Going Grey

[Cassin]

Here are the ingredients in Folligen spray: Purified Water, Aloe Vera Gel, Hydrolyzed Soy Protein, Glycerin, Polysorbate-20, Allantoin, Cupric Sulfate, Diazolinydinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Herbal Fragrance.

Nothing too fancy or expensive.

D.

drinkrum

You think you can buy that stuff in small enough amounts to better the price of a bottle? Plus you must equate your time vs cost, and lets not forget filtering which Dr Pickart claims is the hardest aspect of making usefull copper-peptide solutions.

But hey, have at it.

 

[mvpsoft]

So you're going to buy those ingredients in bulk, mix them up yourself, and do it for less than about $90 per year, which is about what it costs to use Folligen (240 ml per bottle, 2ml applied per day, which works out to 730 ml per year, or about three bottles, at $30 per bottle)? And have a stable solution that you know will be effective? You're sure that by buying a generic version of Cupric Sulfate, for example, that you're getting the same peptides that are in Folligen?

 

[drinkrum]

So you're going to buy those ingredients in bulk, mix them up yourself, and do it for less than about $90 per year, which is about what it costs to use Folligen (240 ml per bottle, 2ml applied per day, which works out to 730 ml per year, or about three bottles, at $30 per bottle)? And have a stable solution that you know will be effective? You're sure that by buying a generic version of Cupric Sulfate, for example, that you're getting the same peptides that are in Folligen?

Just posing the idea for thought, mvpsoft. If it's only $90/year, that's cheap. I was under the impression it was $30/month, so $360/year.

D.

 

[Bismarck]

How is Folligen expensive? The peptides in it are patented -- you can only get them by licensing them from Pickart, or you can get the version that Procyte uses by licensing it from Procyte. What am I missing here? Neither product is simply generic copper in aquaeous solution, they are comprised of specific copper peptides, which are patented.

Do you have link or so to the patent. If it is patented, it must have been said what has been patented, i.e. the chemical name of these peptides.

 

[drinkrum]

How is Folligen expensive? The peptides in it are patented -- you can only get them by licensing them from Pickart, or you can get the version that Procyte uses by licensing it from Procyte. What am I missing here? Neither product is simply generic copper in aquaeous solution, they are comprised of specific copper peptides, which are patented.

Do you have link or so to the patent. If it is patented, it must have been said what has been patented, i.e. the chemical name of these peptides.

I posted the link to the chemicals in Folligen, Bis. Just read up a couple posts in this same thread.

D.

 

[juststarting]

I heard once that greying people seem to not go bald as often. Sounded like an old wives tale to me...

 

[Hotlegs]

I heard once that greying people seem to not go bald as often. Sounded like an old wives tale to me...

No this is incorrect, lots of bald people have grey hair.


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[drinkrum]

I heard once that greying people seem to not go bald as often. Sounded like an old wives tale to me...

No this is incorrect, lots of bald people have grey hair.


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Tell you what, I'd trade in my thinning hair for gray hair any day. Girls love that Tom Cruise look in Collateral. The graying hair adds some character.

D.

 

[thin=depressed]

I read an MD post once on another site that he has applied vitamin B and aminos to his scalp with success.

 

[too bald too furious]

Cassin,

please rectify this in your signature :lol: :lol:

1 mg Finasteride (Proscar)
5 mg Minoxidil (Dr lees)
Tricomin (Copper-Peptides)
3% salicylic acid (T/SAL)
1% Ketoconazole (Nizora)l

 

[Greg1]

Moderator and Cassin, you guys sure keep us all in the loop It sounds like the Moderator has got kids that are getting older? Before my daugher came along (she's Daddy's baby girl even though only sevenI didn't have very much but now, the blessing (and I DO mean that!) of having a kiddo, has given me de grey.

 

[DaveA]

Funny...I wouldn't mind gray hair in the least. I would just be happy if I still had hair to go gray.

 

[mvpsoft]

How is Folligen expensive? The peptides in it are patented -- you can only get them by licensing them from Pickart, or you can get the version that Procyte uses by licensing it from Procyte. What am I missing here? Neither product is simply generic copper in aquaeous solution, they are comprised of specific copper peptides, which are patented.

