How can my genes be an issue?

[bleach53]

this is my previous topic with pictures as well I'm not sure if I explained about my family background in this but it provides much of what I'm going through.

I'd like an explanation as to how it can be my genetics since no one in my family has any hairloss even similar to this. Both sides of my family no one has this. The only types of baldness they have are receding hairline on my dads side and only one uncle has a bald spot on the top of his head which isnt even noticeable. I've looked into cousins as well and no one has anything close to what I have. Please help me out. thanks.

 

[barcafan]

Well i don't think anyone here is a geneticist but it's a fair statment to say that genes work in verrrrryyyy weird ways...

 

[The Gardener]

The receeding hairline on your dad's side, and that one uncle with the bald spot are genetic code enough to indicate that potential male pattern baldness is in your genes.

 

[Guest]

The receeding hairline on your dad's side, and that one uncle with the bald spot are genetic code enough to indicate that potential male pattern baldness is in your genes.

Exactly. It's the same thing with our other inherited physical traits. Or do you wonder why you don't look exactly like someone in your family? I think not.

 

[bleach53]

have you seen the pictures?

There is no one in my family who has anything similar to that.

What do you guys think would be the best treatment and what tests should i get done at the doctors to eliminate other possible causes?

 

[Guest]

have you seen the pictures?

There is no one in my family who has anything similar to that.

What do you guys think would be the best treatment and what tests should i get done at the doctors to eliminate other possible causes?

Oh yeah, didn't realize you were the guy with thinning all over the head. Sorry. Doesn't look like normal male pattern baldness that's for sure. Could it be alopecia totalis? Don't know if any treatments will be of help for if that's the case.

 

[bleach53]

ah what terrible luck to have no treatments too. Having a full thick head of hair would make me a completely different person too how terrible. So nothing would help?

When I made mention to eating a lot of eggs I was referring to the cholesterol that comes with it which clogs arteries right? So what if because I had high consumption of eggs and lack of exercise to burn fat made the blood circulation to the scalp very poor?

 

[Renegade]

Hmmm???

My dad has incredible hair for a 51 year old (Norwood 1 at worst). My grandfather on that side didn't even start thinning until like 60 (although he's 76 now and thinning Norwood 5/6. My only uncle on that side didn't start thinning until his 40's and it still isn't that bad, yet his son (my paternal first cousin) is losing it at a young age like me - he probably started losing it at 21 - he is 24 now, but shaves his head bald so I have no idea how severe it is. I know for a fact none of these people are on treatments.

My mother's side is about the same too. Her only brother, who is 60, is only a Norwood 2/3 (never treated). One cousin, who is 35, is only Norwood 2 (although it's possible he's been using rogaine and/or finasteride for a while). The other male cousin doesn't have any male pattern baldness whatsoever, but is going grey. My paternal grandfather didn't have any male pattern baldness either.

So, from looking at all my male relatives, how is it that only me and my 4-year younger cousin are getting screwed so fast?

Is there something in our diets/lifestyles today that is exacerbating/speeding male pattern baldness? Although I eat extremely healthy, I'm convinced there's gotta be something environmental/biological going on here, and not JUST genetics!

 

[Guest]

Hmmm???

My dad has incredible hair for a 51 year old (Norwood 1 at worst). My grandfather on that side didn't even start thinning until like 60 (although he's 76 now and thinning Norwood 5/6. My only uncle on that side didn't start thinning until his 40's and it still isn't that bad, yet his son (my paternal first cousin) is losing it at a young age like me - he probably started losing it at 21 - he is 24 now, but shaves his head bald so I have no idea how severe it is. I know for a fact none of these people are on treatments.

My mother's side is about the same too. Her only brother, who is 60, is only a Norwood 2/3 (never treated). One cousin, who is 35, is only Norwood 2 (although it's possible he's been using rogaine and/or finasteride for a while). The other male cousin doesn't have any male pattern baldness whatsoever, but is going grey. My paternal grandfather didn't have any male pattern baldness either.

So, from looking at all my male relatives, how is it that only me and my 4-year younger cousin are getting screwed so fast?

Is there something in our diets/lifestyles today that is exacerbating/speeding male pattern baldness? Although I eat extremely healthy, I'm convinced there's gotta be something environmental/biological going on here, and not JUST genetics!

Well, my maternal grandfather was like NW3 at 30 or so. Don't know how fast the male pattern baldness progressed from there, but he still seemed to have some hair on his head quite long (because my mother never considered him totally bald). He died around time I was born so I never met him in person, so all I have is a couple of pics. My mother has got like 10 brothers (no kidding!), and only one of them went bald young. The others still have a lot of hair for their age, they're between 50-70 now. My mothers hair is quite thin now (she's 55) and me and my brother are thinning pretty badly at 24. I won't even go to my fathers side since I clearly have inherited my hair from my mothers side (my father and his father have almost black hair, and mine is brown which is prominent on my mothers family). So all in all, genetics are tricky.

