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You make a lot of random rambling points, but you dont really make `A point` if you know what i mean. I know what your getting at and i appreciate some of it.
While were at it, soundbites, soundbites!!!!! :lol:
While were at it, soundbites, soundbites!!!!! :lol:
Thanks guys for acknowledging my opinions, whether pro or con. I appreciate it regardless. This will be my last post in a long time.. So please excuse all of the typing.. I promise i will shut up after this.. and I thank everyone for reading such long posts, and providing feedback.. Please do not take anything as an attack, but someone just sharing his views.
One last thing then ill shut up.. When you sell science.. you get alot of believers. Have any of you guys watched the video documentaries on this web site? When you watch these documentaries about hairloss treatments, you feel as if you are watching something legit, scientific, almost a non biased discussion about research, medicines, and ways to combat hairloss in the most proven effective way. I definitely felt that way when watching it. Now turn on your tv to an avacore commercial, seeing some fake looking actor in a race car saying yeah baby, avocor worked for me. You just get a sense of marketing hype, less scientific realism..
But you know what, when you think about it, they are both the same.. Those documentaries on this website are basically paid advertisements by MERCK. However, they have actual doctors and dermatologists advertising for them.. And some of what the doctors say about the products contradict what most people who have taken them find out. You watch the doctors speak, and youll definitely get a sense that they are promoting propecia much more then rogaine.. In fact one doctor even made a direct claim that propecia grows more hair then rogaine.. And we all know that is not true in most cases. They also say that half a percent suffer any form of sexual side effects.. And if you read the forums, you know that ALOT more do. Another video meant to balance out the works, and fake an open scope view, had a brief documentary about hairreplacements. The guy they chose to represent hair systems almost made me laugh.. "yeah i got all kind of wigs, wigs are good. you glue wig to the head.. and it sticks. "
Here is a specific example, found right on this website, that can serve as almost a tiny window into the real corruption that goes on. You have doctors and people with PHD's advertising for a product engineered by big bad *** merck, and if you analyze the dialog closely, you can see its marketed towards propecia, and hair transplants.. While at the same time discrediting hair replacement systems, and herbal/natural remedies. Hair systems are very good today, and in my honest opinion they are the best, practical method of fighting hairloss,, But that is just my own opinion.. There is alot of corruption with hair systems that goes on as well. Hair replacement today can fall into three marketing categories , and you will find most major hairloss web sites take on a biased view. You have the snake oil/herbal remedies, The Drugs and transplants view ..... and hair replacement systems. None of these three groups like each other much, and all will put each other down..
Drug and transplants people will make hair systems out to be fake looking rugs that are obvious to everyone.. Which they arent anymore, they have come a long way.. and i know this for a fact because I own a partial system.. ANd the wig sellers, will either make transplants out to be gross looking hairplugs, which they arent anymore, or stress the limited donor area issues.. They will also state how ineffective drugs are...
I appologize for this HUGEEE post, but I will not be making another one anytime soon.. SO please excuse all the typing.. I sum it up with this main point.. I noticed that whatever hairsite I visit, the participants somehow take on the biased view being portrayed by the marketing hype.. If your looking for a hairloss solution, depending on what web site, or source of information you choose to internalize, you could probably be totally convinced one way or the other.. My advice to any newbie who is reading forums, and going through web sites... Everyone wants to make money, and no one markets for free.. Find out who is paying and who is not.. Be skeptical of everything, and find a solution that is PRACTICAL, cost effective, and the one you feel most comfortable with without worrying about risks.. Look at where your gettin the source of information, and understand why the people giving you this information would want to convince you to buy the product.. have this view with everything, even clinical data.. even FDA approved substances.. Try to find small, low funded forums where you get a sense of truth, and open opinions without any obvious bias... Look at the web site your visiting, use common sense,, and try to determine which products/solutions are being pushed.. and then understand that they are most likely being paid to do so.. This is the best advice I can give anyone who is trying to do their research.. With this.. I thank everyone for their input.. and I hope no one has taken my general statements, opinions and hostile attacks.. Thanks.
