I think the key to success for some of us is NOFAP

[dreamermerlin]

I'm baffled by how long this thread is.

There's no scientific reason to believe that masturbation is in any way connected to your hair loss.

Hair loss is deeply connected with androgens,T, DHT, and so is sex and masturbation.
No connection at all?? Really?
I don't think anybody has done a study on masturbation vs hair loss.
Who knows? Maybe the old wive's tale with FAP causing you get bald has some truth in them...
Of course, not for everyone, only for those with genetic sensitivity to androgens in the hair follicles.

 

[maher]

I'm baffled by how long this thread is.

There's no scientific reason to believe that masturbation is in any way connected to your hair loss.

Is DHT related to hair loss??

 

[Da Crow]

It's appalling people can't accept that masturbation will accelerate balding in predisposed individuals, no where does maher claim that masturbation is the only cause of male pattern baldness.

If people can't accept this, then they are clearly showing cognitive decline.

PREMISE: Stop masturbation, slow hairloss.

Evidence: DHT facilitates male pattern baldness, orgasm/sexual activity increases DHT... therefore masturbation (a sexual activity) will make your follicles go bye bye, quicker.

Conclusion: This is simple mathematics, sorry monkeys.

 

[drgs]

Fine. You're free to make your own choices and believe anything you want after all.

Do you have a medical license? Are you an expert in this field? If I ask 100 of the world top expert in dermatology and endocrinology, how many do you think will validate that masturbation exacerbates hair loss is a fact?

As if abstaining is a danger to your health? Christians are doing it. What are you worried about exactly?
Some guy gets horny, eats a raw potato to calm down. **** him, what is it to you?

A possible link is absolutely evident and in your face. Both hair loss and ejaculation are in a direct relationship to DHT. It's a fact.
It draws an indirect relationship between hair loss and ejaculation -- we don't know yet. It's not a fact.

A normal person suffering from hair loss, desperate for any clues, would at least be interested to clear this theory out
But what boggles my mind why is anyone working so hard to disprove it altogether -- at once, and does not allow anyone to consider it -- no one is touching the holy grail of fapping

As we know from psychology the most furious homophobes are latent homosexuals themselves. This is something similar, but I cannot figure out what drives you. Maybe you hold some kind of key to this question, like you're impotent or born without a scrotum, but is still bald, but obviously you cannot disclose it to people… What is it?

 

[drgs]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7850666.stm
Men who are more sexually active in their 20s and 30s may run a higher risk of prostate cancer, research suggests.
The Nottingham University study quizzed 800 men on how often they had sex or masturbated.
Those who were most active while younger had more chance of developing cancer later in life.
The researchers said higher levels of sex hormones could lead to a bigger sex drive and the cancer, the journal BJU International reported.

 

[dreamermerlin]

Not masturbating will lead you nowhere. You will just waste your time, energy and possibly damage your overall well-being.

Sorry, but i don't get your logic. I think doing "fap" means exactly wasting time and energy.
Talking only about fap, not sex.

 

[maher]

You think you're all inovative and subversive with this no masturbation idea:

Take a look here: http://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/interact/showthread.php/7779-DHT-and-Masturbation
This thread is from 10 years ago, here on this forum, and the first reaction already was: "How many times is this gonna come up?"
Does this fact tell you nothing?
Not masturbating will lead you nowhere. You will just waste your time, energy and possibly damage your overall well-being.
A relevant quote from the topic I linked:

Nonsense! from 1st to last letter in this post. Not even gonna argue.. pointless

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One more time:

Not masturbating will lead you nowhere. You will just waste your time, energy and possibly damage your overall well-being.

LMFAO!

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

I agree with drgs. Why are you so impervious to this topic fred? Why don't you just answer us one question. K maybe a couple. How many times do you ejaculate a week? How many of those are from masturbation? How many of those are from masturbating to pornography?

 

[dreamermerlin]

That quote with "the only reason to keep your hair is to remain sexually attractive" is not true for everybody.
I don't adhere to it. Of course, everybody would like to be attractive, but, no, i don't want to keep my hair JUST for having sex. After you, perhaps every married man wouldn't give 2 cents if he's balding, and that just isn't true.

 

[ladysmanfelpz]

"Just like man does." See you imply that that is the norm. That everyone abides by these rules. So they say your diet should be 30% protein but does everyone follow them? No. We are individually specific. Some people need more of something and others less. Just cuz everyone watches p**rn doesn't mean its okay. And speaking of that you didn't answer that. Do you masturbate to p**rn everytime?

I posted in this earlier and I think your comfortableness with sexuality is what makes an attractive individual. Its about the unseen. Its not big boobs or a nice *** attracts us. Its how a girl advertises it. You can tell a withdrawn shy girl compared to a forward acting sluu. The same goes for guys. And now in this age of internet p**rn you can see vile things that pervert your mind. I don't think its healthy at all. Maybe us baldies are sexual beasts and were meant to impregnate the most women of the village and have the most potent semen to enhance our chance at offspring, and this internet p**rn era has us wanting every women we see in contorted positions of sexual bliss. Our libido is key to being alpha males, but when out of whack can hurt us. So many good looking women now a days we all want to bone, but can't cuz of societal norms of going about dating and taking the time to get the reward.

