Hairloss At 21 Years Old...what To Do?

[PappinAce]

Agree, agree. But I disagree with the bolded part. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you have the wrong worldview. I don't know.

I've never subscribed to the "I'm always a victim; my success and happiness is determined by all external factors in life and other people." I've always hated that outlook because I think it is false. It's a way for people to avoid taking responsibility for their own decisions. Not you...but lots of people in the world.

It's a false worldview. You truly can do anything you want in life, if you buckle down and do whatever it takes to get there. Value is what you as a person have to offer to the world and society. That has absolutely nothing to do with how much hair is on your head...unless you let that affect your success, which would be a decision of yours, demonstrating my point exactly.

You could make the argument Stephen Hawking would be more "ideal" if he didn't have a degenerative disease. But I highly doubt he views his life as a failure at this point, because he devoted his life to something else...something much different than what the average person devotes their life to.

I do think your value is whatever you decide it should be, and at the end of the day it only depends on how you choose to handle yourself.

If you go to apply for a really awesome job but the company decides to hire a person with hair instead, you can go home and complain that being bald makes you a loser. Or you can go get a degree in Economics, start your own business and overtake the company that passed you over. That's what being successful is.

this is a good post and i agree. think of all the philosophers and authors who have written influential works that have had positive impact on future generations.

hair loss doesn't stop you from achieving things like this. bald professors get funding and publications for plenty of their endeavors. if hair is the deciding factor for things like that then get out of that university / office / agency and find one that's not toxic.

hair loss does unfortunately take away the chances at companionship that you would have otherwise had. i never had positive experiences in my youth or adolescence. when i finally developed as a person (very late) and i could have begun to live, hair loss happened. i'll never know what it's like to live a real life. that's why it's hard for me to find the motivation to live a stephen hawking-like life.

should i just forget about it? is companionship and all that just a distraction from achieving greatness? i just want to cuddle with a human and share in their adventures and struggles once in a while.

Perhaps I shouldn't be telling others what to do...but you really should be presenting all the options to new users, your opinion on them, with respect and dignity, and then let them go where they want to go. Not pressure them into choosing a certain fix or calling everyone who is bald a "loser." Don't you see the obvious sickness in that?

yeah this is toxic behavior. the polar bear is a well-meaning individual believe it or not. he just has that mindset of "i did it so you can too, stop complaining!" it's like the pull yourself up by the boot straps nonesense. unfortunately there are many factors that prevent people from achieving what you have achieved.

here is a thread i made when i was looking into a transplant.

https://www.baldtruthtaIk.com/threa...nsplant-in-the-future.-Suggestions?highlight=

note the valid responses explaining why it's a terrible idea, which i have since come to understand after doing my research. a transplant is simply not an option for a diffused corpse like myself. to recommend me a transplant is to recommend me inevitable permanent shock loss, a scar, and an even more deformed rat's nest. thanks for that advice, how caring! any more brilliant ideas?

like you Nahte, i am simply not convinced by the current available options. i'm sad and i will remain sad. if i could change that i totally would.

he seems to think that the relationship he had (that girl was sweet, intelligent, pretty, etc.) will be easy to develop again with a completely different person.

damn, why did he throw that away? does he only like the beginnings of things? and what was an intelligent person doing with a guy who believes in fairy tales instead of science?

not to trash your friend. i'm sure he's nice and fun to be around. not his fault that he was influenced when he was young. the religion thing is often just a result of growing up in an environment that emphasizes fear over love.

i often doubt my decision to throw my relationship away. the woman didn't really make me happy. it's hard to decide if it's better to have something that's mostly shitty and occasionally good, than nothing at all.

 

[FutureSaitama]

I stand by it: if someone who has been regarded as the baldest person at a young age that they've ever seen by Christian f*****g ******** was able to have a semi-successful (2000 grafts on a NW5 isn't the holy grail, obviously) hair transplant, then almost anyone can, and the probability that you're in a worse position than I was is extremely low. Only true NW7 with a thin donor could pretend that they're utterly doomed.

I don't believe science and religion are mutually exclusive, they're both important tools to live in the world. You can't derive how you should conduct yourself in the world from science, that's why we have ancient wisdom, religion and heroic stories to tell us how we should be in the world.

My cousin is in a bad place because he's all religion, no science, but I know people who are in an almost equally bad place because they're all science, no religion.

So you are saying that you can actually pull off a decent style with 2k grafts spread across a NW5 area ? Seems hard to believe, do you keep it buzzed ?

 

[nahte42]

I think wisdom is the word you're looking for here, not intelligence.

Intelligence has 0 correlation with wisdom, some of the most intelligent people out there can also be evil bastards.

"Dispose of the shallow-minded and dumb people?" Well, I don't want Goodwin's Law to apply to this thread but, you're making it very difficult with that statement.

Yeah let's get rid of a good chunk of the population because they're naturally displeased at the sight of a bald head, it's not their fault but who cares, the world would be better off without them I guess.

So when are you starting the construction of your utopia? How are you going to get rid of all those people that you deem stupid and evil?