One last thing then ill shut up.. When you sell science.. you get alot of believers. Have any of you guys watched the video documentaries on this web site? When you watch these documentaries about hairloss treatments, you feel as if you are watching something legit, scientific, almost a non biased discussion about research, medicines, and ways to combat hairloss in the most proven effective way. I definitely felt that way when watching it. Now turn on your tv to an avacore commercial, seeing some fake looking actor in a race car saying yeah baby, avocor worked for me. You just get a sense of marketing hype, less scientific realism..
But you know what, when you think about it, they are both the same.. Those documentaries on this website are basically paid advertisements by MERCK. However, they have actual doctors and dermatologists advertising for them.. And some of what the doctors say about the products contradict what most people who have taken them find out. You watch the doctors speak, and youll definitely get a sense that they are promoting propecia much more then rogaine.. In fact one doctor even made a direct claim that propecia grows more hair then rogaine.. And we all know that is not true in most cases. They also say that half a percent suffer any form of sexual side effects.. And if you read the forums, you know that ALOT more do. Another video meant to balance out the works, and fake an open scope view, had a brief documentary about hairreplacements. The guy they chose to represent hair systems almost made me laugh.. "yeah i got all kind of wigs, wigs are good. you glue wig to the head.. and it sticks. "
Here is a specific example, found right on this website, that can serve as almost a tiny window into the real corruption that goes on. You have doctors and people with PHD's advertising for a product engineered by big bad *** merck, and if you analyze the dialog closely, you can see its marketed towards propecia, and hair transplants.. While at the same time discrediting hair replacement systems, and herbal/natural remedies. Hair systems are very good today, and in my honest opinion they are the best, practical method of fighting hairloss,, But that is just my own opinion.. There is alot of corruption with hair systems that goes on as well. Hair replacement today can fall into three marketing categories , and you will find most major hairloss web sites take on a biased view. You have the snake oil/herbal remedies, The Drugs and transplants view ..... and hair replacement systems. None of these three groups like each other much, and all will put each other down..
Drug and transplants people will make hair systems out to be fake looking rugs that are obvious to everyone.. Which they arent anymore, they have come a long way.. and i know this for a fact because I own a partial system.. ANd the wig sellers, will either make transplants out to be gross looking hairplugs, which they arent anymore, or stress the limited donor area issues.. They will also state how ineffective drugs are...
I appologize for this HUGEEE post, but I will not be making another one anytime soon.. SO please excuse all the typing.. I sum it up with this main point.. I noticed that whatever hairsite I visit, the participants somehow take on the biased view being portrayed by the marketing hype.. If your looking for a hairloss solution, depending on what web site, or source of information you choose to internalize, you could probably be totally convinced one way or the other.. My advice to any newbie who is reading forums, and going through web sites... Everyone wants to make money, and no one markets for free.. Find out who is paying and who is not.. Be skeptical of everything, and find a solution that is PRACTICAL, cost effective, and the one you feel most comfortable with without worrying about risks.. Look at where your gettin the source of information, and understand why the people giving you this information would want to convince you to buy the product.. have this view with everything, even clinical data.. even FDA approved substances.. Try to find small, low funded forums where you get a sense of truth, and open opinions without any obvious bias... Look at the web site your visiting, use common sense,, and try to determine which products/solutions are being pushed.. and then understand that they are most likely being paid to do so.. This is the best advice I can give anyone who is trying to do their research.. With this.. I thank everyone for their input.. and I hope no one has taken my general statements, opinions and hostile attacks.. Thanks.
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Again you make a number of very broad generalizations. Yes there are large corporations making pharma and yes they are making money doing this. They better, since I hold stock in many of them, I want them to make money.
And deliver a good product. On balance, these companies do that and there are no guarantees that eveything you take will turn out for you. I think I made it pretty clear that I am not an endorser of taking drugs for hair loss. Othres can do it or not.
And I don't ignore that taking drugs involves risk. That is the bottom line here, that taking drugs can increase your risk of a side effect and can yield a benefit. So, having said that, many of us take propecia to deal with male pattern baldness and we understand the risks and rewards.
