A part of me wants to see Histogen go bankrupt. If your product doesn't work on such a level that you need to falsify the results to even be considered a valid option of treatment, chances are your product doesn't work. And if your product doesn't work, you shouldn't have tried to sell it. f*****g histogram
I've made the decision to simply, from now on, not engage any of the tools screaming about how everything is "fake" or "the past..." blah blah blah. Like I keep saying: People want pictures, but pictures don't matter because they will instantly resort to "fake'.
Ignoring them is the only thing you can do, since the mods only give a sh*t about thread derailment or hostility when you're having an argument with someone that they personally don't care to read in an already wildly off-topic thread or if you raise the point that a product championed in the shop has no strong evidence supporting its efficacy. Then you get threatened.
Simply don't engage these people — it's the only thing that might work.
A part of me wants to see Histogen go bankrupt. If your product doesn't work on such a level that you need to falsify the results to even be considered a valid option of treatment, chances are your product doesn't work. And if your product doesn't work, you shouldn't have tried to sell it. f*****g histogram
Histogen in my opinion only shows all the hardships of getting a biotech off the ground.
They had safety concerns with the cell injections.
So they had to invent an incubator that grows those cells to harvest only the growth factors.
The incubator is tiny from an industrial standpoint and hard to scale, and barely grows enough cells for their trials. Still an incredible engineering feat and probably insane development costs.
Then they got sued for five years.
And even though the microscope (trichogram) pictures clearly show awesome growth, they don't find big investors.
For me histogen is probably the most open and honest company in biotech and I really hope they survive to market. Don't get me started with the Ziering trial photos. You can't read anything out of them; typical Ziering fake.
And on a side note: Replicel is consisting basically of Dr. Hoffman and that CEO and three scientists probably.
The fact that they get sued by shiseido right now is clearly because they didn't hire good lawyers to make a solid contract.
It was clear from the beginning that there will probably be no trial in Germany and the way shiseido is screwing them over is basically theft of technology.
And on a side note: Replicel is consisting basically of Dr. Hoffman and that CEO and three scientists probably.
The fact that they get sued by shiseido right now is clearly because they didn't hire good lawyers to make a solid contract.
It was clear from the beginning that there will probably be no trial in Germany and the way shiseido is screwing them over is basically theft of technology.
“In a worst case scenario wherein Shiseido is able to show breach of contract by RepliCel, we may lose some or all rights to milestone and royalty payments from Shiseido but still be in a position to capitalize on the product’s enormous potential everywhere else in the world. In the meantime, we remain steadfast to our position that the mutual obligations in the agreement remain intact,” Buckler concluded.
I don't doubt that Histogen does something, and I'm not claiming the pic is photoshopped - there's just no evidence that it works well enough to get excited. One picture doesn't mean anything (you can find far more amazing results with just finasteride or minoxidil). IMO, they need to just shut up until trials start or they have more evidence.
Also we don't know whether or not they started their phase III trials, they very well could have. Shiseido's trial was going on for months before we got confirmation it started. They're presenting at that stem cell summit in less than 2 weeks we'll know if they've started the trial then. there's no evidence either way in terms of their trial starting I don't understand how people come to the conclusion it hasn't started.
Do you have these figures reversed? Maybe I'm misunderstanding but how can the terminal hair increase be more than two times greater than the overall hair count increase?
Do you have these figures reversed? Maybe I'm misunderstanding but how can the terminal hair increase be more than two times greater than the overall hair count increase?
This is easy. For example, under one possible scenario, you have 100 hairs, of which 40 are terminal. After Histogen treatment, you have 40 * (1 + 123%) = 89 terminal hairs now, but your number of vellus hair remained the same. So now you have a total of 149 hairs, which makes a 49% increase in total hair count.
A part of me wants to see Histogen go bankrupt. If your product doesn't work on such a level that you need to falsify the results to even be considered a valid option of treatment, chances are your product doesn't work. And if your product doesn't work, you shouldn't have tried to sell it. f*****g histogram
it's interesting how you still don't see the clear fraud in this before/after pics. it's an obvious combing+angle trick. i don't even care about the lighting. you used to debunk such frauds in the past.
i have great respect for you and all you did for the community so far... but you will be very dissapointed with histogen soon. this whole histogen fraud starting in mexico will be a huge fiasko. they will make millions though, before after some years people realize it's a scam... see dr. gho
but we couldn't care less really. tsuji is the real deal. and i'm personally also excited for follica and replicel
Yeah in the first photo there isn't nearly enough hair to pull off a comb-over technique to showcase anything remotely close to the second picture, with 100% certainty there is re growth and that guy clearly had very severe balding
I agree, there is real growth in those pictures. My question is, why is only one case provided? If regrowth was that dramatic, why weren't more patient photos released?
^ yeah some of you have big time expectations you might want to temper. Those results aren't a grand slam but they're also not non- existent, they're somewhere in the middle.
If you think the pictures are fraudulent that's one thing I suppose, but look at the third picture and where that line is drawn. Clearly some healthy looking terminal hairs about an inch or more south of the before pics. And remember they're still tinkering with dosage and frequency. This is meant to be compounded with other treatments to halt hair loss and regrow some hair. You're not going to look like Bradley Cooper anytime soon..