If you think you're not resentful and bitter, think again, carefully reread what you've written up there. That's not a statement a balanced individual who's happy with how his life is unfolding would utter.

Lol...go on thinking whatever you want. Zero resentment and bitterness in me. How I respond to a closed-minded and often disrespectful person online doesn't say anything about how I am in daily life.

My "dispose of the stupids" comment was obviously sarcasm. (I mean not really but you get my jyst). But hey... if nobody works on improving the world little by little, that's the only thing preventing it from being how we want it to be...

Bringing religion into this now? Oh god...good luck... I'll stay out of that

Woke up today feeling good with no resentment or bitterness.

 

[nahte42]

Sure, you just want to wipe the majority of humanity because they're too stupid to appreciate bald men for who they truly are.

Close-minded is an adjective that's not really applicable to me. I'm a very open person that likes to think out of the box and to constantly update his knowledge of the world, even you could tell me something I don't know, but that's not the case here since it's wrong.

I've admitted being wrong about a lot of things many times in the past, which is something the vast majority of people will never do even if their life depended on it.

Now disrespectful? I don't believe I have disrespected you or insulted you in any way.

If you think you're alright then why not? Just make sure that you're not lying to yourself and that you're truly getting what you want out of life. Are you though?

I edited that post, please read that, my bad.

 

[nahte42]

Now disrespectful? I don't believe I have disrespected you or insulted you in any way.

"RIP."

...Unless you were trying to make some kind of joke about my hair should rest in piece. If so, really bad joke.

 

[nahte42]

I believe you improve the world by improving yourself, by example, not by telling others how they should conduct themselves. You're not going to get anywhere doing that.

Religion or a set of beliefs, a value system, call it whatever you want is absolutely necessary for people to know how to behave in the world. Good luck trying to derive that from science, you can't. You can't derive how you should conduct yourself in the world from science or rationality.

There's a reason religion was so pervasive in Western culture. And it was not because we were primitive being who wanted to blind themselves with fairy tales. I don't know what's so childish and comforting about the thought that you might spend eternity in hell.

Frank Turek? Is that you?

A *value system* is necessary to justify behavior, yes... not religion. Oh damn I thought I was gonna stay out of this.

 

[nahte42]

@PappinAce The link you posted isn't working for me. Something wrong with it?

 

[shookwun]

You can't swim and shower with a hair piece, that's just marketing nonsense.

Your father is very secretive? LOL @shookwun approved

If your father still has strong sides at his age, you do too, you only think it's thinner because you shave it. Grow it out much longer and you'll see that it's not thinning at all.

Diet and androgenetic alopecia are unrelated.

swimming and showering with a piece




If you count water patting, and eloquently doing cold compresses as a shower then sure.

If you count the marketing stunts of these goobers doing fresh bonds then jumping in as an every day activity, then sure.



Chlorine and sun are the absolute worst, compound that with adding moisture to glue and you have a recipe for disaster.

 

[PappinAce]

I don't believe science and religion are mutually exclusive, they're both important tools to live in the world. You can't derive how you should conduct yourself in the world from science, that's why we have ancient wisdom, religion and heroic stories to tell us how we should be in the world.

My cousin is in a bad place because he's all religion, no science, but I know people who are in an almost equally bad place because they're all science, no religion.

exactly, it's all about balance. getting in touch with the eternal and universal often happens through things that are immeasurable, like art and philosophy. i personally place great value on philosophy, and in many cases it needs natural science as a foundation to stand on, but you can't have one without the other.

for example, studying biology has given us the insight of evolution. what do we do with this information, that we are not as special nor as significant as we used to think? it helps us see that what unites us with the rocks and the trees and the other animals is just as important as what divides us from them. we can still be spiritual and connect with nature, but also leave behind this narcissistic and self-absorbed crap about a universe made FOR humans by a human god.

@nahte42 sorry, does this one work?: https://www.baldtruthtaIk.com/threa...ner-considering-hair-transplant-in-the-future

Religion or a set of beliefs, a value system, call it whatever you want is absolutely necessary for people to know how to behave in the world. Good luck trying to derive that from science, you can't. You can't derive how you should conduct yourself in the world from science or rationality

true, this one tends to lead to nihilism or that existence is meaningless in the long run. that's why straight atheism doesn't work any better than fanatical belief in fairy tales. again it comes back to balance.

this forum is like atheism and sly bald guys is like religion lol. i wish we had something in between!

IMO it can be most meaningful in the moment. there is nothing more divine than the present moment.

I stand by it: if someone who has been regarded as the baldest person at a young age that they've ever seen by Christian f*****g ******** was able to have a semi-successful (2000 grafts on a NW5 isn't the holy grail, obviously) hair transplant, then almost anyone can, and the probability that you're in a worse position than I was is extremely low. Only true NW7 with a thin donor could pretend that they're utterly doomed

Diffuse thinners?

 

[northpole1]

Good surgeon can put grafts even in diffused area.If donor area thinning thats another problem,maybe thyroid? My grandfather is 76yrs old,and still has very thick donor,so i never believed that male pattern baldness is cause for thin donor.