 

[docj077]

As with pretty much any given genetic disease, spontaneous mutation is still possible. You don't necessarily have to inherit a genetic disorder to be born with a genetic disorder.

 

[The Gardener]

Aaaaah... well, that would explain my brother.

 

[Webster]

As with pretty much any given genetic disease, spontaneous mutation is still possible. You don't necessarily have to inherit a genetic disorder to be born with a genetic disorder.

but developing male pattern baldness from a mutation would be exceedingly rare. You would more likely be dead.

 

[docj077]

As with pretty much any given genetic disease, spontaneous mutation is still possible. You don't necessarily have to inherit a genetic disorder to be born with a genetic disorder.

but developing male pattern baldness from a mutation would be exceedingly rare. You would more likely be dead.

Tell that to the first person in the history of mankind that was born with it and lived to spread it to his or her offspring. Genetic mutation is far more common than people think.

The human genome is incredibly flexible to allow for human beings to adapt to their changing environment.

 

[bleach53]

But this has been happening since i started puberty up till now.

 

[Webster]

As with pretty much any given genetic disease, spontaneous mutation is still possible. You don't necessarily have to inherit a genetic disorder to be born with a genetic disorder.

but developing male pattern baldness from a mutation would be exceedingly rare. You would more likely be dead.

Tell that to the first person in the history of mankind that was born with it and lived to spread it to his or her offspring. Genetic mutation is far more common than people think.

The human genome is incredibly flexible to allow for human beings to adapt to their changing environment.

Nah. Spot mutations would likely affect junk DNA or make an embryo unviable. Male pattern baldness is not caused by a simple transcription error in DNA ( I think! ) It may be actually selected by females, unwittingly perhaps, by selecting for traits that are caused by high testosterone, i.e. body hair, muscle mass, jaw size...

 

[Armando Jose]

My mother has got like 10 brothers (no kidding!), and only one of them went bald young. The others still have a lot of hair for their age, they're between 50-70 now

What was the lenght of their hairs? The same buzzed hair like you, Growhairgrow, ?

Armando

 

[Guest]

My mother has got like 10 brothers (no kidding!), and only one of them went bald young. The others still have a lot of hair for their age, they're between 50-70 now

What was the lenght of their hairs? The same buzzed hair like you, Growhairgrow, ?

Armando

Well, no... they're older than me. Normal length, not very short but not long either. Couple of inches. Hey wait a minute, where are you going here? You're not seriously saying that buzzing would cause baldness? :lol: My brother has never buzzed his hair and he's going bald too. Explain that then...

 

[docj077]

As with pretty much any given genetic disease, spontaneous mutation is still possible. You don't necessarily have to inherit a genetic disorder to be born with a genetic disorder.

but developing male pattern baldness from a mutation would be exceedingly rare. You would more likely be dead.

Tell that to the first person in the history of mankind that was born with it and lived to spread it to his or her offspring. Genetic mutation is far more common than people think.

The human genome is incredibly flexible to allow for human beings to adapt to their changing environment.

Nah. Spot mutations would likely affect junk DNA or make an embryo unviable. Male pattern baldness is not caused by a simple transcription error in DNA ( I think! ) It may be actually selected by females, unwittingly perhaps, by selecting for traits that are caused by high testosterone, i.e. body hair, muscle mass, jaw size...

No, mutations can occur wherever they want. In reality, there really isn't such a thing as junk DNA. There are many repeating sequences within introns, but many of those areas have enhancer or silencer elements. There is indeed a common single nucleotide mutation in the androgen receptor in the majority of men with male pattern baldness.

 

[Johnny24601]

re:

The gene for male pattern baldness could have easily been carried with the female members of your family who obviously may not show any signs of typical male pattern baldness but be carrying the gene and thus pass it to you. I do find it hard to believe that you have analyzed every male member of your family to determine whether any of their hair follicles are shrinking.
Regardless of the source, if you have male pattern baldness then either attempt to treat it with the available prescription drugs and topicals or learn to accept your changing body. There is overwhelming evidence that if a man has male pattern baldness then they will lose hair at a somewhat similar pattern to the norwood chart and this condition is attributed to genetics. All too often men want to search for some other source for their male pattern baldness but I never understood the point. The reality is you have male pattern baldness, who cares what the source could be.
IMO, gene mutation in this circumstance is not plausible and I find it hard to believe that anyone on this board is qualified to make that determination.

 

[bleach53]

johnny you should look at my pictures in my story the link was posted earlier in this topic. Its all over and has been happening since i hit puberty.

What about sexual activity?