hard time believing proxiphen is better than fluridil wrong?

[stax]

I just have a hard time believing that the amount of spironolactone in proxiphen and spironolactone itself is a better anti-androgen than flurudil and as effective at maintaining and regrowing hair. Am i wrong? Can i get everybody's experiences with Fluridil and everybody's experiences with Proxiphen so i can finally put an end to this topic? Are the other weird ingredients in proxiphen really effective? I really want to make the absolute best choice and i can only afford and fit one of the two in my daily shedule. Please guys i really need everybody's help on this one and i would really appreciate it. Thanks!

 

[Guest]

I've been frequenting this site for a long time now and have heard of proxiphen since the first day I came here... Obviously it is a topical, but for some reason I thought it was like a shampoo or somthing. Is this right?

I also remember seeing Brian Shelton's hair pics after only using proxiphen for a couple of years. No change, no increase in hair loss, seemed pretty amazing... but i heard it is expensive.

 

[global]

Actually i think Bryan used Prox-N (the non prescription version).

Fluridil is a hard one cos there really isn't that much to back it up scientifically apart from the makers own study which seems to have been flawed in its design anyway. On the other hand many people have reported success with it.

I think fluridil and proxiphen are really two different approaches anyway, for me fluridil is a straightforward anti androgen whilst prox is a growth agent which happens to have an anti androgen added i.e minoxidil and other growth promoting substances with spironolactone.

If you already have a good anti-DHT in your regime e.g. propecia or dutasteride then I would go for prox over fluridil, but if you aren't having success with Propecia or dutasteride then you could try replacing them with fluridil.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Bryan]

I certainly agree that spironolactone is only a rather mediocre topical antiandrogen, especially in the rather smallish amounts used in prescription Proxiphen. Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me at all if it turns out that fluridil is a more effective antiandrogen than spironolactone. However, as the first poster points out, spironolactone is only one in a LONG list of ingredients in Proxiphen, so comparing fluridil and Proxiphen directly doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Given that choice myself, I'd still opt for Proxiphen, thanks to all those other exotic ingredients (not the spironolactone).

Bryan

 

[Old Baldy]

Makes sense (what you both said) Global and Bryan.

Bryan: From all I've read, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate topical spironolactone. at around "5". Where would you rate it? To me, it's kind of a "medium" type of anti-androgen. Do you think that is too high a rating?

Do you think topical spironolactone. isn't a great treatment because it doesn't get to the dp well enough, etc.?

Global: Have you tried topical spironolactone? What's your take on it? I use Doctor Lee's 5 percent and my homemade concoction from Bryan's recipe. (I learned about Bryan's recipe after buying Doctor Lee's product. I'll use it up then stick with Bryan's recipe, with a couple of wacko "tweaks", because it is cosmetically acceptable.)

Oh btw Global, I also use Doctor Proctor's conditioner to mix spironolactone into (it's a good base for homemade concoctions IMHO). I think of it as my "premium" concoction. Smells good and is also very cosmetically acceptable.

 

[dead]

what is Bryans recipe ??

cheers

Ty

 

[Old Baldy]

Tynan: It is a 3 percent mix of spironolactone. tablets into a neutral cream. (Bryan uses Dermovan but you could use Cetaphil, Neutrogena Neutral Cream and a whole host of other neutral creams. Dermovan is a little greasier than Cetaphil.)

If you make a 60 ml batch of cream, put in 18, 100mg spironolactone. tablets. I use one of those hand-held coffee grinders to "pulverize" the spironolactone. tablets. This gives you a 3 percent mix. (Pretty strong.) Keep in the refridgerator.

I've read that 2 to 3 percent is fine. So if you want to only use 12 tablets that's ok. The reason I say this is there is a lot of powder from 18 pills. Also, you might want to add, let's say, 6, 200 mg phenytoin capsules to 12 spironolactone. tablets to make your mix. This would give you a 2 percent spironolactone. and 2 percent phenytoin mix. (You get the idea.)

Tynan: I've noticed from reading patents on these types of things that the typical range for active ingredients is stated at roughly 0.5 percent to about 3 percent. Some ranges are higher but, once again, you get the idea.

 

[global]

Makes sense (what you both said) Global and Bryan.

Bryan: From all I've read, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate topical spironolactone. at around "5". Where would you rate it? To me, it's kind of a "medium" type of anti-androgen. Do you think that is too high a rating?

Do you think topical spironolactone. isn't a great treatment because it doesn't get to the dp well enough, etc.?

Global: Have you tried topical spironolactone? What's your take on it? I use Doctor Lee's 5 percent and my homemade concoction from Bryan's recipe. (I learned about Bryan's recipe after buying Doctor Lee's product. I'll use it up then stick with Bryan's recipe, with a couple of wacko "tweaks", because it is cosmetically acceptable.)

