Finasteride

[kc444]

If your finasteride isn't working, I'd look into getting it from a doctor. Usually meds from overseas are good, but I've heard of problems with Cipla finasteride as well. The chance of finasteride not working are pretty slim, so it's worth considering. Have you noticed any side effects?

 

[Jacob]

Bryan has tried these arguments in the past.

Is this your private forum? Only YOU can say what you want, but not me?

You're obviously still getting away with shll'n and spam'n..even after 15+ years. But thankfully, at least here..we all are allowed to say what we want as well.

Are people also banned for recommending Propecia and Rogaine?

He's comparing things that are found and sold all over the place, in different forms..in generic versions as well...to specific products by a specific company/person... that have been around for 15+ years that have no evidence behind them..running around all this time calling them the OBVIOUS choice, etc(see my posts above). Great point btw, Monty: "Nope but few are a prolificly enthusiatic whilst not even using the treatment or living in the same city as say the MD of Merck for example. " and of course: "If it were anyone else they would be banned 100 times over by now!" It does make you wonder....

Only occasionally do I even mention Dr. Proctor's products. When I mention them at all, it's because there's a good REASON to do so: somebody specifically mentions that he's having side effects from Propecia, and wonders if there's any other treatment (besides Propecia) that he can use; somebody asks if there's anything he can add to Propecia, to help it work better; somebody asks if he's "doomed" that he can't use Propecia; somebody's doctor won't prescribe Propecia for him; etc. etc. All of those are obvious reasons for me to suggest Proxiphen/Prox-N to the other posters who mentioned those scenarios.

This is my favorite. Bryan only pushes Proctor's crap "occasionally", for 15+ years, when those scenarios crop up. And I mean ONLY Proctor's crap. For 15+ years. Obviously they're the obvious things to suggest. When one is shill 'n spam'n.

 

[Bryan]

EXACTLY!!

This is not at all the same thing! However who's to say they shouldn't be at least tethered in if a person cannot offer more than a constant positive or negative arguement for or against one particular product.

Better get used to it! I will CONTINUE to mention Dr. Proctor's products on the occasional irregular basis (about 6% to 7% of all my posts did that, in that test I did recently), if there is good reason to do that.

 

[Jacob]

This is my favorite. Bryan only pushes Proctor's crap "occasionally", for 15+ years, when those scenarios crop up. And I mean ONLY Proctor's crap. For 15+ years. Obviously they're the obvious things to suggest. When one is shill 'n spam'n.

 

[azuri]

Bryan- Do you actually use Proctors products? If you do then you have every right to promote the stuff if you feel its worth it but if you dont use them then i dont see the point in always mentioning them as you may be giving ppl false hope!?

 

[Jacob]

He'll say he has used them. The problem is..ever since he did use it and provided the before/afters(have you seen them? )..he has not used any Proctor products. It's been what..15+ years? So..conveniently..we can't request updated pics. And yet it's so OBVIOUS Proctor's crap should be used.

Not even the fricken shampoo. Shampoo..something he no doubt uses anyway.

 

[Cassin]

If it were anyone else they would be banned 100 times over by now!

Easy money I guess!

Ugh....

I thought we were bought off by MERK? I wish you could would be more consistent about who pays us.

 

[Jacob]

It makes no sense why other spammers get the boot and Bryan doesn't. He can't even be told to stop the shll 'n spam'n? Please don't make me copy/paste how he's been doing that again. For 15+ years. :shakehead:

 

[Bryan]

Bryan- Do you actually use Proctors products?

Sure, I've definitely used them in the past, but it's been a long time since I've used anything at all. My hair has definitely paid the price for that, too, I might add...

If you do then you have every right to promote the stuff if you feel its worth it but if you dont use them then i dont see the point in always mentioning them as you may be giving ppl false hope!?

Do you feel the same way about people "promoting" other things like Rogaine and Propecia? Why would it be any different for me to "promote" Proxiphen, which may possibly be the best treatment of all? :dunno:

 

[Nex]

In my opinion Brian should be allowed to voice his opinion, when he does this Jacob is obviously allowed to voice his opinion of prox-n. AND LEAVE IT AT THAT! It does not need to go on for 3+ pages! I feel that both of you are very knowledgeable, and I feel it is a waste of this forums resources having you two debate this topic over and over again. STOP BEATING THE GOD DAMN DEAD HORSE! Thats just my two cents though....

 

[Jacob]

Bryan- Do you actually use Proctors products?

Sure, I've definitely used them in the past, but it's been a long time since I've used anything at all. My hair has definitely paid the price for that, too, I might add...

If you do then you have every right to promote the stuff if you feel its worth it but if you dont use them then i dont see the point in always mentioning them as you may be giving ppl false hope!?

Do you feel the same way about people "promoting" other things like Rogaine and Propecia? Why would it be any different for me to "promote" Proxiphen, which may possibly be the best treatment of all? :dunno:

Amazing isn't it? It worked so well he quit. He doesn't even use anything at all. Not even shampoo, I guess :shakehead:


He's comparing things that are found and sold all over the place, in different forms..in generic versions as well...to specific products by a specific company/person... that have been around for 15+ years that have no evidence behind them..running around all this time calling them the OBVIOUS choice, etc(see my posts above).

