Hair Tape/glue Health Problems And Risks?

[Nostab2]

As I said I was giving an example... I was speaking figuratively not literally. But no Roundup is not in a different ballpark when used as directed it was touted as not being harmful. We are finding out that there are people that used it as directed and ended up with lymphoma. That was my point in using Roundup as an example.

Same thing with caution cup contains hot contents at McDonalds. That was not always on there... it took a knucklehead scolding themselves after how many decades?.. for the company to start printing that.... it doesn't mean it was Safe when cup did not have the warning.... and it's also not McDonald's fault if you burn yourself with coffee.

 

[TooBad]

My point is when you purchase something for use in or on the body, some type of overseeing has to be taking place. Also it seems precent levels play highly into this. In large percentage some things are considered a risk and in small they are not. They have to list the chemicals on msds but not the precent or amounts apparently

I agree that things that touch your skin should be, it's unfortunate that in the real world that does not always happen though.

I had edited my larger response not sure if you saw it. I would ask you with regard to Polly Hair Systems. Who do you think check and regulated it for us, to ensure that the chemicals do not leach into our skin and bloodstream much like PBA does in water bottles.

Do you think the Sweatshop in China had it analyzed for safety? Or the u.s. seller like toplace your MHE or Northwest lace? Do you think any of them spent the money to send it out to be analyzed for health risks?

We're in a great country but we need to be cognizant and take an active role in our own health and safety. Europe is much more regulated in this aspect.

 

[Nostab2]

2.5 million by 1970 men alone not to mention women with wigs probably another couple million, at some point a link would have been noticed to health problems too bad

 

[TooBad]

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You do know the purpose of Wikipedia is so that everyone can modify what reports right? I can go change that right now

 

[TooBad]

2.5 million by 1970 men alone not to mention women with wigs probably another couple million, at some point a link would have been noticed to health problems too bad

Again I disagree and this is why.

Women do not glue or tape the entire wig to their head, most of them being ethnic women wear a stocking over their head and hair which prevents the wig from touching their scalp.. they then place the wig on top... they may glue the hairline but that is it.....

Also going back to the 70s was monofilament Hair Systems they were not using the adhesives that we are using today. So that's not even a comparison. Lastly there are 325 million people in the United States.... the amount of active hair wearers using these chemicals to Bond it to their scalp is an insignificant number in the grand scheme. There are many things that cause cancer. No oncologist is going to tell you without a doubt that your lung cancer was caused specifically and solely from smoking. But we do know it substantially increases the risk.... we also know as a non-smoker your chances are extraordinarily lower regarding cancer... That's been my point the whole time... for argument's sake even if I agree with your numbers... they are Irrelevant in the real world. If you recall I went into specific hypothetical calculations breaking it down to male hair wears using today's acrylic adhesives.. you could drop a number like 2.5 million down to 10 thousand in the snap of a finger... when you start breaking it down by length of exposure, adhesive used, sex, acrylic or water based.... And if only 40% of them get ill from it now you're talking 4,000 people out of 325 million... You would never hear about that.... Nor would wearing a wig be considered a differential diagnosis for disease by any physician.

Back in the 60s 42% of Americans were smokers that means over 145 million people we're smoking, keep in mind there weren't warnings like now. When cigarettes were originally introduced they were considered health-promoting.... But something like that gets noticed regarding disease.
Laws and regulations are to protect the masses.

I reiterate that I'm not saying everybody that touches acrylic is going to get cancer. .... but why increase your risk?
If they're actually safe and you don't use them no harm done, but if you end up getting cancer down the line or a terminal disease you can't go back and reset the clock. So this is why I'm so Boggled frustrated with the arguments. We have measures we can take to prevent and lessen our chances of cancer. Once it starts, game over ......With a six-shot revolver playing Russian roulette, you have five chances you'll live and one chance you'll die. I still don't think it's wise to take that chance.....

I've said this many times but I'll end this saying it again. Anybody knowing the risks choosing to use the acrylic adhesives that is absolutely all right and I wish you the best. I just keep interjecting when people are saying it's because it's safe and nothing wrong. I will respect all informed decisions. But it is not in my nature to sit back and allow Miss truths and ignorance to drive life-altering decisions.

 

[Fanjeera]

On the ghost bond msds sheet it lists Phenoxyetanol? Looks like it is found in alot of cosmetics, it appears in low levels its considered safe. How do we find out the percent levels?

