Hair Cloning:- The Ultimate Cure For Hair Loss.

[H]

Basically if Tsujis method doesn't come through or is too expensive we will have nothing. Only therapies for maintenance.
In my opinion ~10% of the population make over 100g annually 6% may be at this time balding 3% may give a sh*t that they are balding and 2% may have enough cash leftover to afford it and/or want to fork out that cash for it...maybe. Injecting newly made follicles/germs for a full hair loss reversal will not be the norm.

 

[That Guy]

Why do you think we haven't seen anyone achieve full density back from a slick bald head after dermarolling multiple times for years with only sparse growth?

We have seen people go back to, what would be to the eye, full density from significant baldness; I've shared them numerous times now. That being said, the number of people out there who actually follow the protocol or even do dermaroll for hairloss is very small.

We also have no idea what results Follica has achieved.

But even if you look at patients in the Dhurat study like that one in the green who recovered all the hair he lost (where they obviously dermarolled anyway). There is no reason that I am aware of why those kinds of results shouldn't theoretically be possible anywhere on the scalp.

 

[H]

I assume your talking about the top guy and that does look impressive but who knows if itll turn out for everyone the bottom guy you can still tell is diffuse that lighting ain't foolin everybody.
I'd be tickled if something like this could happen though.

 

[The Baldy Man]

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I assume your talking about the top guy and that does look impressive but who knows if itll turn out for everyone the bottom guy you can still tell is diffuse that lighting ain't foolin everybody.
I'd be tickled if something like this could happen though.
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That guy in the bottom pic has wavy hair which helps greatly with the illusion of density. You know I used to hate having wavy curly hair but now I am glad, it is much easier to hide diffusion with grown out curly hair. My hair looks okayish most of the time (my barber still thinks I am mostly fullhead) even though I have like 40 percent of my original density left.

 

[That Guy]

Man, I think you're a good guy and all, but I have to say that I think I've had the same conversations with you and explained my thoughts like I'm caught in a damn time warp.

I assume your talking about the top guy and that does look impressive but who knows if itll turn out for everyone

Like I say; this is science and not art. There is a reason that the top guy got those results and there is a reason why other people might not.

Find the reason why, and you'll find out how to give those kinds of results to more people. If just one person can get those results, everyone can; no doubt Follica's research heavily involves combing through the variables to find out what makes certain people respond better and what the lesser responders are lacking.

the bottom guy you can still tell is diffuse that lighting ain't foolin everybody.

So what? Would you rather that or be bald?

 

[Mddx]

I feel it should probably be stressed that with Shiseido, "reversal of miniaturization" is not necessarily a "cure" because after a certain amount of time of an area being slick bald, you are generally fucked and would have to grow new follicles from the ground up and based on the Phase of RepliCel, it doesn't seem like the treatment is likely to do that.

Finasteride and Estrogen, etc. can "reverse" miniaturization to a lesser and greater degree, but even then it's almost never 100% recovery.

As for Follica, given the results of successful dermarollers and professional studies, I still say that with a greater understanding of the mechanisms at play in wounding and how to influence the desired outcome, the amount of hair one should theoretically be able to grow with such a method should only be limited to how much skin one has. Now, it's quite likely that the first-gen version of the treatment won't be maximum potential, but I'd personally bet that one day, it will get to a point where it will be the ideal option.

If follica is even half of what you say it's gonna be then it'll be a better cure than minoxidil and finasteride combined.
Now if I'm on minoxidil and decide on using follica when it finally hits the market, could I stop with minoxidil? Or do I have to use Minoxidil and follica together?

 

[That Guy]

it'll be a better cure than minoxidil and finasteride combined.

It will have to be if it has any hope of recouping the expenses that are obviously going into it.

Occulus pointed out before that PureTech's own market research showed that most guys don't seek treatment for hairloss because conventional treatments simply don't offer enough regrowth; not because of "sides" or whatever as the community would have you believe.

So as such, they are aware that their product will have to offer superior, cosmetically significant results if it is to be successful and they are making the move to commercialize it.

There is no reason to believe Follica shouldn't be able to provide the same results of the Dhurat study or better; as it is based on the same concept and the results of those studies are already better than any conventional treatment.

Now if I'm on minoxidil and decide on using follica when it finally hits the market, could I stop with minoxidil? Or do I have to use Minoxidil and follica together?

You will have to keep using it, as it will for sure be one of the compounds they use after the wounding therapy.

 

[H]

Man, I think you're a good guy and all, but I have to say that I think I've had the same conversations with you and explained my thoughts like I'm caught in a damn time warp.



Like I say; this is science and not art. There is a reason that the top guy got those results and there is a reason why other people might not.

Find the reason why, and you'll find out how to give those kinds of results to more people. If just one person can get those results, everyone can; no doubt Follica's research heavily involves combing through the variables to find out what makes certain people respond better and what the lesser responders are lacking.



So what? Would you rather that or be bald?

I do have you explain alot lol i guess I'm just really trying to empathize with your perspective but I just can't wish I could but I am just not sold on Follica. I've been through most of the stages of diffuse balding and for me they all felt the same being a little diffuse sucked as much as being severely diffuse its all the same to me. I just don't really want to compromise with hair it's a full head of hair all of it or I'll just stay the way I am and save my money if I wanted a few more sparse hairs I'd get a transplant itd be the same and I wouldn't have to wait.

should theoretically be able to grow with such a method should only be limited to how much skin one has

This caught my attention and I kinda thought it made sense and then I wondered about the dhurat which is why I asked. If all they achieve is bringing me back to a little less but still diffuse hair the reason I wouldn't spend money on it is the same reason I don't buy those brand new pretattered jeans with the holes.

 

[Mddx]

I do have you explain alot lol i guess I'm just really trying to empathize with your perspective but I just can't wish I could but I am just not sold on Follica. I've been through most of the stages of diffuse balding and for me they all felt the same being a little diffuse sucked as much as being severely diffuse its all the same to me. I just don't really want to compromise with hair it's a full head of hair all of it or I'll just stay the way I am and save my money if I wanted a few more sparse hairs I'd get a transplant itd be the same and I wouldn't have to wait.

This caught my attention and I kinda thought it made sense and then I wondered about the dhurat which is why I asked. If all they achieve is bringing me back to a little less but still diffuse hair the reason I wouldn't spend money on it is the same reason I don't buy those brand new pretattered jeans with the holes.

Mate I guess the best thing to do is to wait, it's been 20 years and we have nothing now if finally we have something which holds even a 10% chance of growing back hair I think we should wait and hope for the best

 

[Endmymisery]

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I assume your talking about the top guy and that does look impressive but who knows if itll turn out for everyone the bottom guy you can still tell is diffuse that lighting ain't foolin everybody.
I'd be tickled if something like this could happen though.
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Holy sh*t that's still an amazing recovery

 

[shookwun]

Shiseido and finasteride for permanent maitenance.


Hair cloning and transplants to restore a full head of hair.


Either way it's a long process which will require many treatments and surgical sessions to achieve a cosmetic benefit. We are talking both time and finances.

 

[vernon]

Shiseido and finasteride for permanent maitenance.


Hair cloning and transplants to restore a full head of hair.


Either way it's a long process which will require many treatments and surgical sessions to achieve a cosmetic benefit. We are talking both time and finances.

and brotzu lotion for additional placebo relief

 

[shookwun]

and brotzu lotion for additional placebo relief

Brotzu lotion for my sweaty musky balls.



Either way there is no way around a transplant. Best case scenario doctors are provided with the technology to produce finite grafts and now we have the availability to go and restore our scalps.


It's going to be very expensive seeing how the treatment itself will only be aviabile in Japan. The waiting list will take forever and then afywarxs we have to wait additional years for the fda to approve of the treatment in America.


Be realistic here, asian countries and aesthetic surgeries are a huge industry. Now we are introducing the world to this luxury into an isolated area that's approved.


Transplants take six months on average to book an appointment with a credible doctor. We have thousands upon thousands of licenced surgeons yet we are still overwhelmed with booking dates to become available.

Now We need to take in consideration how long it takes before your state approved this treatment let alone the doctors discretion of it becoming available at there door step



It's delusional to think that by 2018 you will have the cure ready at your finger tips in a ups box or on the shelf of your local drug store. Even if it can be shipped, the funding, staff and logs will be limited

 

[vernon]

Brotzu lotion for my sweaty musky balls.



Either way there is no way around a transplant. Best case scenario doctors are provided with the technology to produce finite grafts and now we have the availability to go and restore our scalps.


It's going to be very expensive seeing how the treatment itself will only be aviabile in Japan. The waiting list will take forever and then afywarxs we have to wait additional years for the fda to approve of the treatment in America.


Be realistic here, asian countries and aesthetic surgeries are a huge industry. Now we are introducing the world to this luxury into an isolated area that's approved.


Transplants take six months on average to book an appointment with a credible doctor. We have thousands upon thousands of licenced surgeons yet we are still overwhelmed with booking dates to become available.

Now We need to take in consideration how long it takes before your state approved this treatment let alone the doctors discretion of it becoming available at there door step



It's delusional to think that by 2018 you will have the cure ready at your finger tips in a ups box or on the shelf of your local drug store. Even if it can be shipped, the funding, staff and logs will be limited

Yes its a long road.

But, if anything, it would be psychologically relieving to know there at least is a solution. I know its not a consolation for many people, but it would be a step forward.

Personally, I would be fine with a simple maintenance treatment coming out in the next couple of years, which wouldnt require a daily aplication and/or include sides.

 

[MrV88]

I would be glad if there would be a mantaining procedure. I could get a hair transplant and didn't have to worry about spots that fall out again, until cloning is ready worldwide or at least for less money.

 

[That Guy]

Be realistic here, asian countries and aesthetic surgeries are a huge industry. Now we are introducing the world to this luxury into an isolated area that's approved.

You know, I'm glad you bring this up because I forgot about how big cosmetic surgery is in Asia in my many debates with people about the practicality of traveling to Japan to get the treatment done.

South Korea has the undisputed best plastic surgeons in the world and as I recall, it's one of the only places in the world with many doctors qualified to practice "facial contouring" (reshaping of facial structure), a surgery developed originally for car accident victims, but now is used for cosmetic purposes as well and wasn't even possible 15 years ago. Every South Korean model, actor, singer, and even many normal people have it done. It's the only place in the world where the surgery is common.

and yet, it still is extremely expensive and is often booked a year or several more in advance and it's not common to see foreigners get it done. As I recall, medical tourists actually require specific documentation for their passports because of how different they'll look afterwards and medical tourists who get their faces remodeled aren't terribly common.

and people actually think that they'll be able to just shimmy on down to o' glorious Nippon in 2020 and get a full head of hair...

 

[Christian Miller]

You know, I'm glad you bring this up because I forgot about how big cosmetic surgery is in Asia in my many debates with people about the practicality of traveling to Japan to get the treatment done.

South Korea has the undisputed best plastic surgeons in the world and as I recall, it's one of the only places in the world with many doctors qualified to practice "facial contouring" (reshaping of facial structure), a surgery developed originally for car accident victims, but now is used for cosmetic purposes as well and wasn't even possible 15 years ago. Every South Korean model, actor, singer, and even many normal people have it done. It's the only place in the world where the surgery is common.

and yet, it still is extremely expensive and is often booked a year or several more in advance and it's not common to see foreigners get it done. As I recall, medical tourists actually require specific documentation for their passports because of how different they'll look afterwards and medical tourists who get their faces remodeled aren't terribly common.

and people actually think that they'll be able to just shimmy on down to o' glorious Nippon in 2020 and get a full head of hair...

Oh, boy.
You is really stubborn.
Don't tell me nobody has ever told you so.

 

[That Guy]

Oh, boy.
You is really stubborn.
Don't tell me nobody has ever told you so.

No, I just have my feet on the ground; rather than head in the clouds.

But whatever. There are only 2 1/2 years left before I can say I told you so — hang on to that 50k.

 

[shookwun]

No, I just have my feet on the ground; rather than head in the clouds.

But whatever. There are only 2 1/2 years left before I can say I told you so — hang on to that 50k.

I believe there is no rest for the wicked of being an advanced norwood, seeing how the costs of treatment and labour will still be exponentially high.


Even if we have finite grafts, the cost of a NW6-7 to turn into a full head will still be roughly 25-50,000


Time to take money against our homes for hair.

 

[shookwun]

Obviously it will not be affordable for common people for many years... The fact the cure exists could sound like a relief, a sign for hope and it is exciting indeed. But if you know it exists but you can not have it done, isn't it the most frustrating thing?
What gives me hope, real hope, is that the number of us out there could help making it more mainstream but for that, it's necessary that hair loss be considered a desease affecting the lives of people suffering from it at least to a certain degree. We need awareness.
For a woman not candidate for a transplant and forbidden to take the meds or simply not responding to them, cases in which they can expect part of the wig price being taken care of by social security are very rare. For men... It's not even in question. And wigs are expensive. Hair transplant are still very pricy...
Whereas it's a good thing that facial countouring remains very expensive for people who had no accident or something like that, it's only a shame regarding hair loss.

Facial countering more specifically reductions in the size of there chin and jaw is a big epidemic in certain asian countries.


Women commonly seek these solutions along with double eye lid surgery to appear more feminine.

Where as men, and women in american society are seeking bigger and stronger dimensions.



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