Going Bald In Less Than A Year, Need Advice

[bluecyclone]

@bluecyclone how often do you wash your hair? If you comb/brush it, how often and how many times a day?

I have been washing 2x week. I don’t really brush more than once a day. If anything I shake my head over the sink and lightly run my hand over the top. That ends up filling up the sink pretty fast. I image I could do this nonstop.

 

[bluecyclone]

what the hell. It looks really thick

It was. As of October the hairline has thinned dramatically with more diffuse thinning all over. Only really change was STOPPING HCG and starting topical Dutasteride and Propecia. It’s f*****g crazy as I thought the HCG was killing my hair.

 

[bluecyclone]

He actually has a better hairline than Jason Mamoa. The overall hair quality may be of equal value though.

I'd love to be built like this dude and have a beard. I am actually finally starting to work out some and gained 10 pounds. Can't grow a beard though.

How tall are you OP?

6’1. Please look at recent photos as it’s a nightmare how much I’ve lost in just 7 months.

 

[bluecyclone]

Dead now.

 

[Catagen]

This pic is from August 22 2020. I have a fraction of this hair left.

Hold up this was 7 months ago?
Im pretty sure it is a very small chance it is male pattern baldness, you dont appear to have obvious NW7 diffusion, you appear to have global diffusion. Are you shedding beard and body hair also?
If you really want to find out the extent of thinning you would have to buzz it or go short.

 

[bluecyclone]

Yes beard is thinning out as well. That is 7 months maybe eight. It’s been a nightmare and the shedding has gotten far worse. Doctors keep calling it a Telogen Effluvium but can’t name a cause. Ruled out Lichen and Areata with the biopsy. I have filled a gallon bag of hair since October.

 

[DoctorHouse]

As I said before, I don't see the thinning, at all. At the most you should be taking is 0.25mg of finasteride a day but only as prevention. Nothing more.

And the only way to judge loss is to take your pictures every 1 to 3 months in the exact same lighting, and same angles; from the front, both profile views, and straight down from the top, and the crown. That's it. Your's are in all kinds of lighting, and normally wet or sweaty and in the sun. And often from way way up up close to the point it has that fish bowl effect. Obviously, that close up you willl be able to see individual strands of hair when light is passing through them and/or reflecting off the skin.

So to reflect, you have a full head of awesome hair with great forehead ratio, can grow a full beard, are 6 foot plus, have a greek god physique. So unless your face is deformed then you are golden physically, and all ar 43. From what we can see you look to be 25 to 30, at 4 effing 3. I'm 27 and have way way more white/grey hair than you...which I am actually cool with and actually like the idea of it getting whiter. It's enough white/silver hair that people have already started saying stuff about it. It's srarting to show up in pictures, so it's more than 5 hairs. However, people often think I am 17 to 22. I already tell myself that will not last forever. Eventually I will look 30, hopefully it's at 40 or 45, but my point is I know I will start to show age at some point. It is 100% impossible not to.

Dude, please listen to people here they (we) are not lying to you. You physically are golden at 43. In the 99.99% percentile on all fronts. Even if you lost your hair you'd still be in the 90% percentile and somebody should still be able to live a happy life with no hair. People do it everyday. That's not to say that hair loss is not worrisome because it is, a lot.

Your mind is where the trouble hides. Admit it and tell your self this then you know what the enemy is at the very least. I am 27 and I am trying my best to ignore my mind. It has reaked havoc in my life for 7ish years now with depression, anxiety, etc. I am finally putting myself out there more and more. Trying to gain weight and build muscle. I try not to think about hair loss and just take the 0.25mg of finasteride a day. Hopefully it prevents me from losing hair for life or decades. That's basically all I can do on that front anyway. The rest of my problems all come from a long battle with depression. I have wasted too many years of my youth and my life....I am an idiot. I know this.

He has been GOAT for 43 years. He does not want it to end. You can't blame him. Its kind of the same disappointment when you were rated a 10 almost 7 months ago and then you get rated a 9. Or kind of when you make straight "A"s all your life and get your first B. Or you are 40 and you get your first huge pimple.

 

[bluecyclone]

All of these posts are fine and accurate if this is ONLY a male pattern baldness. If this was something in the range of normal thinning then I’d chill the f*** out. The rate of change and amount of hair is f*****g INSANE. With the treatments I’m on I should not be losing any f*****g hair.

RU, Dutasteride, Propecia, and Oral Minoxidil. Please share any case of some on this regimen, steady for over 6 months that losing 1000 hairs every f*****g day.

This is not about appearance at all. I know people have it far far worse. I’m just trying to stop an abnormal process. AA is gradual, it doesn’t usually include shedding like this and not for 3 straight years. I’ve had 12 top derms all tell me the same thing. Telogen Effluvium that is rapidly accelerating mild to no AA.

I’m on the treatments because until there’s an answer I’m hoping to slow the change thats permanent. I can’t live with the speed or the amounts. It is also clearly thinning on the saline’s and back. I could lean of a sink and fill it 10x with this much hair.

 

[Norwoody]

Aquaman

 

[bluecyclone]

He has been GOAT for 43 years. He does not want it to end. You can't blame him. Its kind of the same disappointment when you were rated a 10 almost 7 months ago and then you get rated a 9. Or kind of when you make straight "A"s all your life and get your first B. Or you are 40 and you get your first huge pimple.

44 years

 

[bluecyclone]

Aquaman to Lex Luthor in 7 months... yet that’s normal...

