to see a study of the effects on DHT levels of varying beta-sitosterol doses.

 

[follicle84]

My guess is that it is because finestride is man made and was intended to lower the presence of dht in the body for medical use making it more potent whilst beta sisterol is a natural supplement found in food with the potential to lower cholestral and dht.

 

[moseymoose]

I have taken Saw Palmetto once for about 3 weeks for my hair loss, but I wasn't really concentrating on wether I had improvement since I had okay hair. I literally didn't even finish the tub.

The reason I stopped taking it was:

on beginning it I got a weird aching sensation in my little man even when taking 80mg, which was worse when I took 160mg, which either subsided or I got used to it, sometimes I would feel an odd sensation pressing on my bladder but I wasn't too bothered. Although, it seemed to increase my sex drive somewhat.

With the lack of research into Saw Palmetto as a dht inhibitor specifically for hair loss where as finasteride is, I stopped taking SP because of the bias opinions against it I found on websites and forums.

However, I still have some with me and I've took another 80mg today; that strange ache has returned within a few minutes of taking it. I really don't know if I should give it another go for the hell of it, but I just don't know as to its effectiveness or what it really does in the body.
A friend told me before stopping that SP ruined him. But he wouldn't disclose why, all I know is he used to get pain when he "got up" and it was hard for him to lose it. Effects which decreased after stopping it. He used to take 320mg per day.

I'm looking at alternative anti-androgens that I can apply tropically at the moment, I've ordered some spironolactone S5 cream, and when I can afford it, which wont be for months, I'm getting some RU58841.

I've so far been against taking finasteride because I didn't want to adjust my body's hormones, and at first I didn't like the sides that saw palmetto gave me. I guess I wouldn't be against taking finasteride for a week to see what the sides were like. But to pay £40 odd for it is a costly mistake should I not take it. And the likelihood I continue it given my experience with SP is unlikely.

 

[smitysmity]

Taking Saw Palmetto should cause you no harm. I take 500MG a day and it hasn't caused any side effects as it's a supplement. There is no way that Saw Palemetto compared to finasteride or dutasteride which have plenty of proof backing up themselves for helping again hair loss.

As for spironolactone 5%, I wouldn't even bother (see below). There are way to many things in my regimen at this point for myself to even continue using spironolactone 5%. I'm probably going to end up using it on my face instead of on my hair at this point just so I don't waste it even though I don't have acne.

If you're going to fight hair loss, the best products out there based on all the research I have done seem to be

Anti Androgen
1). CB0301
2a). RU58841
2b). finasteride or dutasteride
4). ASC-J9

Growth Stimulant
1). Bimatoprost
2). Minoxidil

Shampoo
1). Nizoral 2%
2). Nano
3). Revita or Regenepure

S.O.D Spray
1). Prox-N
2). Tricomin or Folligen

 

[smitysmity]

I've so far been against taking finasteride because I didn't want to adjust my body's hormones, and at first I didn't like the sides that saw palmetto gave me. I guess I wouldn't be against taking finasteride for a week to see what the sides were like. But to pay £40 odd for it is a costly mistake should I not take it. And the likelihood I continue it given my experience with SP is unlikely.

Try everything else but finasteride for 6 months. If you continue to see major hair loss, go on finasteride. I'm going off finasteride soon just because there are so many things supporting that finasteride works being a topical and could be just as effective with more research as a topical than a pill. Other than that, I feel awful on finasteride and I feel that the best way to prevent hair loss now and in the future is directly targeting your hair follicles immediately with a topical solution.

 

[moseymoose]

Taking Saw Palmetto should cause you no harm. I take 500MG a day and it hasn't caused any side effects as it's a supplement. There is no way that Saw Palemetto compared to finasteride or dutasteride which have plenty of proof backing up themselves for helping again hair loss.

As for spironolactone 5%, I wouldn't even bother (see below). There are way to many things in my regimen at this point for myself to even continue using spironolactone 5%. I'm probably going to end up using it on my face instead of on my hair at this point just so I don't waste it even though I don't have acne.

