Green Tea Extract
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NYVic20
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so, after reading through all of this, should i go and buy some gte and mix it with my minoxidil? also is http://skinactives.com/products/productlist12.htm a good place to get it, or get in capsule form ; i remember that ccs posted a link to a site that had those?
collegechemistrystudent said:
I dont use minoxidil...
just Tricomin..
would you go with caffeine or without it....
EDIT:
I just received today 3 bottles of POLYSORBATE 80...
do you think if I mix Green tea extract and polysorbate and apply it...it would be ok...dont feel like applying a cream to all of my scalp...
I did some reading and it seems polusorbate 80 seems good for mixing stuff ... i got this bottle of saw palmetto i am not using at all..cuz i know it doesnt do nothing orally...so what i am planning to do is to put green tea extract, saw palmetto in pollysorbate 80 and apply to my scalp...any idea what quantities tho ? i got 8oz(237 ML) bottle of polysorbate... how much green tea extract i gotta add?
thx maybe this test will benefit us all....who knows..
ingridients are cheap but could be a good formula hahaha
so CSS hopefully you can gimme some info..
Thx
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You guys might also appreciate this patent application:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5674477.html
Which is patenting the use of EGCG in the reduction of facial/body hair. The idea being that inhibition of androgen-dependant hair usually correllates to the preservation of androgen-sensitive hair.
Also you might want to check out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10071985&dopt=Citation
Which highlights the importance of using a preservative like BHT to keep the potency of EGCG.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5674477.html
Which is patenting the use of EGCG in the reduction of facial/body hair. The idea being that inhibition of androgen-dependant hair usually correllates to the preservation of androgen-sensitive hair.
Also you might want to check out:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10071985&dopt=Citation
Which highlights the importance of using a preservative like BHT to keep the potency of EGCG.
jakeb said:
Heh I didnt know that hair was different....on the body it reduces and on the head it protects
CCS: I ordered the 5ml non caffeine one..it says that its good enough to mix with 20oz compoung means...i can combine 2 polysorbate 80 bottles which makes it 16 oz + the 5ml of green tea and spray on my head..??????
EDIT: Just found out that polysorbate is used on the scalp before shampooing so it makes it useless to put green tea in it...and then was off after 10 mins..
I don't know a lot about poly 80, except it is an emulsifier (lets you mix oil and water) and is generally considered safe, at least for shampoos.
I prefer my PPG, oleic acid, ethanol water vehicle, and I can't use cream with my thick hair.
the caffine in the extract might react with minxodil, but it it says caffine free, then it might be good.
I mix all my GTE, GSE, SOD, and apple poly together, since i doubt they will react.
I leave minoxidil by itself, though i've added some fatty acids to it.
folligen is a nice vehicle for GTE, but it is expensive. i will stop using folligen when my bottle runs out. just too expensive, and not enough proof.
I want to buy the tricomin peptides at skin actives.com. I don't know how much to use, so I will go with a percent or so, since i'll mix it with the anti-oxidants
I prefer my PPG, oleic acid, ethanol water vehicle, and I can't use cream with my thick hair.
the caffine in the extract might react with minxodil, but it it says caffine free, then it might be good.
I mix all my GTE, GSE, SOD, and apple poly together, since i doubt they will react.
I leave minoxidil by itself, though i've added some fatty acids to it.
folligen is a nice vehicle for GTE, but it is expensive. i will stop using folligen when my bottle runs out. just too expensive, and not enough proof.
I want to buy the tricomin peptides at skin actives.com. I don't know how much to use, so I will go with a percent or so, since i'll mix it with the anti-oxidants
5mL GTE? I thought GTE is a powder. I could be wrong, though, since mine has not yet arrived.
How much PPG you use depends on if you want a thick vehicle that will sit around for max absorption, or if you want a decent vehicle that will dry a bit faster. I think about 30% for the first and 10% for the second, but that is my guess. I would definitely add water.
Anyone know where to buy BHT, or at least what it stands for? I'm sure I could google it, but I'm lazy right now.
How much PPG you use depends on if you want a thick vehicle that will sit around for max absorption, or if you want a decent vehicle that will dry a bit faster. I think about 30% for the first and 10% for the second, but that is my guess. I would definitely add water.