 

[MorningGlory]

Food for thought: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4683336/Body-man-Hawaii-volcano-apparent-fall.html

Why have you assumed the guy’s baldness influenced his decision to commit suicide?

 

[MorningGlory]

I still can’t get over @Crystalclear12 saying @JeanLucBB looks like he’s wearing a helmet. LOL

 

[nahte42]

Why have you assumed the guy’s baldness influenced his decision to commit suicide?

Yeah...what's up with that? Was reading and reading expecting to read that the note he left indicated baldness as the reason. Nothing.

 

[nahte42]

swimming and showering with a piece




If you count water patting, and eloquently doing cold compresses as a shower then sure.

If you count the marketing stunts of these goobers doing fresh bonds then jumping in as an every day activity, then sure.



Chlorine and sun are the absolute worst, compound that with adding moisture to glue and you have a recipe for disaster.

Well I'm going to ask you to elaborate because I've watched my dad swim in the damn ocean, pools, do things on the beach all day, and never ever once saw him have an issue with his fake hair, hence why I always thought it was his real hair. Is he lying about wearing a hair piece?

 

[DHTpolice]

Do you mind posting some pics of your hair pre-hair loss?
Don't answer if you want, but how often do you masturbate? And did you check your prolactin level? Thanks.

 

[nahte42]

Do you mind posting some pics of your hair pre-hair loss?
Don't answer if you want, but how often do you masturbate? And did you check your prolactin level?

Did you see the progression collage I posted a day or two ago?

It's kind of hard because I had medium length hair until about age 15 or 16, covering any thinning hair that I had. By the time I decided to buzz cut it, it was already in the early stages of going. I don't have too many pics on me right now but if I can find some more, I definitely will share!

 

[DHTpolice]

Did you see the progression collage I posted a day or two ago?

It's kind of hard because I had medium length hair until about age 15 or 16, covering any thinning hair that I had. By the time I decided to buzz cut it, it was already in the early stages of going. I don't have too many pics on me right now but if I can find some more, I definitely will share!

Sorry, I missed that post. At 15 your hair looked so healthy... DHT sucks.
Have you experienced severe itch on scalp at 16?

 

[nahte42]

Sorry, I missed that post. At 15 your hair looked so healthy... DHT sucks.
Have you experienced severe itch on scalp at 16?

Nope, nothing like that. And as I mentioned in one post too, I never experience any clumps of hair falling out in the shower. People always talk about that...hair coming out in the shower. I never, ever remember that happening. It just seem to recede, recede, thin, and disappear really rapidly. Really strange.

 

[MorningGlory]

They actually don't know the baldness played a major part in their decision to end it.

A 26 year old bald guy who I know who committed suicide would read dozens of books about mental health and how to improve it, depression, anxiety, psychosis, he thought all those problems were happening in his head and because of his mindset, and that maybe there was a way to fix it by changing his thought patterns, but not once did he mention that maybe, maybe him being a cueball at the age of 26 might have something to do with his horrible state. He didn't know.



Guy decides life is not worth, especially because he can't seem to attract women (he changed his name to Adonis hoping it would improve his chances for god's sake), now what obvious physical trait could have prevented him from attracting women... I can't quite put my finger on it... Ah it's so hard...

Do I need to continue? There's no point in discussing what's obvious.

You mean there’s no need for you to consider things that don’t reinforce your worldview. You’re making some pretty broad assumptions based on your limited knowledge of this one person.

To even draw some tentative conclusions about correlation between baldness and suicide you’d have to take a cross section of male suicide cases and find out if bald men were overrepresented.

It’s quite clear to me that many of the most prolific posters on this site have way more problems than simple hairloss. A severe lack of maturity in many cases. 20-something children, living with their parents, thinking it’s their entitlement to spend their life smashing 18 year old 10/10s and the only thing preventing them doing so is hairloss.

 

[JeanLucBB]

You mean there’s no need for you to consider things that don’t reinforce your worldview. You’re making some pretty broad assumptions based on your limited knowledge of this one person.

To even draw some tentative conclusions about correlation between baldness and suicide you’d have to take a cross section of male suicide cases and find out if bald men were overrepresented.

It’s quite clear to me that many of the most prolific posters on this site have way more problems than simple hairloss. A severe lack of maturity in many cases. 20-something children, living with their parents, thinking it’s their entitlement to spend their life smashing 18 year old 10/10s and the only thing preventing them doing so is hairloss.

And yet you keep coming back. If its such a cesspool why not f*** off and live your life in the real world, which is apparently so much more impressive than the lives of those on this forum which you get a kick out of pretending you're better than.

It's not even an accurate representation of the people here. Only f*****g morons attack those who live with their parents too, most I know who have moved out before their mid-twenties are renting, have no assets or savings and their financial situation is a joke. Smart people live with their parents until they can afford to purchase a place that is a strong long-term investment prospect. Broke with a shitty apartment you're renting is NOT a better situation than living with your parents.