Going Bald In Less Than A Year, Need Advice

[bluecyclone]

Yeah I would welcome grey. If this was clear cut, male pattern baldness, receding hairline etc. sure. I take Propecia or Avodart... get better or stop in 4 months? Maybe toss in some RU. Just doesn’t seem that easy and I’m healthy AF. At 43 I run a 7 minute/per mile marathon, bench 350, smart young GF., decent career, humble, grateful... it is the mind f*** of not knowing what to do or even knowing the parameters of the problem you are trying to solve. Out of desperation I’ve been paying 300.00 for consults with Derek... to be honest he’s 200% more informed than doctors I’ve flown to NYC for... even he thinks it’s Telogen Effluvium and thyroid that’s making AA progressive... but T numbers have all been good. DHT is low AF... I’m about $75k in since this started and still filling a sink with hair every mother f*****g day. No. I didn’t go bald I a year but it feels like I’m going to go bald every day. Here is a photo, 1 year ago... I thought I was already fucked, I’ve lost all the density.

 

[Northface32]

I think another thing happening is your hair is transitioning to gray. That will make it look less dense than jet black hair. There is no doubt your hair is transitioning into a middle aged man's hair which is totally normal for your age group. It happens to all of us. Some exceptions do exist but you were not one of them. I think @Northface32 will be one of those unicorns. Ronald Reagan was one of those unicorns.

Thanks man, I hope so. And your right he may just be experiencing age related hair changes.

 

[Northface32]

Yeah I would welcome grey. If this was clear cut, male pattern baldness, receding hairline etc. sure. I take Propecia or Avodart... get better or stop in 4 months? Maybe toss in some RU. Just doesn’t seem that easy and I’m healthy AF. At 43 I run a 7 minute/per mile marathon, bench 350, smart young GF., decent career, humble, grateful... it is the mind f*** of not knowing what to do or even knowing the parameters of the problem you are trying to solve. Out of desperation I’ve been paying 300.00 for consults with Derek... to be honest he’s 200% more informed than doctors I’ve flown to NYC for... even he thinks it’s Telogen Effluvium and thyroid that’s making AA progressive... but T numbers have all been good. DHT is low AF... I’m about $75k in since this started and still filling a sink with hair every mother f*****g day. No. I didn’t go bald I a year but it feels like I’m going to go bald every day. Here is a photo, 1 year ago... I thought I was already fucked, I’ve lost all the density.

Dude your tripping you wasted 75k and your hair looks like this in your fortys? Sorry but GTFO especially with everything going on in this country. We are on the edge of systematic collapse and your worried about your perfectly fine looking hair. You shed shcause your constantly f*****g with your hair. Everyone sheds.

 

[Northface32]

This could have been f*****g prevented. I am about through a lawsuit at the doctor that has insisted since 2016 that I don’t have Androgenic Alopecia.

I would love to see this episode of judge Judy

 

[whatintheworld]

You spent $75k so far? For like 2% of that you could have had the 100 grafts needed to fulfill your perfectly straight *** hairline.

 

[Pequod]

Sorry, but using topical finasteride is not the same as taking oral finasteride. Topical has to pass through the skin, and then be absorbed into the scalp. How anyone thinks it blocks DHT at the scalp level makes no sense. The DHT in the bloodstream already pulses through the scalp (finasteride has a short half-life anyway). If oral finasteride isn't working, then oral dutasteride is the next option. I might think that topical dutasteride might be beneficial though as it is much stronger and may drop DHT if enough is absorbed. The unverified "studies" they post on the internet are unreliable when it comes to success rates.

BTW the only way to know for sure is to drop all meds and stick to one like oral finasteride for a year at least. It takes that long to get proper results that can be evaluated. The shed lasts for a few months as weak follicles drop away and then they go dormant, then start to regrow eventually. Once you hit 40 the hair starts to change in most people, and at 50 you might start to see a few gray hairs showing up. No ways you maintain a NW0 until 50 without proper medication. If your hair meant this much you should have gone straight to oral finasteride and rode out the sides like many others (including myself) have done to see the result. I had groin pains and dizziness in the beginning but that went away after 6 weeks. The body gets a new balance to itself and you will notice a testosterone boost due to the lack of DHT if all goes well. Anyway, good luck. I think you will agree with me eventually, but if you wait too long, you will have lost a lot more hair.

PS DHT level is all relative. Unless you have the original DHT tests before you started taking meds then it is pretty meaningless. None of us know what level each of our hair follicles respond to it either. You may have a low level naturally and that is why your hair stayed almost a NW0 for so many years, but now it is tired and getting sensitive. Unless it is well below what you had earlier, that may be the problem.

 

[bluecyclone]

Sorry, but using topical finasteride is not the same as taking oral finasteride. Topical has to pass through the skin, and then be absorbed into the scalp. How anyone thinks it blocks DHT at the scalp level makes no sense. The DHT in the bloodstream already pulses through the scalp (finasteride has a short half-life anyway). If oral finasteride isn't working, then oral dutasteride is the next option. I might think that topical dutasteride might be beneficial though as it is much stronger and may drop DHT if enough is absorbed. The unverified "studies" they post on the internet are unreliable when it comes to success rates.

BTW the only way to know for sure is to drop all meds and stick to one like oral finasteride for a year at least. It takes that long to get proper results that can be evaluated. The shed lasts for a few months as weak follicles drop away and then they go dormant, then start to regrow eventually. Once you hit 40 the hair starts to change in most people, and at 50 you might start to see a few gray hairs showing up. No ways you maintain a NW0 until 50 without proper medication. If your hair meant this much you should have gone straight to oral finasteride and rode out the sides like many others (including myself) have done to see the result. I had groin pains and dizziness in the beginning but that went away after 6 weeks. The body gets a new balance to itself and you will notice a testosterone boost due to the lack of DHT if all goes well. Anyway, good luck. I think you will agree with me eventually, but if you wait too long, you will have lost a lot more hair.

