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Beingbaldsucksass
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Too bad I'm 1.70, a kid height and nothing can help me
Got on Propecia Today
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slipy
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dafuq? male pattern baldness isn't caused by excess androgens, it's caused by non-resistant folicules due to a genetic defect, a hair guy can have higher testosterone than a bald one and not go bald, it won't matter if he has good hair genes.
get your facts straight
that's of course if you're not merely a troll.
You have 32 posts, almost all of which are anti-propecia and more than half contain name-calling and insulting behavior. You have also been registered for less than a month, yet you go on to suggest someone who has 700 posts and been a registered member for almost 3 years is a troll? Do you know what a troll is?
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
Please, take a good read through your own posting history and tell me that this isn't exactly what you have been doing.
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I'd like to point out that some people *die* when they take a dose of v****.
Die.
Death is a side effect of v****, for a certain percent of people.
Yet how many of you love to pop one anyways?
Perspective.
Aspirin can kill a child by causing Reyes Syndrome.
"Death of our Children" could be all over our televisions by Attorney's wishing to sue the makers of Aspirin.
How does this compare to "brain fog" .... from Propecia.
Or the guy who has soft erections?
Perspective.
If you take Propecia and have side effects, stop taking it.
If you refuse to stop, despite side effects, don't go calling an attorney a month later to sue Merck.
I have yet to hear of a guy who took Propecia for 2 weeks, lost his ability for erection, *immediately stopped* taking the drug, and could never get hard again.
Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap.
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Die.
Death is a side effect of v****, for a certain percent of people.
Yet how many of you love to pop one anyways?
Perspective.
Aspirin can kill a child by causing Reyes Syndrome.
"Death of our Children" could be all over our televisions by Attorney's wishing to sue the makers of Aspirin.
How does this compare to "brain fog" .... from Propecia.
Or the guy who has soft erections?
Perspective.
If you take Propecia and have side effects, stop taking it.
If you refuse to stop, despite side effects, don't go calling an attorney a month later to sue Merck.
I have yet to hear of a guy who took Propecia for 2 weeks, lost his ability for erection, *immediately stopped* taking the drug, and could never get hard again.
Anyone who says otherwise is full of crap.
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You bring up some good points, Admin. When you sit on hair loss forums and all you read about is the horrors of finasteride, it's pretty easy to lose scope of reality, especially when comparing to other prescription medications. Here's a good example:
http://adverseevents.com/drugdetail.php?AEDrugID=338&BrandName=CELEXA
One of the more popular antidepressants Celexa has 25 times as many adverse reports as Propecia (30,000 vs 1,200) over the same 8 year period. There are over 1000 reports of completed suicides, 500 of which are suspected to have resulted directly from the drug. Completed suicides makes up 8% of side effects suspected to have resulted from Celexa. This drug is killing hundreds of people, yet it's still on the market and still prescribed to people all the time. This is about as serious as it gets, but the drug also causes the same sexual side effects as finasteride, yet at an even higher rate. What's worse is it's been conclusively linked (unlike finasteride) to persistent sexual dysfunction in a high number of individuals; as many as 1% of all users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-SSRI_sexual_dysfunction
This condition is potentially affecting tens of thousands of people, maybe even hundreds of thousands. There are dozens of studies that show this condition is actually occurring. Yet I typed "post ssri sexual dysfunction" into news.google.com and didn't get a single hit. When I type "propecia sexual dysfunction" into google news, I get hundreds of hits. Where are all the protests and lawsuits??? I honestly don't understand it.
This is just one of dozens of antidepressants on the market, and the rest tell the same tale. These medications are prescribed to children often without second thought. It boggles my mind that a medication like finasteride could receive such a bad rap when it has such a strong safety profile compared to the REAL scourges out there on the market.
http://adverseevents.com/drugdetail.php?AEDrugID=338&BrandName=CELEXA
One of the more popular antidepressants Celexa has 25 times as many adverse reports as Propecia (30,000 vs 1,200) over the same 8 year period. There are over 1000 reports of completed suicides, 500 of which are suspected to have resulted directly from the drug. Completed suicides makes up 8% of side effects suspected to have resulted from Celexa. This drug is killing hundreds of people, yet it's still on the market and still prescribed to people all the time. This is about as serious as it gets, but the drug also causes the same sexual side effects as finasteride, yet at an even higher rate. What's worse is it's been conclusively linked (unlike finasteride) to persistent sexual dysfunction in a high number of individuals; as many as 1% of all users.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-SSRI_sexual_dysfunction
This condition is potentially affecting tens of thousands of people, maybe even hundreds of thousands. There are dozens of studies that show this condition is actually occurring. Yet I typed "post ssri sexual dysfunction" into news.google.com and didn't get a single hit. When I type "propecia sexual dysfunction" into google news, I get hundreds of hits. Where are all the protests and lawsuits??? I honestly don't understand it.
