Hairloss Prevention While On Steroids

[bluecyclone]

Stop looking at your shedding to determine wether you are having hairloss. There are so many reasons why you might be shedding. When i was on dutasteride i lost 300 hairs daily and still regrew hair. It means jackshit. You have a good hair-stack going so stop making a fuss about it.
I dont really understand what you are doing. All i see is HCG 50IU 3x a week, which is stupid and non-sense. I dont know why you would be doing that. HCG is supressive and shuts you down, but 50IU 3x a week is not nearly enough to get healthy levels of T out of it. If you want to do TRT, use injections or buy enough gel. I also dont understand why you are even talking about AI. You need estrogen to feel good, gain muscle and protect your hair. Unless you are doing actual steroids you have no business with Aromatase Inhibitors. You are not doing steroids. You are doing TRT. TRT is being a healthy, normal human male. Do your friends need anastrozole? Does your dad need anastrozole? No. Neither do you. Of course HCG increases aromatase activity, but you are using such a crippling low dosage with no test base so its trivial

Thanks for the feedback. I am flying blind. My UROLOGIST put me on the HCG after I had trouble with Propecia sides. It helped but hair still thinning, diffuse pretty much all over with solid but thinner hairline. I though Testosterone is what shut you down from a fertility standpoint. I’m worried either way. Pushing through on the Propecia and mixing in the Topical Dutasteride. As always I’m sure if the RU is doing any good or if it’s even quality. Any recommendations on source? Been mixing my own and failing. I have about 800 test gel packets because it’s been filled by Pharmacy and I haven’t been using it for fear of hair.

I feel like sh*t with the AA’s and nothing else though.

 

[Moosey]

Thanks for the feedback. I am flying blind. My utopia me on the HCG after I had trouble with Propecia sides. It helped but hair still thinning, diffuse pretty much all over with solid but thinner hairline. I though Testosterone is what shut you down from a fertility standpoint. I’m worried either way. Pushing through on the Propecia and mixing in the Topical Dutasteride. As always I’m sure if the RU is doing any good or if it’s even quality. Any recommendations on source? Been mixing my own and failing. I have about 800 test gel packets because it’s been filled by Pharmacy and I haven’t been using it for fear of hair.

I feel like sh*t with the AA’s and nothing else though.

HCG mimics LH. if you inject LH into your body, your body will stop producing its own LH -> your testes get shut down. But you are on a extremely low dosages so its rather you are just getting supressed to some degree. Which is probably why you are not feeling awful.
Again, you are thinking too much. You are on a good hair stack and all that is left for you to do is to wait. You cant look at your hair every month and say "oh its not working". This stuff takes an eternity to do anything. You are already doing everything in your power to fight hairloss. So be patient and stop messing around with your hormones even more. If you feel good with your HCG, thats good. Keep it that way continue doing something else. And stay away from aromatase inhibitors. There is zero (0) reason for you to touch that stuff.

 

[bluecyclone]

1.5mg dutasteride daily made me look somewhat bloated, almost like an off-season lifter. Lost noticable definition.
2.5mg daily made my seman watery, increased my “loads” so to speak. 0.5mg daily works best for me eod or daily.
Tbol 60mg daily, for some reason it bothers my stomach. Felt bloated and hard.
Var 80-120mg daily, loved the veiny look, shoots strength up fast, maybe too fast so injury is awaiting, sheds fat off especially when coupled with test and t3. It’s expensive but it’s vastly overlooked by anyone suffering from male pattern baldness. They want to spend 20x the amount to fix their hair, then cheap out by avoiding var and increasing their test dose then whine about hair loss

What is T3?

 

[Einstein]

What is T3?