 

[Norwoody]

You're the Tom Brady of this site

 

[bluecyclone]

Except Brady responded to Finasteride and had a clean up hair transplant in his early 30’s I’m getting fucked beyond repair while on a sh*t load of drugs.

 

[Norwoody]

You're still a beast

 

[bluecyclone]

They want me on Betamethazone topical steroid, will this f*** me up even more?

 

[bluecyclone]

yeah just to be clear I don’t think this is a normal Telogen Effluvium. When it started I think it was. And much of that hair came back. What’s shedding now is thinner and about a years worth of growth. Hair growth cycle is definitely fucked up. I could be the oral minoxidil failing? It really helped keep up via regrowth after the f*****g shed. I am taking .25 Propecia daily but also using RU. Mainly because my testosterone is over 1000. My hairline never changed until Dutasteride. I think Dutasteride fucked me up. I thought taking the Dutasteride topical approach would end this and it’s only supercharged the shedding. Now it’s like do your stop or hope that it turns around. My crown is also worse than it’s ever been.

 

[bluecyclone]

Off topic but it’s FUCKED up how Balding is fair game for jokes and insults. These days being criticized for being overweight is off limits, though in many cases it’s at least in part a choice.

...but men dealing with a traumatic and aggressive change, most as young men still openly and intentionally get sh*t on in public. Before this started at 40 I never imaged losing my hair. I had a few friends that were and I could never imagine criticizing someone for it. So fucked up and it contributes to the pain these young’s guys are dealing with... maybe we should be shaming the Rob Lowe’s out there that sh*t on bald people in the media, but probably fucked their hormones with 25 years of Propecia.

An adult f*****g basketball commentator bald shamed a 19 year old kid playing in the NCAA tournament today because of his hairline on National television and it’s all fun and games.

f*** that sh*t. If nothing else this experience has made me profoundly empathetic to the young guys dealing with this. I would do anything to help change this f*****g social dynamic.

 

[Catagen]

He has been GOAT for 43 years. He does not want it to end. You can't blame him. Its kind of the same disappointment when you were rated a 10 almost 7 months ago and then you get rated a 9. Or kind of when you make straight "A"s all your life and get your first B. Or you are 40 and you get your first huge pimple.

Im going to predict he is going to get back most of his hair after a while(couple of years or even sooner). His hair loss looks like classic Telogen Effluvium, I'm pretty sure its going to resolve on its own, probably when he stops the meds. Androgenetic hair loss looks much different, even though it comes it many forms it is never like in the OPs loss. His donor area has the same density as the norwood 7 area, also his hairline is still intact, even in apparent guys who go bald with a NW1 hairline they still get recession, especially on temporal points, meanwhile OPs temporal points have uniformly lost density, and don't follow a recession.

 

[Norwoody]

Off topic but it’s FUCKED up how Balding is fair game for jokes and insults. These days being criticized for being overweight is off limits, though in many cases it’s at least in part a choice.

...but men dealing with a traumatic and aggressive change, most as young men still openly and intentionally get sh*t on in public. Before this started at 40 I never imaged losing my hair. I had a few friends that were and I could never imagine criticizing someone for it. So fucked up and it contributes to the pain these young’s guys are dealing with... maybe we should be shaming the Rob Lowe’s out there that sh*t on bald people in the media, but probably fucked their hormones with 25 years of Propecia.

An adult f*****g basketball commentator bald shamed a 19 year old kid playing in the NCAA tournament today because of his hairline on National television and it’s all fun and games.

f*** that sh*t. If nothing else this experience has made me profoundly empathetic to the young guys dealing with this. I would do anything to help change this f*****g social dynamic.

Let me ask you, obviously as a NW0-1 most of your life, and before you even thought about hair loss, did you consider people in the past who were NW1-2 as appearing as receding/balding? Just curious what that's like to have the perspective of someone who has had perfect hair. I would say I never used to notice such things unless they were about NW3.

 

[Norwoody]

@Norwoody ^This is true. When I was younger, men and even older men in their 60's+, I used to think were full heads. I would think how cool their hair was and how they made it their whole lives without hair loss. It turns out ther are or were Norwood 1.5 to even pushing NW3. Now I know that, where I before I perceived them as full heads of cool hair. So what you know or don't know can change things. I still think these men have or had cool hair and still consider them full heads even though some were or are pushing NW3. Maybe it is due to their age as to why it comes across as no hair loss and full heads.

I also know or knew many men in their 60's plus that keep roughly NW1's and they just look cool as eff. If you make it to 65 or 70 with a NW1 then you just look cool, I don't care who you are. I had two great uncles, and a great grandpaw all keep a NW1 or NW0, the latter all the way up to 90. This is on my dad's mother's side of the family. Those men just simply do not lose hair passed a Norwood 2 at the very worst. Never seen one a Norwood 3. If you have that last name you are spared. Obviously I hope those gense filtered down to me. Actually the women tend to have thinner hair or lose hair in that family at some point in life.

My dad was a super thick NW2 at 48 when he died. His brother is a NW0 at 52. Other brother a NW1 at 36. I don't know much about my dad's dad side of the family. My mom's side of the family is more mixed. Her dad is bald. Started losing young. Was a NW2 or more at like 19. He has 4 brothers. 3 have hair loss to some degree, ranging from severe to not bad for 77. 1 keeps his buzzed but appears to be pretty full for 70 something, but not sure. My mom's brother is a NW1 at 43. So I don't know all my families genes but based on the genes I do know....it's a mixed bag.

Yeah here's what I would say is generally considered good hair genetics and someone who would never need treatment - NW1-2 up until around 40. NW2-2.5 until about 60, and not beyond NW3 the rest of your life.