This is just one of dozens of antidepressants on the market, and the rest tell the same tale. These medications are prescribed to children often without second thought. It boggles my mind that a medication like finasteride could receive such a bad rap when it has such a strong safety profile compared to the REAL scourges out there on the market.
I'm honestly not making fun of this guy, but he says he is experiencing the following symptoms (among others) after only taking two pills:
I know i'm the village skeptic around here, but COME ON!!!
Not surprisingly, this individual is also experiencing depression, anxiety and panic attacks. Hmmm... Chicken or the egg?
Benjamin36
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I'm sure there are people who have had some side effects, but the thing is there are some people who will conjure up these side effects themselves once they are planted in their head. Even those who took a placebo in the Propecia trials had side effects.
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I'm sorry but the guy that was linked above who took 2 propecia pills across 2 days either has some other serious health issues and/or is a hypochondriac. This is the problems he listed he had 50 days after his last (of 2) dosage of propecia:
This is a chemical and physical impossibility, if he had these reactions 50 days later then he would have been hospitalised the minute he ingested the first pill. This is beyond ridiculous.
This is a chemical and physical impossibility, if he had these reactions 50 days later then he would have been hospitalised the minute he ingested the first pill. This is beyond ridiculous.
You again completely miss my point. The symptoms of anxiety match finasteride syndrome, and encompasses over 90% of the symptoms that are reported. This guy clearly is suffering from anxiety. How do you know in fact finasteride caused the symptoms instead of anxiety?
Also, did you not say that looking to the internet for medical advice is a person's "best bet?" over doctors and the FDA? You are so incredibly contradictory, but i'm sure you already know that.
Is this the study you were alluding to?
http://article.psychiatrist.com/dao_1-login.asp?ID=10007988&RSID=23062877174913
I'm really not trying to badmouth Dr. Irwig; honestly! His efforts are certainly for a good cause, but he really needs to work on setting up his test groups better. This study (yet again) yields no useful data.
He's looking at a group of men with sexual dysfunction; noting that they have depression and suicidal thoughts, then blaming finasteride for it. That's like looking at a group of people who have cancer, noting that they are more frequently depressed and suicidal, then suggesting the cancer is changing the chemicals in their brains to make them depressed. I had to re-read this study a few times to make sure I wasn't missing anything obvious. Granted I am only reading the abstract, so please correct me if I missed something huge from the full text of the study.
He never even mentioned in the abstract that the sexual dysfunction itself may have contributed to the depression. Seriously? Did this thought really not seem important enough for him to even mention? You take any group of men with sexual dysfunction and compare to a healthy group you are guaranteed to see significantly higher rates of depression.
Using this sample of men skews the results to start with, but what's worse is he is using a sample of men who never even took the drug before. What would be slightly more useful is if the control group consisted of people who were actually taking the drug without sexual sides, or took the drug and discontinued without any persisting symptoms. But even here, you still have a major bias.
The ONLY way to effectively test this is put one group on finasteride, put another group on placebo, then check for side effects and symptoms. Thankfully, we already have a ton of these studies with tens of thousands of test subjects that DON'T show depression is happening to any significant degree, so i'm not exactly sure why Dr. Irwig suggests further controlled studies be conducted.
Honestly, I get the feeling these studies are just being published to make headlines.
Lead Farmer
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This is where I draw the line, you along with the members of propeciahelp should be absolutely ashamed at what you are doing. This isn't about an argument or a court case, this is about a person's health. You all very well know that the 2mg of propecia he took is not causing over 30 side effects 50 days after his last dose, I know you know and I know they know. If he legitimately is suffering from the shopping list of problems he listed then he needs a comprehensive medical evaluation.
As Wuffer pointed out; this guy is suffering from extreme anxiety and depression. Not only do the symptoms of these 2 include everything else he has listed but it leaves someone in a very vulnerable psychological state. I was disgusted and appalled to see not one single person on that site suggesting that something else could be the cause, and that he should be fully evaluated before placing the blame solely on finasteride.
NOTE: I am not suggesting that people do not continue to suffer side effects after discontinuing use of finasteride. I am simply pointing out the impossibility of finasteride being the complete cause of the above situation and the shameful influence and manipulation sites such as propeciahelp can have.
You can post as many propeciahelp links as you want, it won't make them any more valid.