I guess my question to you is this. You make many allusions to some form of collusion between govt, big pharma and MDs. Yet, you offer no proof, only that it is so.
I have spent my entire career in the health care and I have heard this stuff over and over. Yet, no one comes up with the smoking gun. The plain fact is that there are so many diff. folks after your health care dollar that they are certainly not going to collude to get it.
Moreover, back to male pattern baldness, just exactly how is moderation going to help you save your hair? What are you recommending to those with male pattern baldness if they are not to use propecia and minoxidil?
And deliver a good product. On balance, these companies do that and there are no guarantees that eveything you take will turn out for you. I think I made it pretty clear that I am not an endorser of taking drugs for hair loss. Othres can do it or not.
And I don't ignore that taking drugs involves risk. That is the bottom line here, that taking drugs can increase your risk of a side effect and can yield a benefit. So, having said that, many of us take propecia to deal with male pattern baldness and we understand the risks and rewards.
I guess my question to you is this. You make many allusions to some form of collusion between govt, big pharma and MDs. Yet, you offer no proof, only that it is so.
I have spent my entire career in the health care and I have heard this stuff over and over. Yet, no one comes up with the smoking gun. The plain fact is that there are so many diff. folks after your health care dollar that they are certainly not going to collude to get it.
Moreover, back to male pattern baldness, just exactly how is moderation going to help you save your hair? What are you recommending to those with male pattern baldness if they are not to use propecia and minoxidil?
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BTW- the long term studies on the Atkins Diet indicate it is quite healthy indeed!
PS-yes I am a big fan of the Atkins Diet.
PS-yes I am a big fan of the Atkins Diet.
Stinger122
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The Atkins diet is healthy? Uhm, I have read so many websites that say it can cause kidney problems etc and it is one of the most dangerous diets out there?!?! Where did you get your sources from? I can't really comment on whether its good or bad, but here are some of the sites I have read:
http://suewidemark.netfirms.com/atkinsdiet_aha.htm
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/conte ... _page.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/co ... _page.html
http://www.atkins-diet.cc/
You notice how they mainly comment on the LONG TERM RISKS of the diet? I for one believe in the food pyramid and believe getting things in moderation and exercising is the best thing to do.
Oh well, what a weird world... I bet there is some positive information out there though (Just keeping an open mind)
http://suewidemark.netfirms.com/atkinsdiet_aha.htm
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/conte ... _page.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/co ... _page.html
http://www.atkins-diet.cc/
You notice how they mainly comment on the LONG TERM RISKS of the diet? I for one believe in the food pyramid and believe getting things in moderation and exercising is the best thing to do.
Oh well, what a weird world... I bet there is some positive information out there though (Just keeping an open mind)
Redbone
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once again we have the same thing over and over again. If you want to take proven treatments and save your hair do it, if not don't. I speak for many people on this board when I say we hate to hear people preaching about what we should and should not do for hairloss.
And I do not think it is right for somone to come on this board and talk sh*t so we can all read it. Talking sh*t is someones opinion without factual evidence such as statements like drug companies own doctors. It goes beyond opinion into false accusations and that is when people start to get offended. This isn't the X-Files or Dreamland....
Be intelligent and stick to the facts. There are allot of young guys who are confused about hairloss, when they read a thread like that it can be devastating to them. This site is about copeing and helping with hairloss not spreading false information and urban legends. Just the facts please.
And I do not think it is right for somone to come on this board and talk sh*t so we can all read it. Talking sh*t is someones opinion without factual evidence such as statements like drug companies own doctors. It goes beyond opinion into false accusations and that is when people start to get offended. This isn't the X-Files or Dreamland....
Be intelligent and stick to the facts. There are allot of young guys who are confused about hairloss, when they read a thread like that it can be devastating to them. This site is about copeing and helping with hairloss not spreading false information and urban legends. Just the facts please.
Stinger122
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Im really shocked with your reply redbone...
1) Point to me where he said what to do and what not to do? Go on...
2) "Be intelligent and stick to the facts. There are allot of young guys who are confused about hairloss, when they read a thread like that it can be devastating to them. This site is about copeing and helping with hairloss not spreading false information and urban legends. Just the facts please."