I’m clueless as to what you’re doing taking random sh*t from the kitchen sink. If you’re seeing a urologist and your urologist put you on hcg then you should stop messing around with sh*t beyond your dictionary. Nothing you’re taking makes sense and you want to look into adding more sh*t to your super random protocol. Your urologist put you on hcg to combat finasteride side effects meanwhile you’re still using finasteride even though it is highly likely it’s completely useless with the rest of the stuff you’re using. What is your goal and what is your point

 

[bluecyclone]

I’m trying to figure it out. I was on topical Finasteride with nothing else but oral minoxidil for almost 2 years and lost half of my density while feeling like sh*t. I thought ok make Topical is garbage and took my third shot at Propecia, still feel like sh*t, and doctor said try HCG or TRT.

I agree it’s f*****g pointless but now I’m fighting a losing battle with thinning and have ED and EQ issues while most likely f*****g up fertility which is why I waited on Finasteride in the first place. *Notable dermatologist told me not to start Propecia if I wanted to have a child in the next five years... only thing that’s help has been Iron IV and doctors won’t let me do the. Anymore because I’m still at the bottom of the reference range.

anyone know a doctor that can actually understand androgen balance and hairloss? I will fly anywhere. My labs are all over the f*****g place.

 

[Moosey]

I’m trying to figure it out. I was on topical Finasteride with nothing else but oral minoxidil for almost 2 years and lost half of my density while feeling like sh*t. I thought ok make Topical is garbage and took my third shot at Propecia, still feel like sh*t, and doctor said try HCG or TRT.

I agree it’s f*****g pointless but now I’m fighting a losing battle with thinning and have ED and EQ issues while most likely f*****g up fertility which is why I waited on Finasteride in the first place. *Notable dermatologist told me not to start Propecia if I wanted to have a child in the next five years... only thing that’s help has been Iron IV and doctors won’t let me do the. Anymore because I’m still at the bottom of the reference range.

anyone know a doctor that can actually understand androgen balance and hairloss? I will fly anywhere. My labs are all over the f*****g place.

"Notable dermatologist told me not to start Propecia if I wanted to have a child in the next five years". Lol, so the other day i saw this 5 year BnC roider who got his girlfriend pregnant and you are supposed to be infertile for 5 years because you reduced your DHT by 70%. What a load of horseshit.
Whats the f*****g point of suppressing your testosterone with HCG with a pathetic amount of HCG to "combat" finasteride side effects. Does this imbecile of a doctor not understand HCG is suppressive? And if you indeed reduced finasterides side effects, it also means your DHT has gone up again. So whats the point of taking finasteride again? lol. Either you can take the drug or you cant. But this is just pointless. I cant use finasteride or dutasteride unless im on steroids. If i took them on TRT my dick would stop working. Sucks but thats how it is, so i have to fight hairloss through other means.
Again, you are on a good hairstack and there is nothing left for you to do but wait. If you cant take the side effects, then please dont f*** with medications and drugs just to combat it. Leave testosterone and HCG alone if you dont need it. That guy shouldnt put someone on these medications that lightly. Messing with your natural test production to fight finasteride side effects, instead of just dropping the finasteride.
I honestly dont understand why you are doing any of these things. Its so unnecessary and pointless at the cost of your health

 

[bluecyclone]

"Notable dermatologist told me not to start Propecia if I wanted to have a child in the next five years". Lol, so the other day i saw this 5 year BnC roider who got his girlfriend pregnant and you are supposed to be infertile for 5 years because you reduced your DHT by 70%. What a load of horseshit.
Whats the f*****g point of suppressing your testosterone with HCG with a pathetic amount of HCG to "combat" finasteride side effects. Does this imbecile of a doctor not understand HCG is suppressive? And if you indeed reduced finasterides side effects, it also means your DHT has gone up again. So whats the point of taking finasteride again? lol. Either you can take the drug or you cant. But this is just pointless. I cant use finasteride or dutasteride unless im on steroids. If i took them on TRT my dick would stop working. Sucks but thats how it is, so i have to fight hairloss through other means.
Again, you are on a good hairstack and there is nothing left for you to do but wait. If you cant take the side effects, then please dont f*** with medications and drugs just to combat it. Leave testosterone and HCG alone if you dont need it. That guy shouldnt put someone on these medications that lightly. Messing with your natural test production to fight finasteride side effects, instead of just dropping the finasteride.
I honestly dont understand why you are doing any of these things. Its so unnecessary and pointless at the cost of your health

Again thanks for the feedback, I think it’s the general lack of knowledge by most doctors when it comes to Propecia. I thought I did it right, full labs before starting, froze a bunch of sperm... this isn’t a back ally doctor he’s the head of Urology at Northwestern. I just don’t want to give up on my hair is some balance is possible.