PS DHT level is all relative. Unless you have the original DHT tests before you started taking meds then it is pretty meaningless. None of us know what level each of our hair follicles respond to it either. You may have a low level naturally and that is why your hair stayed almost a NW0 for so many years, but now it is tired and getting sensitive. Unless it is well below what you had earlier, that may be the problem.

Thanks had labs fine before I touched Finasteride DHT was 24, in the summer when my hair at least felt better DHT was 45, now it’s 15 and I’m shedding/thinning faster than ever. The big change is the up until this year I was dealing with crown vertex diffuse. As of October when I went to oral Finasteride and dropped HCG I thinner fast and hairline including forelock diffused like crazy and hair changed.

I’m going to give an oral medication another run but the sides hit me hard. I still think I need RU or something.

1. Topical Dutasteride, oral minoxidil
2. Avodart, oral minoxidil
3. Propecia, oral minoxidil

maybe RU with all of the above?

They say a year but a few doctors not that they know sh*t, say you can know in 6 months if something is work. I would have started with Propecia but for two years everyone told me it was chronic Telogen Effluvium not male pattern baldness. The straight hairline and diffusing gave me reason to believe them.

 

[Kambrira159]

Lol you spent 75k usd. What a f*cking mong.

 

[Kambrira159]

Sorry, but using topical finasteride is not the same as taking oral finasteride. Topical has to pass through the skin, and then be absorbed into the scalp. How anyone thinks it blocks DHT at the scalp level makes no sense.

Welcome to bro science. Read some studies and come back. Don't agree with dozens of studies on topical applications? go do a PHD and come back in 20 years. f*****g retard.

 

[bluecyclone]

Welcome to bro science. Read some studies and come back. Don't agree with dozens of studies on topical applications? go do a PHD and come back in 20 years. f*****g retard.

Thanks. This is a big sticking point for me. As I got sides on the oral meds. But tolerated the topical at 1%... still lost ground. It would impact my choice to switch to topical Dutasteride versus Avodart.

some of the 75k went into travel to see Doctors and Stanford, Mayo, Florida, and the U.K... all a waste all mixed opinions about what’s going in usual response is 15-25% aging AA, 75% something else... all think it is progressive due to the baseline...

Any thoughts on the concept that you can tank your DHT with Dutasteride but still loose hair because of test?

 

[Pequod]

Welcome to bro science. Read some studies and come back. Don't agree with dozens of studies on topical applications? go do a PHD and come back in 20 years. f*****g retard.

It hasn't been FDA approved for the topical drug for a reason, You obviously have no understanding on how studies are done. Just look at the news today of the fake data used for a hydroxychloroquine study. Good luck.

 

[Kambrira159]

It hasn't been FDA approved for the topical drug for a reason, You obviously have no understanding on how studies are done. Just look at the news today of the fake data used for a hydroxychloroquine study.

The reason it hasn't been approved previously for years is because it causes side effects for women (birth mutations) when rubbed off.

And just because it isn't FDA approved doesn't mean it doesn't work. You dumb f***.

Dutasteride isn't approved for hair loss by the FDA either.

How about you read some studies from the journal of dermatology and dozens of others which show it working.

Ironically a topical finasteride product will be coming out in Europe which will be approved.

But let's not stop you from being a retard.

 

[Pequod]

Froggy I looked back and see nothing intelligent in your last 25 posts, thanks. Some day when you get old enough you will see those that waited for the products that were promised years ago and never materialized, yet had wonderful studies on how effective they were, are done. Finasteride is an oral hair loss drug for a reason, just like minoxidil is a topical for a reason, but nevermind, you know it all. This guy has listened to advice like yours, and he has lost three years doing it. I expect he will lose another 3 more, and then realize his mistake too late. BTW products that can't get FDA approval are often done in Europe because they have an easier path to sales, but that doesn't mean they are always effective. An FDA approval is the gold standard for a drug. If it's so effective then why no FDA studies? Why run off to Europe with it? The dumbest thing I ever read in here was the guy who wanted his hair to fall out so he could get a transplant. Keep up the good work.

 

[Kambrira159]

Cool when you are old enough to look at some scientific studies come back.

For now just go off the 0 IQ in your head.
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[bluecyclone]

This is confusing. Is the consensus that any topical AA only works as much as what is absorbed systemically.

 

[bluecyclone]

Also isn’t it conventional knowledge that for the same reason Finasteride might work best orally that minoxidil also works best orally? Even and consistent distribution to all follicles etc?

 

[Kambrira159]

This is confusing. Is the consensus that any topical AA only works as much as what is absorbed systemically.

The guy is f*****g retarded so who knows.

Read scientific studies and f*** off.

 

[bluecyclone]

Ha so you believe in the efficacy of topicals I take it? There’s a good bit of support that it works.

 

[Anatoly]

Also isn’t it conventional knowledge that for the same reason Finasteride might work best orally that minoxidil also works best orally? Even and consistent distribution to all follicles etc?

You may try both oral and topical minoxidil. Besides absorption factors, a topical solution may fail to get metabolised effectively in the scalp of some individuals who therefore benefit more from oral minoxidil, e.g. https://www.karger.com/article/FullText/488011

 

[Kambrira159]

Ha so you believe in the efficacy of topicals I take it? There’s a good bit of support that it works.

Yes I trust 50+ scientific studies over the span of 30 years more than a resident internet retard.