Just because the FDA approves something its a fact? They speak for the billions of people out there? If the FDA approved jumping off a bridge would help you live longer would you do it? By the sounds of it yes, because it would be a fact cause the FDA said so!
There are a lot of confused young people on this message board, im 18 and im glad there are negative and positive comments on this board, Paladin is not gonna affect my choice on taking propecia or not and neither are you! I have my own BRAIN, I make the decisions in my life, its great to hear what EVERYBODY says!
Are you trying to say we should only hear positive comments and brain wash others into believing there is nothing wrong with propecia? Because that is exactly what your post is implying.
Not to be harsh or anything with my post, but I think you really are simple minded judging from your post. If you don't like what you have just read, don't reply to it, its as simple as that.
Believe my post is 'bullshit' if you want, doesnt bother me!
Im not picking on anybody on this forum, but when I read threads I see replys just like yours where people slate each other!
1) Point to me where he said what to do and what not to do? Go on...
2) "Be intelligent and stick to the facts. There are allot of young guys who are confused about hairloss, when they read a thread like that it can be devastating to them. This site is about copeing and helping with hairloss not spreading false information and urban legends. Just the facts please."
Just because the FDA approves something its a fact? They speak for the billions of people out there? If the FDA approved jumping off a bridge would help you live longer would you do it? By the sounds of it yes, because it would be a fact cause the FDA said so!
There are a lot of confused young people on this message board, im 18 and im glad there are negative and positive comments on this board, Paladin is not gonna affect my choice on taking propecia or not and neither are you! I have my own BRAIN, I make the decisions in my life, its great to hear what EVERYBODY says!
Are you trying to say we should only hear positive comments and brain wash others into believing there is nothing wrong with propecia? Because that is exactly what your post is implying.
Not to be harsh or anything with my post, but I think you really are simple minded judging from your post. If you don't like what you have just read, don't reply to it, its as simple as that.
Believe my post is 'bullshit' if you want, doesnt bother me!
Im not picking on anybody on this forum, but when I read threads I see replys just like yours where people slate each other!
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Stinger122 said:
Not a shred of science in those articles, simply some folks railing against the Diet. Actually, Harvard just finished an impressive study on Atkins and the response from the dietician camp was, "well we just dont believe it."
Not surprising. These guys cannot admit that the diet does work since they really don't think it can.
And so it goes.
If you want to see the last 3-4 studies on Atkins and weight loss, check out thei site, as they are referenced there.
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Stinger122 said:
Again I dont think anyone is pushing drugs on this forum. And, the FDA data is the best and most reliable science we have on hair loss treatments. See that I said best and most reliable, not only and perfect.
So, it is factual that these companies ran these trials under independent supervision. It is also factual that they have a years of data and market experience.
It is also factual that they dont work for everyone nor are side effects unheard of.
It is also factual that outside of FDA studies, we have, well, opinions.
And that is about all we have on substances such as saw palmetto, biotin, and the like.
So, the drug advocates have FDA data and the opponents have their opinions!
Let the good times roll!
Redbone
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Without the FDA and modern science we might as well go back to the dark ages. Your comment about being simple minded just shows how unfortunatly immature and stupid you are. I am about twice your age and see young confused guys like you come through here all the time. Your only power in this life thus far is to read literature - fact or fiction, you believe it- young people are quite nieve.
Because you are just 18 I will spare you a good flogging, you see I have compassion for you because I know how difficult your strugle will be. As for me and the gifts of modern science and the products you say don't work and are dangerous I have a nice head of hair. Science has provided us with viable solutions for hairloss it is only logical to use whatever tools that are available to us. I don't recommend Propecia to anyone under 25 as it could permanently screw up your hormones- Your body is still developing. Like many others like you who have come through here you have read some false information and taken it to heart. You need to find a better source of information rather than hairloss sites, like a medical doctor.