If you're going to fight hair loss, the best products out there based on all the research I have done seem to be

Anti Androgen
1). CB0301
2a). RU58841
2b). finasteride or dutasteride
4). ASC-J9

Growth Stimulant
1). Bimatoprost
2). Minoxidil

Shampoo
1). Nizoral 2%
2). Nano
3). Revita or Regenepure

S.O.D Spray
1). Prox-N
2). Tricomin or Folligen

you see my problem is I have little to no money, it's gota be finasteride or minoxidil. till I can get RU. I did not want minoxidil. as once I start taking it that's it im on it forever unless I want all the hair ive maintained to drop out. I also don't like the idea that it's just prolonging the loss by forcing the hair into longer cycles rather than protecting the hair. The hair is still being damaged by DHT. Which is why I hope the spironolactone works for me.

On the other hand im not comfortable using finasteride at all, I already have problems with lethargy and even 80mg of saw palmetto gives me sides so I don't think I'd do well on it. It leaves me with little option.

I could try animexil, but what's that going to do? finfighter has pointed out to me aminexil is pointless to take and minoxidil is my best option.

It's all a money issue again...

 

[smitysmity]

Taking Saw Palmetto should cause you no harm. I take 500MG a day and it hasn't caused any side effects as it's a supplement. There is no way that Saw Palemetto compared to finasteride or dutasteride which have plenty of proof backing up themselves for helping again hair loss.

As for spironolactone 5%, I wouldn't even bother (see below). There are way to many things in my regimen at this point for myself to even continue using spironolactone 5%. I'm probably going to end up using it on my face instead of on my hair at this point just so I don't waste it even though I don't have acne.

If you're going to fight hair loss, the best products out there based on all the research I have done seem to be

Anti Androgen
1). CB0301
2a). RU58841
2b). finasteride or dutasteride
4). ASC-J9

Growth Stimulant
1). Bimatoprost
2). Minoxidil

Shampoo
1). Nizoral 2%
2). Nano
3). Revita or Regenepure

S.O.D Spray
1). Prox-N
2). Tricomin or Folligen

you see my problem is I have little to no money, it's gota be finasteride or minoxidil. till I can get RU. I did not want minoxidil. as once I start taking it that's it im on it forever unless I want all the hair ive maintained to drop out. I also don't like the idea that it's just prolonging the loss by forcing the hair into longer cycles rather than protecting the hair. The hair is still being damaged by DHT. Which is why I hope the spironolactone works for me.

On the other hand im not comfortable using finasteride at all, I already have problems with lethargy and even 80mg of saw palmetto gives me sides so I don't think I'd do well on it. It leaves me with little option.

I could try animexil, but what's that going to do? finfighter has pointed out to me aminexil is pointless to take and minoxidil is my best option.

It's all a money issue again...

I'd agree that Animexil hasn't done much for me if anything at all and I've been using it for a year.

I'd go with a standard 1 month of minoxidil then and see if it works for you and then use RU either with it or a separate solution. If you still want to use spironolactone, then you can try that. I'd also recommend Keto Cream 2% as well.

Add Nizoral 2% for a shampoo.

 

[moseymoose]

Taking Saw Palmetto should cause you no harm. I take 500MG a day and it hasn't caused any side effects as it's a supplement. There is no way that Saw Palemetto compared to finasteride or dutasteride which have plenty of proof backing up themselves for helping again hair loss.

As for spironolactone 5%, I wouldn't even bother (see below). There are way to many things in my regimen at this point for myself to even continue using spironolactone 5%. I'm probably going to end up using it on my face instead of on my hair at this point just so I don't waste it even though I don't have acne.