Oh btw Global, I also use Doctor Proctor's conditioner to mix spironolactone into (it's a good base for homemade concoctions IMHO). I think of it as my "premium" concoction. Smells good and is also very cosmetically acceptable.

Hi Old Baldy, yes, as you can see from my signature I use both 2% and 5% spironolactone (both from Dr. Lee). I feel they help to "mop up" any remaining DHT not eliminated by dutasteride aswell as protect from any other androgens which MAY play a part in male pattern baldness.

I have played around with making my own homemade spironolactone in the past but in the end I got fed up doing it. My thinning areas are not big and as I only use a very small amount of any topical (usually around 0.5 ml)the cost is not such a big issue for me.

 

[Rust1]

Where do you get spironolactone tablets?

 

[stax]

The thing is guys im already using Xandrox 5 and 15 for regrowth, im using Propecia for DHT inhibiting, and basically i dont have a strong anti-androgen in the mix. Im using proxiphen for almost 4 months now and nothing mind blowing. I really think that my hair is effected by testosterone myself and i would really like to block it from doing damage. I also forgot to mention im using Nano shampoo and conditioner 3 times per week and Dr.Lee's regrowth shampoo 3 times per week.

Basically im a norwood 2 and diffuse. When i comb my hair forward you cant tell but i can spike up my hair you'll notice the diffuse. It sucks. I need some nice maintainance and thickening overall. My hairline has filled up with semi-terminal hairs and i need to push them to terminal. I mean what would be more effective in contributing to my regrowth? letting the androgens like testosterone effect my hair while the weird ingrediants in proxiphen are doing their work for regrowth? or blocking the androgens and not having proxiphens weird ingrediants for regrowth? Wouldnt blocking the androgens be more effective so there is a healthy environment for new hairs to grow and become terminal with my combination of Xandrox 5 & 15 to stimulate actual regrowth? I just want to make the right choice that will help me acheive what i want the best. Im so confused. Thanks.

 

[stax]

common guys bump please.

 

[Old Baldy]

Makes sense (what you both said) Global and Bryan.

Bryan: From all I've read, on a scale of 1 to 10, I would rate topical spironolactone. at around "5". Where would you rate it? To me, it's kind of a "medium" type of anti-androgen. Do you think that is too high a rating?

Do you think topical spironolactone. isn't a great treatment because it doesn't get to the dp well enough, etc.?

Global: Have you tried topical spironolactone? What's your take on it? I use Doctor Lee's 5 percent and my homemade concoction from Bryan's recipe. (I learned about Bryan's recipe after buying Doctor Lee's product. I'll use it up then stick with Bryan's recipe, with a couple of wacko "tweaks", because it is cosmetically acceptable.)

Oh btw Global, I also use Doctor Proctor's conditioner to mix spironolactone into (it's a good base for homemade concoctions IMHO). I think of it as my "premium" concoction. Smells good and is also very cosmetically acceptable.

Hi Old Baldy, yes, as you can see from my signature I use both 2% and 5% spironolactone (both from Dr. Lee). I feel they help to "mop up" any remaining DHT not eliminated by dutasteride aswell as protect from any other androgens which MAY play a part in male pattern baldness.

I have played around with making my own homemade spironolactone in the past but in the end I got fed up doing it. My thinning areas are not big and as I only use a very small amount of any topical (usually around 0.5 ml)the cost is not such a big issue for me.

Didn't even see your signature! Duh!!

Makes sense if you have a small bald spot to just buy the stuff. Plus it probably gets "old" making your own topicals over the long haul. I'm still in the beginning stage if you know what I mean.

 

[stax]

common guys please i really need your help on my last posts question. Anybody have enough knowledge to help me out on this one? Thanks!

 

[global]

common guys please i really need your help on my last posts question. Anybody have enough knowledge to help me out on this one? Thanks!

Hi Stax, if you're using proxiphen then this already has spironolactone in it, so i dont really see what more you can do. I think your regime is already quite comprehensive, just give it time to work and don't worry excessively about testosterone, DHT is much more important.

 

[stax]

hey global, thanks for your help and advice and everybody else who poster here. I guess your right in a way and i just hope the amount of spironolactone in proxiphen will really help out with test and extra dht finasteride doesnt block. Do you know how long it would take a diffuse thinner to get some nice thickening so i can spike up my hair you nobody could notice the diffuse?

I guess if in 8 more months if im not happy i might switch to dutasteride and add fluridil and drop proxiphen. What do you think?

 

[Guest]

global,
is spironolactone effective for you? do you think spironolactone can maintain without dutasteride?
thanks!

 

[stax]

Bryan or anybody could you please help me out with my last questions? please thanks.