I think I've just cured it.

[Boondock]

I am definitely considering it! That brought quite a smile to my face! Maybe I'll do it!

I wanna try it on me and a couple of other people first though lol

Besides I can't take full credit if it does turn out to be correct, it's partly Brian Simonis and misterE, it's like... an amalgamation of lots of views and my own research online ^_^

I can say though that I did suspect a fair bit of this before I even joined gourmetstylewellness.com! heh

Cool, well perhaps we can have some sort of affiliate earnings scheme? MisterE gets $1 for each copy of the book sold, and 10% from all sales of your flaxseed products.

Sure MisterE contributed some of the intellectual backing to this, but ultimately it's you who's made the major breakthrough in piecing the theory together. There's no reason why you should benefit from it, just as you're benefiting society by your medical advancements, right?

 

[Fender89]

Lol, everyone here who is hating on him need to shut the f*** up. If you don't beleive in what he is saying, stop being bitter just because you have severe hairloss and have wasted a ton of your money and manhood on propecia which still didn't help.

Hoppi, I think your error is talking about "cure". You need to change the title i think man. People have been losing hair for years so when they see some guy who just joined a forum recently claiming to have a cure, they get all defensive thinking "no way" etc. not possible.

Logicaly i think your theory rings kinda true, i mean, it can by all means help. I don't know much about nutrition, but i my hairloss started about 2 years after I started gyming it. Now, i've always been skinny, but my body shape changed dramaticaly over those 2 years or so. It went from being flat board like, to being ripped and having that triangular shape. thin waist, big chest, big arms etc. Mind you i was always fit, played football alot. Before the gym i mean. Oh and up until recently, i drunk a TON of milk. I've quit milk now.

So what am i suggesting, I think weight lifting, over that period of 2 years, activated my early male pattern baldness gene. Would love to see what my hair was like if i never lifted. Ps, I used to have really really thick 80's rock hair. Right now my male pattern baldness still isn't noticable thankfully, probably cause of the way my hair started out. Like, it had to lose alot of hair to get where it's at now and it still looks normal ahah. also my regimen i'm on is really rocking I think. I've not lifted weights for like 4 or 5 months. Just been exercising. Sure i'm a skinny guy a gain, still have a nice figure but probs lot alot of strength.

anyway, so you talk of insulin. I think over those 2 years of weight lifting my insulin resistance decreased. Found this:

http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/weight_ ... betes.html -

"In this study, adolescent boys were given a program of lifting heavy weights twice a week. After only 16 weeks, their muscles were larger and they lost fat. Sugar tolerance tests showed that the ability of their bodies to clear a load of sugar from their blood streams improved dramatically. This means that a regular weight lifting program decreases insulin resistance and thus reduces risk for becoming diabetic. "

I think lifting weights over 2 years and totally changing my bodys makeup made me get more hairloss. It was weird. Just sorta "activated all of a sudden. I still remember that dreaded night i was in the shower and my hair just start falling out big time. Ever since then i've been slowley losing more but until recently i think i'm controlling it.

So yeah, this is why i think you are right man. Or atleast could be.

Seriously anyone who thinks he isn't wise, don't read this f*****g thread. And also, anyone telling mods to close the thread. AHA, this is what this place is about, sharing theorys and information. Freedom of speech b****s. I mean, ok the title is misleading. but you can't just demand the thread to be closed. he isn't selling anything.

Good job hoppi =)

 

[moxsom]

I'm sure it does. I'm sure it promotes growth of almost EVERYTHING. Unfortunately it also lowers SHBG, just like insulin does.

Additionally, I am also talking about it and insulin in EXCESS (in most cases).

And what do you make of this study showing no correlation between insulin resistance and androgenic alopecia?

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/122270198/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0

Also if you don't have access to any studies let me know, and instead of maybe only reading abstracts of studies like MisterE you can read ACTUAL articles. Not that you would understand them anyway considering I bet the last class you took in Biology was probably high school

 

[moxsom]

http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/weight_ ... betes.html -

"In this study, adolescent boys were given a program of lifting heavy weights twice a week. After only 16 weeks, their muscles were larger and they lost fat. Sugar tolerance tests showed that the ability of their bodies to clear a load of sugar from their blood streams improved dramatically. This means that a regular weight lifting program decreases insulin resistance and thus reduces risk for becoming diabetic. "

Dude, insulin resistance is a bad thing. Even Hoppi is saying that. The ability of your body to clear sugar loads from your blood is a GOOD thing.

 

[Nashville Hairline]

Hoppi is Noel Fielding from The Mighty Boosh and I claim my £5.

 

[Fender89]

http://www.drmirkin.com/fitness/weight_ ... betes.html -

"In this study, adolescent boys were given a program of lifting heavy weights twice a week. After only 16 weeks, their muscles were larger and they lost fat. Sugar tolerance tests showed that the ability of their bodies to clear a load of sugar from their blood streams improved dramatically. This means that a regular weight lifting program decreases insulin resistance and thus reduces risk for becoming diabetic. "

Dude, insulin resistance is a bad thing. Even Hoppi is saying that. The ability of your body to clear sugar loads from your blood is a GOOD thing.

