Guys, This study on Finasteride sounds incredibly bad.

[Secretlybatman]

First of all I'm no propecia help person I'm currently on minoxidil looking at starting finasteride but iv'e came across this study which was linked on these forums and would like some opinions on it. I'm aware that they treat animals in these tests with more finasteride per body mass than is used on humans but it looks like there were some human tests done as well. Now i'm scared to start it.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4064044/

What you guys think

 

[Secretlybatman]

bump

 

[anxious1]

I dont know man. still doesnt seem that dangerous to me. reduced libido, and erection problems, will all get anyway, finasteride may just increase them for a subset. a pain in the ***, but for me its a trade off, considering im not likely to get sex if i go bald anyway, or not be confident enough, whereas if i maintain cos of finasteride, then i might be more confident and get a gf. personally i pick hair, dont really care if i cant get as big an erection as i used to. im getting older anyway.

depression exists for many of us anyway, particularly with hairloss. the only dangerous part is the increased risk of high grade tumours. that alone makes me do a half dose every second day.

Its nothing we didnt already know. i believe the sides exist. i believe its higher than 2%. I just value hair over the side effects. its a decision we all must make. i choose hair. i wouldnt try dutasteride or spironolactone though. i have my limits. i still believe finasteride is safe. besides im relying on something better coming along. i dont believe we will have to be on it for life, but who knows really.

 

[Secretlybatman]

I swear there was studies done showing there wasn't an increased risk in tumors but this one is saying there is, Mixed messages much!

 

[The Far Side]

This was discussed months ago in 2 seperate topics, one of the thread titles was the same as the study name (dark side of yada yada)

 

[DoctorHouse]

Ironically, a lot of foods you eat can promote cancer, autoimmune disease, and diabetes. Yet people still eat them. The point is to keep your body as clean as possible to reduce your risks for any type of cancer or disease. However, my advice is not to take any drug unless you know everything about it. For most people who suffer from anxiety, BDD, OCD,or depression and at the same time focus on their body image parts like hair and skin, will most likely take the risks. We live in a vain society and people will take extreme measures to look attractive or young even if it might "kill" us. People like Michael Jackson are prime examples. I feel very uneasy taking these drugs every day but on the other hand my hair is very important to me as it helps me hold on to my youth as long as possible. Psychologically, I rely on these drugs and I am willing to suffer the consequences if they arise. Life is all about risks.

 

[I.D WALKER]

Indeed. As our illustrious Doctor succinctly pointed out, we must make our choices wisely (informed). Once even the most ideal scenario is set up and set forth motion it's consequence(s) can not be completely determined as long as that force is in play.

 

[Aesthetic]

im calling to place my order tomorrow (monday) i dont care im gonna try it out and see if i get any bad side effects, as long as my dick still works ill keep using it too

 

[abcdefg]

I dont think its ever made much sense to treat a problem like hair loss anything but topically. If the problem happens locally in the scalp why on earth do we still need to internally alter our whole endocrine system to do anything about androgens?

 

[Armando Jose]

+1

 

[I.D WALKER]

I have no problems were a hypothetical satisfactory treatment to arrive in the shape of a non-systemic, chemical base topical.

I dont think its ever made much sense to treat a problem like hair loss anything but topically. If the problem happens locally in the scalp why on earth do we still need to internally alter our whole endocrine system to do anything about androgens?

 

[yadayada029]

Ironically, a lot of foods you eat can promote cancer, autoimmune disease, and diabetes. Yet people still eat them. The point is to keep your body as clean as possible to reduce your risks for any type of cancer or disease. However, my advice is not to take any drug unless you know everything about it. For most people who suffer from anxiety, BDD, OCD,or depression and at the same time focus on their body image parts like hair and skin, will most likely take the risks. We live in a vain society and people will take extreme measures to look attractive or young even if it might "kill" us. People like Michael Jackson are prime examples. I feel very uneasy taking these drugs every day but on the other hand my hair is very important to me as it helps me hold on to my youth as long as possible. Psychologically, I rely on these drugs and I am willing to suffer the consequences if they arise. Life is all about risks.

This. I'm going to preface my own comments with - you are going to die, sooner of later. You're balancing risk vs reward, and quality of life vs quantity of life, and the opportunity cost of choosing certain things in place of other things you might have done. Yes, propecia has a risk, along with hair transplant's, minoxidil, and choosing to just lose your hair (balding "gracefully" - whatever the hell that means).

If you choose not to take propecia, will this lessen the quality of life because others perceive you differently? Will taking propecia impact how loved ones feel about you if they find out you're taking it (vanity, shaming you for placing your appearance before your health). How much does potentially being shamed impact your decision?

If you choose not to address the male pattern baldness issue, does that lengthen your life? Is longevity more important? If the worst case scenario of high grade prostate cancer occurs, and you don't catch until its late stages, is propcecia still worth the risk relative to living longer with out hair (with the knowledge that other will judge you negatively because of your appearance)? Do others opinions of potential consequences of your actions to your own health play in to your own decision?

This can go on and on, but you have to decide what's most important to you, and what consequence your willing to live with. I'm not comfortable going bald, and so the risk, being low, isn't much of a consideration. If I my circumstances were different so might be my choice.

 

[Raz]

These studies always pop up, but finasteride (and dutasteride later if need be) is a risk I am willing to take. The lack of hair upsets me more than some libido issues - if **** gets real, I can always discontinue the drugs. Very good speculating by House and yadayada above, too.

 

[Notcoolanymore]

I love hair loss message forums. Good place to read about how ugly I am because of my hair loss. I also enjoy reading that if I decide to do anything about my hair loss and use any of the approved treatments, I will destroy my health. Just when I thought I was feeling a little better because I was at least putting up a fight, it turns out either way I am screwed.

Maybe I will take the safer more effective option and get on RU...

 

[azuri]

This always happens...
every time I'm about to reorder a new scary study enters the room.

 

[eenrak]

I love hair loss message forums. Good place to read about how ugly I am because of my hair loss. I also enjoy reading that if I decide to do anything about my hair loss and use any of the approved treatments, I will destroy my health. Just when I thought I was feeling a little better because I was at least putting up a fight, it turns out either way I am screwed.

Maybe I will take the safer more effective option and get on RU...

I am 80% sure that you are not serious.

 

[rcom440]

Maybe I will take the safer more effective option and get on RU...

RU, a safer option? Are you serious? The fact that we actually don't know much about RU long term scares me. The research that was conducted was stopped without giving any explanation and I'm highly suspecting it wasn't because of stability of that drug. There was something else they found.
I feel RU is not safe at all.

 

[xRedStaRx]

I dont think its ever made much sense to treat a problem like hair loss anything but topically. If the problem happens locally in the scalp why on earth do we still need to internally alter our whole endocrine system to do anything about androgens?

You're right, but it's not as practical.

 

[abcdefg]

If we had some new treatment for androgens verses more studies telling us how bad it is maybe guys would no longer need to use propecia. Guys are not using finasteride still because it sounds fun or tastes good its because its the only option that works right now. Until CB is out its your only real choice its not optional if you want to keep hair

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You're right, but it's not as practical.

I think bryan long ago said that merk gave men a vote for topical or internal finasteride and guess what won the majority vote? So yeah internal pill is much more convenient so everyone has to stop complaining about sides because you picked this option

 

[rcom440]

yadayada029, you had irregular heart beat doe to minoxidil? Can you tell us what happened and if you were able to adjust to 2x a day dosage of 1ml per application?