Good luck in the long run Brother. Peace
Because you are just 18 I will spare you a good flogging, you see I have compassion for you because I know how difficult your strugle will be. As for me and the gifts of modern science and the products you say don't work and are dangerous I have a nice head of hair. Science has provided us with viable solutions for hairloss it is only logical to use whatever tools that are available to us. I don't recommend Propecia to anyone under 25 as it could permanently screw up your hormones- Your body is still developing. Like many others like you who have come through here you have read some false information and taken it to heart. You need to find a better source of information rather than hairloss sites, like a medical doctor.
Good luck in the long run Brother. Peace
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Hey Redbone, I just have to comment that you are a smart, logical, and down to earth individual. It's a good thing people like you are here with us.God Bless ya
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I have read the Atkins New Diet Revolution (the atkins book), infact I am so boring I have read pretty much every book on nutrition out there.
Bruce Lee was correct in saying all your links were just people trying to rubbish something they didn't understand.
I challenge you here to show me any research that links a Atkins style diet to kidney problems, just post the link here.
All these ill informed media stories are based around a theoretical risk of a high protein diet being a strain on someone who has already got kidney damage, this is kinda like you telling people that vigorous exrecise is dangerous because it can be a risk factor to people who have advanced heart disease.
You say you have seen many web sites that tell of the kidney dangers, show me the evidence.
Have you even read the book? Do you know what the diet is.
now for a couple of quotes from your posts:
this ridiculous perversion of health logic, that is ridiculed by the worlds major nutrionalists, this inversion of sensible eating, this move that has seen the U.S move towards a carbohydrate based diet over the last 20 years at the same time as ballooning obesity levels and a rocketing diabetes epidemic is an invention of the good ol' FDA.
and another of yours:
So if you believe in the FDA food pyramid why not it's approval of propecia?
Like Redbone said if you don't know what your talking about it's best not to pepetuate the same old rumours that missinform and confuse people.
Ty
I have read the Atkins New Diet Revolution (the atkins book), infact I am so boring I have read pretty much every book on nutrition out there.
Bruce Lee was correct in saying all your links were just people trying to rubbish something they didn't understand.
I challenge you here to show me any research that links a Atkins style diet to kidney problems, just post the link here.
All these ill informed media stories are based around a theoretical risk of a high protein diet being a strain on someone who has already got kidney damage, this is kinda like you telling people that vigorous exrecise is dangerous because it can be a risk factor to people who have advanced heart disease.
You say you have seen many web sites that tell of the kidney dangers, show me the evidence.
Have you even read the book? Do you know what the diet is.
now for a couple of quotes from your posts:
this ridiculous perversion of health logic, that is ridiculed by the worlds major nutrionalists, this inversion of sensible eating, this move that has seen the U.S move towards a carbohydrate based diet over the last 20 years at the same time as ballooning obesity levels and a rocketing diabetes epidemic is an invention of the good ol' FDA.
and another of yours:
So if you believe in the FDA food pyramid why not it's approval of propecia?
Like Redbone said if you don't know what your talking about it's best not to pepetuate the same old rumours that missinform and confuse people.
Ty
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Good stuff!
Thanks
Good stuff!
Thanks
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Obviously my points are going to be thrown out the window, and some of the feedback is rediculous.. And although I could argue with you, it would go on and on, and it is just a waste of energy, because people on here will always have the last word..
Sometimes in life, you must use your intelligence, and common sense.. All I hear is wheres the facts, wheres the data.. Would you want me to develop my own clinical trials, and document my theories? Sorry I dont have the money for that, but huge pharmaseutical companies do, and thats the point.. Obviously we have a bunch of BLACK and WHITE thinkers on here, and usually nothing is black and white.. THe point of my post was to be aware of the grey area.. And for people new to hairloss to understand that THE INDUSTRY IS GOVERNED BY MONEY AND MARKETING PERIOD. Is that to say science is sh*t? Is that to say medications wont save your life, or make you grow some hair? NO! But understand there is more to it than that.. And the bottom line is I can go into detail, and bring up some data and business cases.. But for what? You seem to have it all figured out, you understand the risks, You have made a choice.. Who is saying you are wrong, or that you shouldnt make the choices you did.. NOT ME.. I have stated nothing BUT REALITIES that anyone with half a brain would know, despite a sheet of facts..