Yes i know, but you didn't get my point.

I guess i failed to mention, but during all that weight training i did, i ate big style, ie: lots of chicken, lots of milk, lots of tuna. That = insulin right? hoppi is talking about too much insulin? well if i have lowered insulin resistance plus eating so much more of those 2 year? that supports his theory does it not?

 

[s.a.f]

Hoppi is Noel Fielding from The Mighty Boosh and I claim my £5.

Ahhh, you beat me to it you bastard! :hump:

 

[moxsom]

Yes i know, but you didn't get my point.

I guess i failed to mention, but during all that weight training i did, i ate big style, ie: lots of chicken, lots of milk, lots of tuna. That = insulin right? hoppi is talking about too much insulin? well if i have lowered insulin resistance plus eating so much more of those 2 year? that supports his theory does it not?

No, he's saying you want as low insulin resistance as possible. The study you posted saying weight lifting lowered insulin resistance significantly and how you lost your hair on such a regime (one to reduce insulin) is exactly the opposite of what he's saying.

And no, lots of chicken and tuna will not cause you to have insulin spikes.

 

[Fender89]

Yes i know, but you didn't get my point.

I guess i failed to mention, but during all that weight training i did, i ate big style, ie: lots of chicken, lots of milk, lots of tuna. That = insulin right? hoppi is talking about too much insulin? well if i have lowered insulin resistance plus eating so much more of those 2 year? that supports his theory does it not?

No, he's saying you want as low insulin resistance as possible. The study you posted saying weight lifting lowered insulin resistance significantly and how you lost your hair on such a regime (one to reduce insulin) is exactly the opposite of what he's saying.

And no, lots of chicken and tuna will not cause you to have insulin spikes.

Oh right. so lower insulin resistance is good? Even with lots of insulin intake?

 

[Hoppi]

Well, it's all down to the validity of the different theories. I'm also not sure where I stand on the reality of "activating" the gene through one's actions.

I am saying that having low insulin resistance is good yes. Because that means your baseline insulin will be lower, resulting in more SHBG and less free testosterone. This, as far as I can tell is scientific FACT. Same deal with IGF-1 I believe, or certainly close.

I would still be very curious to see your insulin levels Fender

I am totally open to the idea of my insulin resistance theory being incorrect - I was up very late last night thinking and thinking and thinking, and it just seemed to "fit". And it still does. But I would say if there's any part of this which is the most debatable, it's that.

However, if there's any part of this that is the most exciting if true, it's also that.

It is DEFINITELY true for some people (the insulin resistance theory), as far as I can tell. However, the question in my mind is whether it is true for ALL people, and whether the theory of gene activation is also true.

And yeah I know what you mean about my use of the word "cure". I basically meant that it should stop male pattern baldness dead.

Additionally, if the insulin resistance theory is entirely true, it should be possible to reverse the transition one experiences that people often explain as "activating the gene".

Raising one's insulin resistance would feel very, very much the same from the point of view of your hair loss.

If it is true, only a largely vegan insulin and IGF-1 restricted diet or a good set of supplements to lower baseline (and total, without a dietary change) insulin levels would work, preferably a combination of the two.


Oh, edit, sorry, just to clarify. finasteride works. Nizoral works. Minoxidil works. I am not questioning that. But I am saying that they seem to tackle the problem at an unnecessarily late point in a chain of hormones that can probably be controlled at source.

 

[Hoppi]

The very best way to prove or disprove this is to take the insulin and IGF-1 levels of those with male pattern baldness, particularly in those who have it at a young age. If the theory is true, MOST people will have (even slightly) elevated insulin/IGF-1 levels. SOME people may not, and some may simply have high testosterone. But MOST will probably have elevated insulin/IGF-1.

Of course though this involves blood tests and people probably wouldn't like that, so it might be best just to try the "regimen" and see

If I'm wrong, I can handle that. But there is more than enough evidence I believe to make this a viable possibility.


Check this: http://www.immortalhair.org/theoryinpractice.htm

I came up with my theory of insulin resistance separately, but got some of the affirmation of my ideas about insulin and good supplement ideas from there beforehand!

Again, I think the theory is more than credible and possible enough to warrant more analysis and more tests

And if it's true... wouldn't that be exciting?

 

[moxsom]

The very best way to prove or disprove this is to take the insulin and IGF-1 levels of those with male pattern baldness, particularly in those who have it at a young age. If the theory is true, MOST people will have (even slightly) elevated insulin/IGF-1 levels. SOME people may not, and some may simply have high testosterone. But MOST will probably have elevated insulin/IGF-1.

I just gave you a study where they did just that, and guess what, no correlation.

 

[Jacob]

You sure are posting IH's site a lot....Hmmmmmm

Mercola is basically where all this started...you won't see that you-know-where though :whistle:

 

[Hoppi]

Put simply this is all a game to reduce free testosterone, as that decreases the amount your hair follicles get exposed to and so reduces balding, or stops it entirely. This is proven by the regrowth when transgenders change their hormones, or if someone with male pattern baldness were castrated! Shock horror, you castrate someone or reduce their free T and guess what... their balding stops! Or at the very least it slows drastically. I assume it would often regrow as well.