Read on this forum:

cabergoline - tried and probably did damage
Alchemy natural AI - didn’t notice anything
Topcial Finasteride- sane sides just took a few weeks longer to start.
TRT - gutted my hair have a month even on Propecia
HCG - my balls got back to near normal, no other change. Watery semen got a little better.

I’m old but went from perfect hair at 40 to crazy shedding and NW1 diffuse in 3 years.

I’m thinking of trying the topical Dutasteride once a week and dropping the Propecia. Think RU is a waste of time but I don’t know anything. Nothing has slowed the thinning.

 

[LastHope123]

This is my take on the optimal cycle of steroids while trying to maintain your hair:

- Testosterone + anastrazole (+ maybe HCG to help faster recovery)

- Dutasteride to reduce the conversion of testosterone to DHT as much as possible.
- Minoxidil
- Ketokonazole 2% for scalp health and minor anti-androgenicity
- RU58841 to combat androgen receptors directly. Since RU has a higher affinity for the AR than testosterone.

So, you reduce the DHT as much as possible, and combat the high levels of T at the AR receptors.

 

[Mustang]

Yes. The only way to prevent hair loss on cycles or TRT is combined treatment.

Topical Dutasteride 1% (once a week or once a day, doesn't matter.)
RU58841 50MG daily

With this protocol your scalp DHT and androgens will remain below

Minoxidil won't do anything.

 

[Einstein]

Combined treatment would sound a whole lot better if you mean treatment from different angles. What can topical dutasteride possibly do when you’re already using topical RU. Ru with minoxidil or ru with ketokonazole sounds better

 

[AndrewBarnes]

I agree. User reports show that people have had hair loss on Sarms.
My question is wether they are safer than Test and standard steroids and if anybody has use them with Dutasteride with success.

My goals are moderate. I enjoy extremely good genetics to the point people thought I had done steroids because my arms were so large.

I am 35 now thus I want a little extra push to cut and bulk. Cristiano Ronald type with a bit more lean mass.

I have very low test as it is thus shooting testosterone will most likely make me dependent on it as I will probably not recover well and any Sarm use has to be quick and low dosage. I will run LGD at 5MG for 8 weeks and see what happens

I have had 10 hair transplant procedures and my hair has never looked better with topical dutasteride. I just want my six pack back while having the hair.

I'm glad to hear that topical dutasteride has worked for you. I'm interested in using it myself because oral Duta shuts down my libido. Did you have any side effects with oral Duta? What's your topical Duta dose?

 

[AndrewBarnes]

Im really not clued up on this but why the hell would anyone prone to hair loss go near roids? how muscular does someone need to be? I can't see why someone would value a bit more extra muscle over their hair.

You'd be surprised how much a great body turns girls on

 

[AndrewBarnes]

Its not as extreme as that. You dont lose all of your hair when you take steroids. Even people with bad hairloss dont go bald after a few cycles.

You answered the question yourself. Why would anyone who has hairloss, take steroids? If not taking steroids was an option for me/us, then we wouldnt take them. We still do, which means that being muscular makes us happier than hair. Personally for me, being jacked is way too great for my entire life to simply ignore it. And losing a bit of hair for such a big improvement of my life and well-being is totally worth it for me.

Some people just do it wrong and wreck their hair. They take substances that are too harsh for hair. Or they take amounts that are too harsh too, and then they dont lift and eat and try to compensate with more steroids, while wrecking more and more of their hair. Sometimes its kinda sad to see the kinda state people are in on PEDs.
If you do it right, keep your dosages low, protect your hair as best as possible, lift and eat enough, you'll end up with minimal hairloss and great gains. That only applies to people who simply want to look jacked and impressive for the normal folk. Obviously if you want to be a bodybuilder you have to take amounts that will wreck your hair no matter what

From the substances you've tried, which one gave you the least amount of hair loss? In the past I tried RAD140, YK-11, Test-E, 1-Andro (1-Test/DHB), and Anavar. I'm not sure which one was the most hair safe for me because I didn't have a hair catcher back when I did the cycles.

 

[Prada1]

What are your guys thoughts of Var vs EQ in terms of hairloss and results? I loved DHB and tren but I don’t dare touch those due to sides. I’m done doing even moderate cycles. Was thinking of 250mgs test and maybe 40mgs var. I think maybe using RU because my hair is fine except around the hairline where it’s thinned out. I think my dutas is increasing test and hairline is sensitive to that but not sure

 

[AndrewBarnes]

What are your guys thoughts of Var vs EQ in terms of hairloss and results? I loved DHB and tren but I don’t dare touch those due to sides. I’m done doing even moderate cycles. Was thinking of 250mgs test and maybe 40mgs var. I think maybe using RU because my hair is fine except around the hairline where it’s thinned out. I think my dutas is increasing test and hairline is sensitive to that but not sure

DHB is absolutely amazing and I only tried the oral version (1-Andro). Powerful stuff. How androgenic is DHB compared to Test? Since DHB doesn't convert to estrogen you need a test base to increase estrogen levels, but what if estrogen pills or estrogen cream is used instead to raise E so DHT and Test remain low and thus reduce hair loss?

Var is a DHT derivative so it's gotta be terrible for hair. I tried var for only 1-2 weeks but my hair began shedding so I stopped. One day I lost 55 hairs in the shower (usually it's around 15-20)

 

[soundnvision]

What are your guys thoughts of Var vs EQ in terms of hairloss and results? I loved DHB and tren but I don’t dare touch those due to sides. I’m done doing even moderate cycles. Was thinking of 250mgs test and maybe 40mgs var. I think maybe using RU because my hair is fine except around the hairline where it’s thinned out. I think my dutas is increasing test and hairline is sensitive to that but not sure

Var is safe in my experience, just make sure its actually var.95% of it is fake and worst of all its usually faked as winstol which will destroy your hair.

 

[soundnvision]

DHB is absolutely amazing and I only tried the oral version (1-Andro). Powerful stuff. How androgenic is DHB compared to Test? Since DHB doesn't convert to estrogen you need a test base to increase estrogen levels, but what if estrogen pills or estrogen cream is used instead to raise E so DHT and Test remain low and thus reduce hair loss?

Var is a DHT derivative so it's gotta be terrible for hair. I tried var for only 1-2 weeks but my hair began shedding so I stopped. One day I lost 55 hairs in the shower (usually it's around 15-20)

Var is safe for hair, chances are you were taking winstrol instead which sheds your hair.

 

[soundnvision]

Topical Finasteride is worthless if you are on HCG

How long have you been on HCG for?

Topical Dutasteride and RU + Laser Cap or Dermarolling will prevent any hair loss.

You are attacking all 3 roots of male pattern baldness. Test, DHT and Inflammation.

Where do you get topical dutasteride?

 

[Prada1]

Yes anecdotally var seems to be one of the safest along with test with dutas and deca with no dutas. I think the whole “dht derivative “ is misunderstood.

 

[Mustang]

I'm glad to hear that topical dutasteride has worked for you. I'm interested in using it myself because oral Duta shuts down my libido. Did you have any side effects with oral Duta? What's your topical Duta dose?

Unfortunately yes. Massive sides with Oral Dutasteride.
No sides with Topical though. I was using 0.5% once a week roughly. I also used 1%.
I am now going to start using 0.1% every other day.
I think you can get away with a low dose and still bee very effective at blocking DHT on the scalp.