Do you have link or so to the patent. If it is patented, it must have been said what has been patented, i.e. the chemical name of these peptides.

I don't have the link, but I'm sure you can find it by doing a search, as patents are in the public domain. Just look for all patents held by Loren Pickart.

 

[The Gardener]

Personally, I don't think there is much you can do to reverse greying hair. I have heard the anecdotal reports of copper peptides helping with greying, perhaps they might help PREVENT greying, but I can't imagine them REVERSING greying on a large scale unless perhaps it is caught early.

Grey hairs occur with ageing as your melanocytes peter out over time. It occurs all over the body, not just in your hair, but also in your skin as well. I just can't imagine that copper peptides, or even more so a vitamin B solution, could stop this.

There is a pill that some French researchers, I believe, have developed that has shown to prevent greying by keeping melanocyte activity at the cellular level high. However, even this pill has had no luck in reversing it.

I'm graying, and copper peptides have done jack sh*t for me in that regard.

:evil:

 

[johnny-at-sea]

melancor.
does anyone have an experience with this stuff?

 

[jpzss]

I've been using Melancor for about 3 months. I can't really say it's doing too much. I had a lot of gray on the sides and it appears about the same. For a couple of weeks I thought it was going down, but I just got a haircut and it seems about the same. But they say it takes up to 6 months to see any difference. Who knows, I'll keep trying until then, I bought a 6 month supply. :wink:

 

[The Gardener]

Melancor-NH is backed by clinical trials documenting its ability to visibly revive dead hair cells ... When the melanocytes stop producing these pigments, we sprout a transparent hair, which appears an unsightly grey due to the color of the dead cells that comprimise the strand ... Melancor works to revatilize these dead cells that comprimise strands"

Bullshit. ALL hair is dead, whether it be brown or red or white.

It wouldn't surprise me if this stuff is Melanin, Saw Palmetto, and Vitamin B. All sold in a neat pill for $40 a month.

Now, I am NOT saying it doesn't work or making any statement of opinion on it. This stuff might work. However, if it does, they certainly are dumbing-down their marketing to a point where it belies the actual chemistry behind greying.

 

[mvpsoft]

[quote="Melancor website":66525]Melancor-NH is backed by clinical trials documenting its ability to visibly revive dead hair cells ... When the melanocytes stop producing these pigments, we sprout a transparent hair, which appears an unsightly grey due to the color of the dead cells that comprimise the strand ... Melancor works to revatilize these dead cells that comprimise strands"

Bullshit. ALL hair is dead, whether it be brown or red or white.[/quote:66525]
You misread the quote. It doesn't say that hair is living, or that it makes hair come alive, or that it brings cells back to life. What it says is that it "revitalizes" the dead cells. Now, that's certainly marketing talk, but don't misread it for that reason. All it means is that it brings back color to the hair shaft, not that it brings the hair shaft back to life.

I had minimal gray, but at 48 I definitely had some. I now have none. I have been using only Melancor and Folligen on my hair. I used to use Youthhair, which is a Grecian Formula knockoff, but I haven't used that on my head for two months now.

I was very skeptical of Melancor, but it appears to be working for me. I don't think it's the copper peptides, since I don't put them on the side of my head, where the gray hair was.

The people who make Melancor claim it works for about 75% of people who use it for six months or longer. I don't know whether that is true or not, but I've been using it four months.

As far as why copper peptides might work, did you see the quote from Pickart that I posted? You can doubt it if you like, but it is plausible, and he ought to know better than either of us. Folligen is not sold as an anti-gray product, so that statement is not marketing hype.

 

[The Gardener]

mvpsoft, I hear you and you are right. First off, I don't necessarily doubt Melancor's effectiveness and tried to word my statement as to not slander the actual product. However, I HATE reading these hair product ads where they sex up the language. Perhaps it is just because I have seen too many fraudulent miracle drugs where they word things in an overly simplistic way to sell, that I have an innate revulsion to it.

So, I hope that the readers take this addendum as a clarification and qualification to my point above. It's not the product that I doubt, it's just the marketing that I hate!

 

[Petchsky]

Marketing - Manipulation, pretty much the same thing. :hairy: