Hair getting much worse after finasteride

pproctor

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HT55 said:
Dr proctor,

How come none of these products are being marketed main stream ? I mean if you could come out with a topical that was PROVEN to work as good as propecia I'm sure there would be a lot of money to be made and some pharmacuetical company would jump on it.

Sales of hair-loss-treatment agents have been dismal in drug company terms, less than $200 million per year. Thus, drug companies have essentially dropped this as an area of formal drug development. Even the two drugs ( minoxidil and finasteride ) that have gone thru the FDA mill were already approved for other uses. It takes at least $500 million and 10 years to get a new drug thru the FDA.

So, this area has been taken over by physician researchers like me or (e.g.) Dr. Lee who use various exceptions to FDA regs to develop and market topical products. If you are going to get something new, it is going to come from one of us. BTW, this is the way many drugs were developed before about 1960, now termed "The Golden Age of Drug Development". So there is nothing unusual about it.

The one exception is TEMPOL, on which I hold the primary patents and use in our formulations. This agent is in clinical trials for radiation-induced hair loss. See http://www.mitos.com . Works too.

If you need further proof: Other companies have patents on SOD's ( e.g., L'Oreal SA, look up on http://www.uspto.gov ). Similarly, Japanese pharmaceutical and cosmetic giant Shiseido has patents on NANO esters. I hold the primary patents on all of these agents and use them in our formulations.

What pharmacuetical companies are interested in is other uses for our patented compounds. We promote these uses to the drug companies, hair loss treatment being a lost cause as far as they are concerned. E.g., the disulfonyl derivative of our patented agent PBN (NXY-059) was in clinical trials for stroke.

NXY-059 passed the first wing of the phase-3 trial, then flunked the second wing. Likely reason was that the active form was another spin trap (NtBHA/MNP) formed during storage. I also hold the primary patents for this compound. Naturally, we also use these compounds in our formulations.

See our paper in the journal "Stroke" , linked at http://www.centpharm.com.

The title is "SAINT-1 Worked, But the Neuroprotectant is not NXY-059". Lots of disappointment all around when the second trial failed. Danged Swedes would insist on making their product purer. I have some other things in the pipeline that I cannot discuss right now.

BTW, all these agents work at a very basic cellular level of pathogenesis, be it (e.g.) stroke or hair loss. Neuroprotection was what got me into this field decades ago. Tissues only go bad in certain limited ways and these drugs affect those fundamental pathways. Another example is low-energy infrared light, also quite credibly-reported to be neuroprotectant in stroke. Essentially the same helmet is used to treat hair loss.

True. the big guys are much better at marketing, which takes tens of millions of $. Likewise, the various FDA exemptions we operate under limit what we can do. This has nothing to do with whether our formulations work.

Peter H. Proctor, PhD,MD
 

HT55

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pproctor said:
HT55 said:
Dr proctor,

How come none of these products are being marketed main stream ? I mean if you could come out with a topical that was PROVEN to work as good as propecia I'm sure there would be a lot of money to be made and some pharmacuetical company would jump on it.

Sales of hair-loss-treatment agents have been dismal in drug company terms, less than $200 million per year. Thus, drug companies have essentially dropped this as an area of formal drug development. Even the two drugs ( minoxidil and finasteride ) that have gone thru the FDA mill were already approved for other uses. It takes at least $500 million and 10 years to get a new drug thru the FDA.





Peter H. Proctor, PhD,MD

Thanks, I'm currently using propecia (1.25 mg day) rogaine foam ( 2 cans a month as I have had growth all over my head) and Nizoral 2%.

I have had incredible regrowth but could use just a "little" more in the crown to make me totaly happy.

Would you reccomend i try any of your products for the crown ?

BTW I don't plan on dropping anything I'm currently using

Here are my pics

http://s525.photobucket.com/albums/cc340/mikeb5555/
 

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That is why I have not used propecia yet. Its just not worth the risk and is anyone seriously dedicated enough to take a pill for 30 years that probably will not stop the hairloss for 30 years anyways?
 

pproctor

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Thanks, I'm currently using propecia (1.25 mg day) rogaine foam ( 2 cans a month as I have had growth all over my head) and Nizoral 2%.

I have had incredible regrowth but could use just a "little" more in the crown to make me totaly happy.

Would you reccomend i try any of your products for the crown ?

There is no " special treatment " for the crown or any other area, for that matter. At least after 25 years of doing this, I have been unable to determine one. All you can do is try treatment and see what happens.

General advice, no matter what treatment you use--have reasonable expectations. Medical treatment in general is primarily for stopping progression, coarsening fine hair and possibly replacing some recent loss. Treat any new growth in shiney-bald areas as a bonus and not a primary goal of treatment.

That said, all of our stuff works--- sometimes on persons who have not previously responded to other treatment. Of our products Proxiphen (the prescription formulation ) is most effective, then PROX-N, then NANO shampoo, both of which are non-prescription. Often people try PROX-N and/or NANO shampoo first, just to see what will happen.

Peter H. Proctor, PhD,MD
 

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Dr Proctor, as a successful user of your products, I always appreciate your honestly. I think most people underestimate your products due to either their costs or disbelief in you. I would trust a doctor who has spent his whole career studying pharmacology and hair loss treatments over a doctor who spends most of his time transplanting hair. I agree with your honesty as telling people to try something to see if it works. What works for one person does not necessarily mean it works for everyone but with your experience you have seen so many cases that your word is good enough for me. Thanks for always taking the time to give your expertise as I would tend to value yours over the majority of forum members here.
 

HT55

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pproctor said:
General advice, no matter what treatment you use--have reasonable expectations. Medical treatment in general is primarily for stopping progression, coarsening fine hair and possibly replacing some recent loss.

Ok I'll just stick with what I'mdoing now than as on a scale of 1-10 I woulr rate my regrowth as a 15 !

As you can see from the pictures I have a small thin spot in the crown that is easilly covered if I grow my hair a little longer.

I'm working on lifting the hair and getting the foam in real good in that area.

I workout right after I apply the foam and I wonder if that gives me better absorbtion and thus better results ?
 
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