Of course this post will generate a bunch of other replys that comment on things I say out of context.. I am done talkin about drugs, and hairloss.. Many people on here have made the choice to do it.. and its silly for me to give my opinion.. But MY GOD the fucken atkins diet?
I would figure most people here would be a fan of such a non-logical diet.. and yeah, I did read the book.. And i know people on the diet since it was introduced.. I understand the logic of the Atkins diet.. and there whole explanation about the cavemen, and how the body functioned.. and all the theories about teaching the body to break up fats etc.. I dont want to reiterate the main themes of the book in detail.. and of course ill get a post about that.. and that i really know nothing about the diet..
But ultimately the atkins diet is INGENIOUS.. do you know why it is INGENIOUS? Because it allows fat people to continue to indulge themselves and believe they are doing the right thing.. Instead of breaking the real problem.. There over indulgence or addiction to food.. They are being told.. HEY EAT ALL THE FUCKEN STEAKS U WANT.. ITS GOOD FOR YOU.. SO all the fatsos rush for the diet, cause its a heavy mans dream diet. Lets go back to common sense again.... In order to gain weight, you must consume.. That is not only common sense.. but if you disagree with that your a damn fool.. The best diet is less consumption period.. . ANd ok how can i prove that? Wtf do you think a gastric bypass does? Its pretty damn simple.. It reduces the stomach size so much, that its forcing you not to consume.. SIMPLE. thus you lose weight.. MEAT is not meant to be consumed in the amounts that carbs are.. If you look at the basic composition of meat, and carbs, its pretty obvious.. Talking about cave days is retarded, because not only were their life spans equivilent to a cat.. The digestive system functioned differently. We used to eat raw meats and vegetables, try eating grass now, see what happens.
Again, moderation and common sense.. Eat balanced, avoid fatty foods, and most importantly try to break away from the addiction of over indulging in foods, and you will be a very healthy person.
You know i was really tempted to provide some information from NYU's resource library about particular forms of cancer research that have went BYE BYE, by .. hmmm i wonder who..????.. I have read it before, I wish i saved it, because the information is pretty hard to obtain due to obvious reasons.. But if i come across it, I suggest you read it.. It will summarize everything I have said, and put my opinions into perspective.
Obviously my points are going to be thrown out the window, and some of the feedback is rediculous.. And although I could argue with you, it would go on and on, and it is just a waste of energy, because people on here will always have the last word..
Sometimes in life, you must use your intelligence, and common sense.. All I hear is wheres the facts, wheres the data.. Would you want me to develop my own clinical trials, and document my theories? Sorry I dont have the money for that, but huge pharmaseutical companies do, and thats the point.. Obviously we have a bunch of BLACK and WHITE thinkers on here, and usually nothing is black and white.. THe point of my post was to be aware of the grey area.. And for people new to hairloss to understand that THE INDUSTRY IS GOVERNED BY MONEY AND MARKETING PERIOD. Is that to say science is sh*t? Is that to say medications wont save your life, or make you grow some hair? NO! But understand there is more to it than that.. And the bottom line is I can go into detail, and bring up some data and business cases.. But for what? You seem to have it all figured out, you understand the risks, You have made a choice.. Who is saying you are wrong, or that you shouldnt make the choices you did.. NOT ME.. I have stated nothing BUT REALITIES that anyone with half a brain would know, despite a sheet of facts..
Of course this post will generate a bunch of other replys that comment on things I say out of context.. I am done talkin about drugs, and hairloss.. Many people on here have made the choice to do it.. and its silly for me to give my opinion.. But MY GOD the fucken atkins diet?
I would figure most people here would be a fan of such a non-logical diet.. and yeah, I did read the book.. And i know people on the diet since it was introduced.. I understand the logic of the Atkins diet.. and there whole explanation about the cavemen, and how the body functioned.. and all the theories about teaching the body to break up fats etc.. I dont want to reiterate the main themes of the book in detail.. and of course ill get a post about that.. and that i really know nothing about the diet..
But ultimately the atkins diet is INGENIOUS.. do you know why it is INGENIOUS? Because it allows fat people to continue to indulge themselves and believe they are doing the right thing.. Instead of breaking the real problem.. There over indulgence or addiction to food.. They are being told.. HEY EAT ALL THE FUCKEN STEAKS U WANT.. ITS GOOD FOR YOU.. SO all the fatsos rush for the diet, cause its a heavy mans dream diet. Lets go back to common sense again.... In order to gain weight, you must consume.. That is not only common sense.. but if you disagree with that your a damn fool.. The best diet is less consumption period.. . ANd ok how can i prove that? Wtf do you think a gastric bypass does? Its pretty damn simple.. It reduces the stomach size so much, that its forcing you not to consume.. SIMPLE. thus you lose weight.. MEAT is not meant to be consumed in the amounts that carbs are.. If you look at the basic composition of meat, and carbs, its pretty obvious.. Talking about cave days is retarded, because not only were their life spans equivilent to a cat.. The digestive system functioned differently. We used to eat raw meats and vegetables, try eating grass now, see what happens.
Again, moderation and common sense.. Eat balanced, avoid fatty foods, and most importantly try to break away from the addiction of over indulging in foods, and you will be a very healthy person.
You know i was really tempted to provide some information from NYU's resource library about particular forms of cancer research that have went BYE BYE, by .. hmmm i wonder who..????.. I have read it before, I wish i saved it, because the information is pretty hard to obtain due to obvious reasons.. But if i come across it, I suggest you read it.. It will summarize everything I have said, and put my opinions into perspective.
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I thought i said soundbites...soundbites!!!!!!! :lol:
The Gardener
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Paladin_X, you have some very cynical views of recent clinical discoveries to fight hair loss. I have to ask, is your cynicism equally applied to folks who use the new antihistamine meds, like Claritin? Or the latest cholesterol-reducing meds, or how about the latest anti-viral drugs that have kept many HIV sufferers alive well past their predicted life spans with extraordiary quality of life qualities?
All of the above are medications funded by what you call is so called "marketing" and "big money" and yet these drugs have been very well proven to do great benefit to humanity. Are these drugs just as suspect in your opinion as minoxidil and Propecia are to us?
All of the above are medications funded by what you call is so called "marketing" and "big money" and yet these drugs have been very well proven to do great benefit to humanity. Are these drugs just as suspect in your opinion as minoxidil and Propecia are to us?
Yes, I think my father is a perfect example of today's medicine. I think he has a life long pill for almost every problem.. Again, the point I was making was not about how effective these medications are.. Or that pharmaseutical companies are producing pure crap.. My cynical view dealing with huge companies, comes from a knowledge of what big money can do, and what big business is all about.. We take what we have to, without the medicines, some people might not even be alive today.. This is all factual, and I am not arguing that point.. What im arguing about is the grey, between the black and white.. I will try to make an analogy, to maybe clear up my point.
Have you ever read the communist manifesto? Great romantic ideology of a utopian, equal society.. There is not one country who really practiced pure communism.. And as we have found out through history, socialism does not work.. Why doesn't it work? Lets take a simple job task.. A baker.. If a baker is going to make the same profit regardless of quality, he will not possess the will, nor enthusiam to be the best baker.. However, if he can produce the best tasting cake in a capitalistic economy, he will be motivated to produce better quality.. this is a simplified example to show a simple point.. Quality, enthusiam, service, will, are all fueled by money, which turns to a fuel for power.. Once the little ameba's of competition fight, you get huge globs, almost like soap suds in water.. What happens is you get a few huge corporations who dominate and run an industry.. which leads to total stagnation.. The question is not about the medications, but look past that.. If pharm companies have the money and power to control research and development, Why wouldnt they engineer medications that would serve them the most benefit? They save lifes, they serve humanity, are they angels from above who just want to help humanity? No. Does the cholestrol medications, the hiv medications, the kimo therapy, the hair transplants, the propecias, and the rogaines generate billions of dollars.. sure does..