And what influences free testosterone (excluding any possible drugs and things, I don't know much about that)? Initial production (primarily in the testes) and regulation whilst in the blood (Sex Hormone Binding Globulin - SHBG).

Therefore, the FIRST question you should ask if someone has male pattern baldness is "are his testosterone levels high?".

If the answer is in the affirmative, you should be looking at WHY. If it's not overactive production in the testes or (far less likely) adrenal gland, then it, according to modern science, IS your level of SHBG. I really am sorry if you don't want to believe that, I am, but that's not my problem I'm afraid

And then comes the next logical question. WHY is your SHBG level too low? What is known to regulate SHBG activity?

And the answer there (is a little debated), but usually comes out at - insulin, IGF-1, the liver's production of fats and other lifestyle and diet initiated mechanisms.

Ok so you measure the subject's insulin levels and lo and behold it's high! So then you put them on a diet designed to lower them (less sugar, carbs, fat, meat and dairy (for IGF-1)). And... what? It's STILL a little high? Well maybe their BASELINE insulin level is too high. The lowest possible amount of insulin they could have whilst still being healthy is... too high.

And that is another part that is often according to modern scientific belief down to diet and lifestyle. What can give people type 2 diabetes (which is caused by insanely high insulin resistance)? Bad diet and lifestyle. And what can give people male pattern baldness much of the time (not all of the time! MUCH of the time, and I mean this RELATIVELY SPEAKING)? Bad diet and lifestyle.

I rest my case


EDIT -- This is also relative. Eating a portion of meat everyday counts as "bad". Consuming dairy counts as "bad". So does eating sweets and chocolate. So does eating lots and lots of bread, or drinking lots of beer. Many, many things that we don't perceive as being bad for us, and really AREN'T all that bad for us, may be having a very small measurable effect. And of course the worse someone does it, the worse they will lift their insulin and resistance level, and the worse they will bald. Turn off your internal monologue, READ what I am trying to say, and perhaps you will see the logic.

double edit -- Again, I'm not saying this is true for everyone, and I am CERTAINLY not saying you have to have had a lifestyle or diet most people would consider "bad" to experience this. If one's follicles were just very sensitive to DHT by their very nature, or your natural levels of testosterone were high, then this is a different cause, but that still doesn't mean that this won't help

 

[Hope4hairRedux]

The cure is in my signature

I hope the emerging facts back it up! Thank you misterE and Brian Simonis!

Peace! ^_^

DIE

 

[jh]

Ok all you do, is reduce dairy a LOT (these hit your IGF-1 levels, as they are designed to help things grow), reduce meat significantly (increases insulin), reduce sugar (insulin), don't go overboard on carbs or processed foods (insulin and IGF-1), reduce fat (insulin, and it pollutes the body, increases sebum etc), reduce soya (IGF-1), don't go overboard on alcohol too often either! Eat lots of fibre and basically an intelligent vegan diet, or as close as you feel comfortable with (although the closer the better of course!).

Additionally, smoking is not too helpful, so don't overdo that either if possible

The stump-tailed macaque eats "natural" diets, little meat and no dairy. I've yet to see one smoke or eat processed food. They go bald. Why?

 

[Hoppi]

Ok all you do, is reduce dairy a LOT (these hit your IGF-1 levels, as they are designed to help things grow), reduce meat significantly (increases insulin), reduce sugar (insulin), don't go overboard on carbs or processed foods (insulin and IGF-1), reduce fat (insulin, and it pollutes the body, increases sebum etc), reduce soya (IGF-1), don't go overboard on alcohol too often either! Eat lots of fibre and basically an intelligent vegan diet, or as close as you feel comfortable with (although the closer the better of course!).

Additionally, smoking is not too helpful, so don't overdo that either if possible

The stump-tailed macaque eats "natural" diets, little meat and no dairy. I've yet to see one smoke or eat processed food. They go bald. Why?

Follicle sensitivity/too much testosterone/too little natural SHBG/too much natural insulin or IGF-1 production/non-male pattern baldness conditions...

take your pick?

 

[Nashville Hairline]

male pattern baldness and SHBG/insulin resistance is just a correlation, sadly there isn't many (if any) cases of guys getting back their hair by controlling it

 

[Hoppi]

"Androgenic alopecia has been shown to correlate with metabolic syndrome. Medically increasing androgen levels does not worsen this condition, demonstrating that androgens do not cause metabolic syndrome. Instead, high insulin levels (and possibly chronic inflammation[26]) seem the likely link in the demonstrated correlation between baldness and metabolic syndrome. This reinforces the notion that behaviors which help to keep insulin levels low and reduce chronic inflammation might also help to preserve hair."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldness_t ... _lifestyle


Wikipedia I know, but I'm sure we could find far more scientifically reliable sources that state the same thing

 

[Thickandthin]

Well, this message board had a good run.

R.I.P. gourmetstylewellness.com.