 

[Jacob]

In my opinion Brian should be allowed to voice his opinion, when he does this Jacob is obviously allowed to voice his opinion of prox-n. AND LEAVE IT AT THAT! It does not need to go on for 3+ pages! I feel that both of you are very knowledgeable, and I feel it is a waste of this forums resources having you two debate this topic over and over again. STOP BEATING THE GOD DAMN DEAD HORSE! Thats just my two cents though....

I'm waiting for an answer on my question..and I'll touch on it here w/out asking it again- since Bryan's "opinion" is pure shill'n...for 15+ years...the best thing to do and the most commonsensical thing to do is to ask him to stop doing it. There is absolutely no reason for him to go running around saying what he's saying...for even another 15+ minutes.

Otherwise I agree with you :woot:

 

[azuri]

Do you feel the same way about people "promoting" other things like Rogaine and Propecia? Why would it be any different for me to "promote" Proxiphen, which may possibly be the best treatment of all?

Possibly, but very unlikely that it would be better than Rogaine & Propecia? The difference is that these two products are backed by many many users who have claimed both good and bad results, giving the consumer enough info to make their own conclusion, unlike proxiphen where its the complete opposite and furthermore, a shady website. However, there isnt nothing i would want more than a different product that would give you better results other than just rogain & propecia. My humble opinion

Amazing isn't it? It worked so well he quit. He doesn't even use anything at all. Not even shampoo, I guess

I have to agree.

 

[Bryan]

Possibly, but very unlikely that it would be better than Rogaine & Propecia? The difference is that these two products are backed by many many users who have claimed both good and bad results, giving the consumer enough info to make their own conclusion, unlike proxiphen where its the complete opposite and furthermore, a shady website. However, there isnt nothing i would want more than a different product that would give you better results other than just rogain & propecia. My humble opinion

If you just can't believe a doctor (both an MD and a PhD) who has studied this subject for decades and says that Proxiphen is more effective than Propecia, then just don't buy his products. It's as simple as that.

By the way, I have no idea why you think his Website is "shady".

 

[Jacob]

If you just can't believe a doctor (both an MD and a PhD) who has studied this subject for decades and says that Proxiphen is more effective than Propecia, then just don't buy his products. It's as simple as that.

By the way, I have no idea why you think his Website is "shady".

And yet there's Dr. Lee...who Bryan criticized and ridiculed all these years. What a hypocrite.

So any Doctor out there who SELLS the hair loss products they're promoting just has to be telling the truth. No evidence in 15+ years but gosh darn it, he's both an MD and a PhD! There are no quacks out there..of course not!

BTW..if we're going to go by that...I'd rather go with a trichologist: http://www.hairandscalp.com/kingsley.php

Dr. Kingsley is an adjunct member of the American Academy of Dermatologist. He is the only trichologist in the world to have been granted membership to this prestigious organization.
Dr. Kingsley is the only trichologist in North America with a PhD in hair loss research. He attained his PhD through the University of Portsmouth (U.K.)
Dr. Kingsley is the President of the World Trichology Society, and is a member of the North American Hair Research Society, The Trichological Society, and the International Society of Hair Restoration Surgery, among several other boards and organizations.
Dr. Kingsley's patients include famous actors, actresses, musicians, and well-known dignitaries.

Even the Phytostem dude is a trichologist.

 

[Boomer01]

If you just can't believe a doctor (both an MD and a PhD) who has studied this subject for decades and says that Proxiphen is more effective than Propecia, then just don't buy his products. It's as simple as that.

By the way, I have no idea why you think his Website is "shady".

And yet there's Dr. Lee...who Bryan criticized and ridiculed all these years. What a hypocrite.

So any Doctor out there who SELLS the hair loss products they're promoting just has to be telling the truth. No evidence in 15+ years but gosh darn it, he's both an MD and a PhD! There are no quacks out there..of course not!

This!

 

[Bryan]

Ugh....

I thought we were bought off by MERK? I wish you could would be more consistent about who pays us.

I made one comment about that when I was pissed at you banning me and I publicly took the comment back and apologisd. I am not refering to this site getting paid I am referring to Bryan getting paid...

I am not getting paid.

...but I do think he gets away with sh*t none of us would get away with and I dont know why.

People "get away" with recommending Rogaine and Propecia, don't they? What's the difference?

 

[Bryan]

And yet there's Dr. Lee...who Bryan criticized and ridiculed all these years. What a hypocrite.

I haven't "criticized and ridiculed" Dr. Lee all these years. I have ONE SPECIFIC COMPLAINT about one of his products: the use of topical azelaic acid. I've never had any complaint about his most popular product (his topical minoxidil). Interestingly, I've even seen Dr. Proctor recommended to people that they use Dr. Lee's minoxidil.

Tell the truth, Jacob, and don't just go around making things up.

 

[Boomer01]

...but I do think he gets away with sh*t none of us would get away with and I dont know why.

People "get away" with recommending Rogaine and Propecia, don't they? What's the difference?

They have been tested and approved by the FDA.[/quote]

 

[Bryan]

They have been tested and approved by the FDA.

But dutasteride hasn't been approved by the FDA, either, but it's causing quite a hubbub on these hairloss sites!