Anyone into computers? You got the 90 pentium 1.. went up to 100, 133, ...... 200 233 266.. all in incriments to the big bad *** 3.0.. oh wait they have a 3.2 gig out now.. They have the technology out now to release far past a 6.0 gig processor.. In fact they have super computers that are 20 times faster then that... So if the technology is available,, why do they release computers on the market at such tiny increments every damn month? Well my common sense shouts out to me, and tells me they are bleeding the market, and sucking as much money up as they can. Why must I buy microsoft suite packages when I want to update my system? Perhaps because it is the only feasible thing around to use.. The morale of the story is that, if too much power is in the hands of just a few.. You get stagnation.. and what you do receive.. You will never be able to fully assess what else you could have received.. Perhaps it could have been something better, more cost effective, more efficient, maybe a total cure for baldness, maybe a cure for cancer.. Why would anything be put out on the market, that would make millions of doctors, clinics and drug producing companies go out of business? Do you think people who hold great power in an industry are going to give it up? You dont think they will bleed people to make the most money? You think there will be further research or huge investment money in a new fuel to replace gasoline? Do you realize that there are some procedures and medications that people find in other countries that never made it over here? Think out of the box.. In fact buy some weed, smoke a phat blunt like i just did.. And everything just becomes more clear, and you can see the true dynamics of capitalism at work all around you.. . However.. it is still the best known way for an economy to function with some sort of a balance.. But i feel we are heading more and more to a socialistic state.. Adios my friends.. this buds for u
Have you ever read the communist manifesto? Great romantic ideology of a utopian, equal society.. There is not one country who really practiced pure communism.. And as we have found out through history, socialism does not work.. Why doesn't it work? Lets take a simple job task.. A baker.. If a baker is going to make the same profit regardless of quality, he will not possess the will, nor enthusiam to be the best baker.. However, if he can produce the best tasting cake in a capitalistic economy, he will be motivated to produce better quality.. this is a simplified example to show a simple point.. Quality, enthusiam, service, will, are all fueled by money, which turns to a fuel for power.. Once the little ameba's of competition fight, you get huge globs, almost like soap suds in water.. What happens is you get a few huge corporations who dominate and run an industry.. which leads to total stagnation.. The question is not about the medications, but look past that.. If pharm companies have the money and power to control research and development, Why wouldnt they engineer medications that would serve them the most benefit? They save lifes, they serve humanity, are they angels from above who just want to help humanity? No. Does the cholestrol medications, the hiv medications, the kimo therapy, the hair transplants, the propecias, and the rogaines generate billions of dollars.. sure does..
Anyone into computers? You got the 90 pentium 1.. went up to 100, 133, ...... 200 233 266.. all in incriments to the big bad *** 3.0.. oh wait they have a 3.2 gig out now.. They have the technology out now to release far past a 6.0 gig processor.. In fact they have super computers that are 20 times faster then that... So if the technology is available,, why do they release computers on the market at such tiny increments every damn month? Well my common sense shouts out to me, and tells me they are bleeding the market, and sucking as much money up as they can. Why must I buy microsoft suite packages when I want to update my system? Perhaps because it is the only feasible thing around to use.. The morale of the story is that, if too much power is in the hands of just a few.. You get stagnation.. and what you do receive.. You will never be able to fully assess what else you could have received.. Perhaps it could have been something better, more cost effective, more efficient, maybe a total cure for baldness, maybe a cure for cancer.. Why would anything be put out on the market, that would make millions of doctors, clinics and drug producing companies go out of business? Do you think people who hold great power in an industry are going to give it up? You dont think they will bleed people to make the most money? You think there will be further research or huge investment money in a new fuel to replace gasoline? Do you realize that there are some procedures and medications that people find in other countries that never made it over here? Think out of the box.. In fact buy some weed, smoke a phat blunt like i just did.. And everything just becomes more clear, and you can see the true dynamics of capitalism at work all around you.. . However.. it is still the best known way for an economy to function with some sort of a balance.. But i feel we are heading more and more to a socialistic state.. Adios my friends.. this buds for u
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Paladin your quite hilarious man, you put a million and one diffrent issues into one post and still come out like you know very little about any of them. Thanks you make me laugh. :lol:
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