Where do you see that chemical?

https://prohairlabs.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/GhostBond-MSDS.pdf

"3. Composition/information on ingredients 3.0 Chemical characterisation (substance): Dispersion of acrylic polymers in water"

 

[Fanjeera]

I may have to go UTS and Got2B

Got2b is not glue, but a mix of lots of chemicals. Please stop putting that on your entire head!

 

[TooBad]

Got2b is not glue, but a mix of lots of chemicals. Please stop putting that on your entire head!

I've been wanting to say that the whole time. I just didn't need any more arguments
It is not designed to be on the scalp!

 

[Fanjeera]

It's a strange coincidence that I also have MD and basically the only other person here worried about the toxicity of glues. I don't know if physicians are overly health anxious. Maybe that's why we go studying it? Yet, there are many issues patients are a lot more worried about and we have to calm them down.

But I don't want to kill any discussion with this stating of status bs. There are a lot smarter people here, on the internet and everywhere than doctors and some of them can even grasp specific medical issues better, if they put all their time into it. Some physicians can be surprisingly superficial sometimes, because maybe they only look at the big picture. I wouldn't be surprised if soon an intelligent or wise guy or a chemist comes by and finishes all this arguing with some really good arguments. I really hope someone can prove the opposite and calm me down finally.

 

[TooBad]

It's a strange coincidence that I am also MD and basically the only other person here worried about the toxicity of glues.

Thank you sooo very much. All we're trying to do is help I don't know where all the nonsense comes from!

 

[Fanjeera]

Perhaps medical grade can also mean the opposite of safety as all medicine is poison, if not used on purpose and for only short amounts of time. Medical grade -- perhaps that's actually trying to say to use only if really needed, in life-threatening situations, not every day!

Using this word can maybe even hurt people.

Medicines kill healthy people.

 

[TooBad]

Perhaps medical grade can also mean the opposite of safety as all medicine is poison, if not used on purpose and for only short amounts of time. Medical grade -- perhaps that's actually trying to say to use only if really needed, in life-threatening situations, not every day!

Using this word can maybe even hurt people.

Medicines kill healthy people.

You're not kidding about that!

That's what I'm trying to stress these gentlemen. By the time we know 100% it's too late.

I use tobacco as an example and they flip it around against me saying yeah but we already know the risks. Do you know how many millions of people died before we made the connection? That's what they're missing.

 

[Nostab2]

Again I disagree and this is why.

Women do not glue or tape the entire wig to their head, most of them being ethnic women wear a stocking over their head and hair which prevents the wig from touching their scalp.. they then place the wig on top... they may glue the hairline but that is it.....

Also going back to the 70s was monofilament Hair Systems they were not using the adhesives that we are using today. So that's not even a comparison. Lastly there are 325 million people in the United States.... the amount of active hair wearers using these chemicals to Bond it to their scalp is an insignificant number in the grand scheme. There are many things that cause cancer. No oncologist is going to tell you without a doubt that your lung cancer was caused specifically and solely from smoking. But we do know it substantially increases the risk.... we also know as a non-smoker your chances are extraordinarily lower regarding cancer... That's been my point the whole time... for argument's sake even if I agree with your numbers... they are Irrelevant in the real world. If you recall I went into specific hypothetical calculations breaking it down to male hair wears using today's acrylic adhesives.. you could drop a number like 2.5 million down to 10 thousand in the snap of a finger... when you start breaking it down by length of exposure, adhesive used, sex, acrylic or water based.... And if only 40% of them get ill from it now you're talking 4,000 people out of 325 million... You would never hear about that.... Nor would wearing a wig be considered a differential diagnosis for disease by any physician.

Back in the 60s 42% of Americans were smokers that means over 145 million people we're smoking, keep in mind there weren't warnings like now. When cigarettes were originally introduced they were considered health-promoting.... But something like that gets noticed regarding disease.
Laws and regulations are to protect the masses.

I reiterate that I'm not saying everybody that touches acrylic is going to get cancer. .... but why increase your risk?
If they're actually safe and you don't use them no harm done, but if you end up getting cancer down the line or a terminal disease you can't go back and reset the clock. So this is why I'm so Boggled frustrated with the arguments. We have measures we can take to prevent and lessen our chances of cancer. Once it starts, game over ......With a six-shot revolver playing Russian roulette, you have five chances you'll live and one chance you'll die. I still don't think it's wise to take that chance.....