Anyone know where to buy BHT, or at least what it stands for? I'm sure I could google it, but I'm lazy right now.
collegechemistrystudent said:
Great I'll try that.
you know I am not sure how to do stuff...measurement wise...
Lets say I get the 5gm Green Tea Extract and I got 6oz Tricomin spray...how much green tea extract should I add to it?
Is there a way to calculate?
In other words which amount of green tea powder would be effective in 6oz of tricomin..
Thanks...
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LostWind said:
Don't add GTE to Tricomin. Leave the Tricomin as is. Tricomin is a specific product made to deliver copper peptides. I wouldn't mess with what comes in that bottle.
In general, 2 percent is usually a theraputic dose of any chemical. Try adding 1.2 grams to your minoxidil.
Two percent in 6 ounces of Tricomin (i.e., 180ml) would be 3.6 grams.
Old Baldy said:
Anything else I can add it to? ( I am not using minoxidil )
I want something that I can spray with...since my hair is not exactly short and I cant add it to a cream and put it all over my hair...not very comfortable and a big waste of cream on the hair....
I was thinking taking a sprayer of lets say 4 oz and adding 2.24 grams of GTE since that makes 2% and adding some type of liquid.... maybe water?
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For a liquid concoction I'd use 100 proof vodka so the stuff would dry better. You can use water though. (I'm not sure on the solubility, maybe someone else can answer that question.)
Maybe add a few drops of your favorite oil also for less drying effect. Shake the stuff every time you use it or buy an emulusifier like polysorbate 20 or 80. Cheap and readily available.
You could add GTE to Tricomin but I just don't know what effect this would have on the peptides, most likely nothing, but I just don't know. Tricomin is expensive, I'd hate to see you waste it if you know what I mean. (And you wouldn't really know if you ruined it by adding GTE. :wink: )
For preservatives, BHT is great for oil. Germaban II, and similar liquid preservatives preserve all types of ingredients at around 0.1 to 0.5 percent. These types of preservatives can be purchased at the Chemistry Store or LeMange.com., etc. Both of these sites are great for other ingredients also.
BHT is hard to dissolve in alcohol and doesn't dissolve in water. It's great for oils though. You could add a "pinch" to your creams but store bought creams probably have enough preservatives in them already. Just don't make huge batches and maybe store the creams in the refrigerator.
However, due to the dissolving problems with BHT, I use Germaban II types of preservatives. They're in thick liquid form and mix very well into liquids and creams.
Also, if you make small batches of 100 proof Vodka solutions, there shouldn't be much need for a preservative with that high of an alcohol content. However, I'm not sure on this. Someone else might be better able to answer this also. I use the Germaban II types of liquid preservatives to play it safe.
Green tea powder is so cheap Lord you should probably try making small batches of liquid and cream concoctions and see which you like best, etc.
However, like Bryan has always said, creams deliver medications better as a general rule. I agree with him.
Maybe add a few drops of your favorite oil also for less drying effect. Shake the stuff every time you use it or buy an emulusifier like polysorbate 20 or 80. Cheap and readily available.
You could add GTE to Tricomin but I just don't know what effect this would have on the peptides, most likely nothing, but I just don't know. Tricomin is expensive, I'd hate to see you waste it if you know what I mean. (And you wouldn't really know if you ruined it by adding GTE. :wink: )
For preservatives, BHT is great for oil. Germaban II, and similar liquid preservatives preserve all types of ingredients at around 0.1 to 0.5 percent. These types of preservatives can be purchased at the Chemistry Store or LeMange.com., etc. Both of these sites are great for other ingredients also.
BHT is hard to dissolve in alcohol and doesn't dissolve in water. It's great for oils though. You could add a "pinch" to your creams but store bought creams probably have enough preservatives in them already. Just don't make huge batches and maybe store the creams in the refrigerator.
However, due to the dissolving problems with BHT, I use Germaban II types of preservatives. They're in thick liquid form and mix very well into liquids and creams.
Also, if you make small batches of 100 proof Vodka solutions, there shouldn't be much need for a preservative with that high of an alcohol content. However, I'm not sure on this. Someone else might be better able to answer this also. I use the Germaban II types of liquid preservatives to play it safe.
Green tea powder is so cheap Lord you should probably try making small batches of liquid and cream concoctions and see which you like best, etc.
However, like Bryan has always said, creams deliver medications better as a general rule. I agree with him.