If you're going to fight hair loss, the best products out there based on all the research I have done seem to be

Anti Androgen
1). CB0301
2a). RU58841
2b). finasteride or dutasteride
4). ASC-J9

Growth Stimulant
1). Bimatoprost
2). Minoxidil

Shampoo
1). Nizoral 2%
2). Nano
3). Revita or Regenepure

S.O.D Spray
1). Prox-N
2). Tricomin or Folligen

you see my problem is I have little to no money, it's gota be finasteride or minoxidil. till I can get RU. I did not want minoxidil. as once I start taking it that's it im on it forever unless I want all the hair ive maintained to drop out. I also don't like the idea that it's just prolonging the loss by forcing the hair into longer cycles rather than protecting the hair. The hair is still being damaged by DHT. Which is why I hope the spironolactone works for me.

On the other hand im not comfortable using finasteride at all, I already have problems with lethargy and even 80mg of saw palmetto gives me sides so I don't think I'd do well on it. It leaves me with little option.

I could try animexil, but what's that going to do? finfighter has pointed out to me aminexil is pointless to take and minoxidil is my best option.

It's all a money issue again...

I'd agree that Animexil hasn't done much for me if anything at all and I've been using it for a year.

I'd go with a standard 1 month of minoxidil then and see if it works for you and then use RU either with it or a separate solution. If you still want to use spironolactone, then you can try that. I'd also recommend Keto Cream 2% as well.

Add Nizoral 2% for a shampoo.

I'll look at the keto cream, but applying too much all on my scalp I will end up missing one most likely since I lost interest quickly. I'll give it a look though.

Would you recommend foam over liquid or visa versa? Have you had experience with both?

 

[Pyro]

Smity, if you get sides on oral finasteride, you will probably get it on topical.

I used topical finasteride and I got ball ache and no morning woodies ever. One can assume it just absorbs systematicaly

 

[Rawtashk]

For hair as long as yours, I'd go liquid. The hair would just absorb most of the foam, but you want it on the scalp.

Also, just because Saw gives you sides doesn't mean that finasteride will. They are not the same thing, and their properties aren't even similar. Your body will react differently to them both.

 

[moseymoose]

For hair as long as yours, I'd go liquid. The hair would just absorb most of the foam, but you want it on the scalp.

Also, just because Saw gives you sides doesn't mean that finasteride will. They are not the same thing, and their properties aren't even similar. Your body will react differently to them both.

I'll go for the liquid, and thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But anyway I'll probably just at RU to my minoxidil solution when I have the money, rather than finasteride.

 

[smitysmity]

I'll look at the keto cream, but applying too much all on my scalp I will end up missing one most likely since I lost interest quickly. I'll give it a look though.

Would you recommend foam over liquid or visa versa? Have you had experience with both?

I've decided to auction off the items I am not using. If you want any of these, let me know.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66090&p=623494#p623494

Do you mean foam minoxidil or foam Keto? It doesn't matter with either as the foam turns into a liquid. I supposed the liquid could be more useful as the foam sorta clings to your hairs more whereas the liquid you point at your scalp and the upper part of your hair can remain untouched with no liquid on it if done right.

 

[smitysmity]

For hair as long as yours, I'd go liquid. The hair would just absorb most of the foam, but you want it on the scalp.

Also, just because Saw gives you sides doesn't mean that finasteride will. They are not the same thing, and their properties aren't even similar. Your body will react differently to them both.

I'll go for the liquid, and thanks, I'll bear that in mind. But anyway I'll probably just at RU to my minoxidil solution when I have the money, rather than finasteride.

finasteride = Proven
RU = Unproven except for testimonials which seem to be a growing number and from people who aren't trying to market RU.

finasteride = Side Effects
RU = No Side Effects

finasteride = Cheaper
RU = Costs more, have to make your own solution.

finasteride = Probably long term you'll get better results.
RU = A lot of people believe RU is just as effective if not more than finasteride

 

[ukmale24]

Not liking what i've been hearing about the Saw Palmetto dosage on this thread, lol, considering for the past few weeks i've been taking 900mg! Although someone in another thread said i'm taking the sh*t stuff, whereas I should make sure i'm taking the Berry extract 85%-95% :/ so bear this in mind any of you who take Saw Palmetto.