I've said this many times but I'll end this saying it again. Anybody knowing the risks choosing to use the acrylic adhesives that is absolutely all right and I wish you the best. I just keep interjecting when people are saying it's because it's safe and nothing wrong. I will respect all informed decisions. But it is not in my nature to sit back and allow Miss truths and ignorance to drive life-altering decisions.

Some true points, however it is a far cry from 5000 people. Wigs have been glued to heads since the dawn of time. I agree with the point that some risk is involved. I would also say the risk is low. You could make the same argument for cosmetics, lifestyle choices foods consumed, type of employment, environmental factors and what not. All I'm saying if 2.5 million in 1970 alone had some issue, we would have heard about it. I cant even find 1 report of anyone complaining. I'm not saying there is no risk, I just think it's much lower than you are thinking. I have brought this up to 5 doctors 3 dermatologist and all had said the little bit that gets into your body is insignificant

 

[Nostab2]

It's a strange coincidence that I also have MD and basically the only other person here worried about the toxicity of glues. I don't know if physicians are overly health anxious. Maybe that's why we go studying it? Yet, there are many issues patients are a lot more worried about and we have to calm them down.

But I don't want to kill any discussion with this stating of status bs. There are a lot smarter people here, on the internet and everywhere than doctors and some of them can even grasp specific medical issues better, if they put all their time into it. Some physicians can be surprisingly superficial sometimes, because maybe they only look at the big picture. I wouldn't be surprised if soon an intelligent or wise guy or a chemist comes by and finishes all this arguing with some really good arguments. I really hope someone can prove the opposite and calm me down finally.

Your a doctor as well?

 

[TooBad]

Your a doctor as well?

MD= medical doctor

 

[Nostab2]

Also if we're all in agreement that water based ghost bond is the safest, let's focus on that. Could you guys estimate how much safer it is over solvents? What about the few chemicals in ghost bond? What's you take on this?

 

[TooBad]

It's a strange coincidence that I also have MD and basically the only other person here worried about the toxicity of glues. I don't know if physicians are overly health anxious. Maybe that's why we go studying it? Yet, there are many issues patients are a lot more worried about and we have to calm them down.

But I don't want to kill any discussion with this stating of status bs. There are a lot smarter people here, on the internet and everywhere than doctors and some of them can even grasp specific medical issues better, if they put all their time into it. Some physicians can be surprisingly superficial sometimes, because maybe they only look at the big picture. I wouldn't be surprised if soon an intelligent or wise guy or a chemist comes by and finishes all this arguing with some really good arguments. I really hope someone can prove the opposite and calm me down finally.

I couldn't agree more with you. I don't know why the topic got shifted from health risks with adhesives to prove to me your profession. There are many genius janitors out there and many knucklehead doctors. Being a doctor does not mean you are always right. But it does give you a background that say a car salesman would not have regarding medical concerns and statistical risk.

I don't think you're being a worrywart as a physician, I think much like myself you've seen time and time again that everything has a consequence associated with it. Oftentimes the consequence out weight the benefit and that's what we're afraid of.

 

[Nostab2]

Water, acrylate Copolymer, glycerin and gum are the listed ingredients

 

[TooBad]

Also if we're all in agreement that water based ghost bond is the safest, let's focus on that. Could you guys estimate how much safer it is over solvents? What about the few chemicals in ghost bond? What's you take on this?

Some true points, however it is a far cry from 5000 people. Wigs have been glued to heads since the dawn of time. I agree with the point that some risk is involved. I would also say the risk is low. You could make the same argument for cosmetics, lifestyle choices foods consumed, type of employment, environmental factors and what not. All I'm saying if 2.5 million in 1970 alone had some issue, we would have heard about it. I cant even find 1 report of anyone complaining. I'm not saying there is no risk, I just think it's much lower than you are thinking. I have brought this up to 5 doctors 3 dermatologist and all had said the little bit that gets into your body is insignificant

That's like saying only smoking a half a pack of cigarettes is nothing to worry about. It's nothing compared to three packs a day.

I will do my best to research ghost Bond but at the end of the day for me to say it safe is just going to be my opinion. I don't have the statistical facts that are available to us like they are with the acrylic adhesives and the dangers of them.

 

[TooBad]

Water, acrylate Copolymer, glycerin and gum are the listed ingredients

Just keep in mind in order to find any relevance with regard to those chemicals a controlled study would have had to been done and followed for many years often times a decade. That has not been done with regard to these chemicals applied as hair system adhesive. That's my point. Lack of information does not mean safe it just means not significant enough for someone to invest the time and money and studying.