Lead Farmer said:
Unfortunately I believe the fact of the matter is that Habeas as well as most if not all members on propeciahelp actually do believe that taking even a single dose of the drug can cause permanent dysfunction. Not only do they believe it's a possibility, they believe it is the ONLY possibility, and refuse to even consider any other cause that doesn't implicate the drug. I believe that this is the reason why many people continue to suffer needlessly.
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Very well said; a man after my own heart. I can't do anything but shake my head any time I visit that website. When anyone attempts to sign up, a giant flashing red warning should be shown that tells people to talk to their doctors and speak with a psychologist to ensure their symptoms are not mental in nature before even considering finasteride as a cause. Not only is this never suggested, people are flat-out discouraged from seeking psychiatric help, because they will just be told "everything is in your head".
Habeas Corpse is literally one of the worst people that has ever been on these boards. One alarmist voice among the many rational and useful ones here.
Try to ignore him
Try to ignore him
Let me ask how do you remove the proven and powerful placebo effect from the results of a survey like that where its just that individual's answers with no real way to verify them?
I personally would not mind sexual sides at all I got them on saw palmetto and I kind of liked it. I only worry about long term yet unknown problems that could emerge like its role in the brain function and things along those lines. Again though in 5 years CB will out and propecia will be in the history book so its just a question of trying to keep your hair for the next few years.
I personally would not mind sexual sides at all I got them on saw palmetto and I kind of liked it. I only worry about long term yet unknown problems that could emerge like its role in the brain function and things along those lines. Again though in 5 years CB will out and propecia will be in the history book so its just a question of trying to keep your hair for the next few years.
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What is cb?
Not only that, all of the men with persistent sides have a pretty big grudge against Merck and finasteride, so it isn't unreasonable to assume they might exaggerate.
He's kind of like a village drunk. Sure all he can do is spout obscenities and yammer on about god knows what, but he's good to keep around in case you need someone to laugh at!
TravisB said:
On paper this is what it sounds like, but has anybody tested it and had any success? It seems Cosmo is keeping pretty quiet about this, so i'm wondering if it actually works.
Good for you!
The administrators are already well aware of your posting history. Constant trolling, name calling, rude behavior, and repeated disruption of threads is pretty clear when looking at your posting history. As is reflected by your poor member rating, people don't like you and are quite often vocal about it as well. After you were warned by an administrator to stop calling people names, you made several posts calling me a "moron", "stupid", and "dumb". I was going to report them and request that you be banned, but decided not to with the hope that you might decide to come around and engage in some constructive debate. But alas, you clearly demonstrated in the "back to finasteride?" thread that all you want to do is troll.
It's good to have some opposition to the mainstream views in order to keep things interesting on forums, but a troll is a troll.
The administrators are already well aware of your posting history. Constant trolling, name calling, rude behavior, and repeated disruption of threads is pretty clear when looking at your posting history. As is reflected by your poor member rating, people don't like you and are quite often vocal about it as well. After you were warned by an administrator to stop calling people names, you made several posts calling me a "moron", "stupid", and "dumb". I was going to report them and request that you be banned, but decided not to with the hope that you might decide to come around and engage in some constructive debate. But alas, you clearly demonstrated in the "back to finasteride?" thread that all you want to do is troll.
It's good to have some opposition to the mainstream views in order to keep things interesting on forums, but a troll is a troll.
Habeas man, you've got to decide if you are just going to continue to troll or actually try to be a contributing member. You have 76 posts now and almost every one is directed at me, save a few where you tried to tell some other people why you think they are wrong. You might even recall your very first one (directed at me) started out with: "What kind of braindead dip**** are you?"
You have no success story, no personal story, no posts in anything other than threads I've posted in, have said nothing about yourself, haven't attempted to help anybody or provide useful advice, outright refuse to discuss anything maturely, and I could go on and on. This is a hair loss forum where you discuss your personal experience with hair loss. If you had a bad experience with Propecia, tell us about it! Use your story to show people why they should avoid it.
I'll (yet again) extend a completely genuine offer to bury the hatchet, forgive and forget so that the admin's don't have to be put out. If you can stop all the trolling and choose to engage in some actual constructive discussion, that would be awesome.
You have no success story, no personal story, no posts in anything other than threads I've posted in, have said nothing about yourself, haven't attempted to help anybody or provide useful advice, outright refuse to discuss anything maturely, and I could go on and on. This is a hair loss forum where you discuss your personal experience with hair loss. If you had a bad experience with Propecia, tell us about it! Use your story to show people why they should avoid it.
I'll (yet again) extend a completely genuine offer to bury the hatchet, forgive and forget so that the admin's don't have to be put out. If you can stop all the trolling and choose to engage in some actual constructive discussion, that would be awesome.