I've had many one-night stands but only one long term girlfriend in my short 23 years of life. Like I said in my earlier post I just feel bad after sleeping with a girl I'm really not that into. I feel even worse after watching p**rn, and terrible after disgusting vile p**rn. It puts sadistic thoughts in your head and perverts your mind. Now I remember after the first time I had sexual activity with my GF I cared about the next day I woke up and my hair had a texture and liveliness to it it had never had before. I even remember my girl saying like whoa, I like your hair.

When I started treatment I tried to become the beast that I was meant to be. I did everything to help hair and ate the cleanest diet and was working out hard and limited masturbation. No p**rn at ALL!!! Like I said I would masturbate but it was much less often and using only imagination. There are many studies coming out about p**rn and how it affects cognition and personality and all sorts of things. That can be the psychological perspective, but the changes in behavior may come from altering of hormones as well. Like everything that contributes to a healthy individual, everything in moderation. You don't have to quit whacking it, but I think all of us hairloss sufferers should completely cut out p**rn if we are serious about it. Hey it might not help hair, but it certainly won't hurt it and it will have benefit us in other aspects of our health.

 

[ChrisW1980uk]

Can we stick to science please guys? People come here for facts and information, not lessons in morals. Thanks chaps

 

[maher]

Great stuff Fred. You are on a roll.. .:jackit:

 

[yadayada029]

I've been losing my hair probably since I was 14 years old. Temples slowly got thinner, receded by 18 but able to cover up. Continued to recede and thin out and now at 25 I'm a nw3 with vertex getting worse. I've tried rogaine at 22. Made my hair much thicker but eventually I stopped using it and hair got worse. Last year I tried saw palmetto, biotin, beta sitosterol to see if they would make a difference and the results after a year were negligible...

The only major difference in hair quality I noticed was after traveling for 6 weeks without masturbation. It is the longest time i've gone without ejaculating since my early teens and my hair felt fantastic. I was even getting comments from family and friends on how good my hair looked and this was only after a month! After I returned from my travels, the fapping habit was back and I could feel my hair returning to its dull state.

This has to be the cause of my early hair loss 100% without a doubt. I can feel my temples warming up when I orgasm. Somehow, the DHT must skyrocket in my scalp afterwards.

I just started using 1.25 finasteride, rogaine liquid, and nizoral 2% at the beginning of june, but..I've also been a horny dog and fapping atleast 4 to 5 times a week. Have yet to experience the same thickening I had during NOFAP.

My goal now is to continue the big 3 in addition to No fap to see if I can eliminate the cause, and get some regrowth. I will keep you all posted! Support and criticism is welcome!

Just wanted to stop in and say I'm pullin' for you buddy

 

[FormerFro]

Just look at that guys temples! Theory confirmed...unk:

 

[LBerg12]

Photos?

 

[maher]

Post from lowT forum:

"before I began to practice abstinence, every day I watched p**rn and masturbated, lethargy, drowsiness, low libido, depression ... then began to check hormones. in the summer of 2010: DHT - 1560 pg / ml (normal 250-990), after 2 months again checked - 1673 pg / ml. total testosterone was always the low normal 14 nmol / L, 15, 16 nmol / L. Estradiol was high often, and even such expensive and powerful drugs like Arimidex and Aromasin not overwhelm it strongly. often had high prolactin. I even could not imagine that this problem is due to p**rn and masturbation. I decided three weeks not to masturbate and watch p**rn! So I finished my experiment! My DHT was consistently high, I am very much fond of p**rn and masturbation, a lot! every day or every other day or two but with the excesses of masturbation 3-7 times a day. I tried exactly three weeks did not even watch erotica not speak already about p**rn, and in any case do not masturbate! and here is the result! - DHT fell to the middle of the norm! (before this was always much higher than the norm) estradiol - 95.5 pmol \ l, total testosterone - 26.9 nmol \ l, prolactin - 190.3 mU \ l. Great results! voice became rougher, confidence is strong, there is no stagnant for three full weeks of abstinence. Victory! test results after the cancellation of masturbation is better than the expensive drugs! Victory! this is my private experience. who are interested to try, explore, prove. now my DHT 547 pg/ml. great results!"

http://lowt.gy/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2480

 

[I.D WALKER]

Maher, Are you noticing any hair regrowth on your head that can you could attribute to your abstinence?

 

[maher]

Maher, Are you noticing any hair regrowth on your head that can you could attribute to your abstinence?

I am. I don't want to jinx it. 1cm of my hairline that i had lost in 2011/2012 (period when my hair loss accelerated) only few dark "loner" hair survived. That area is filling now- lots of 1cm+ blond hair. Also the area under temples is filling in.. thats where i first noticed regrow- the triangle shaped surface and the area towards temples...

Thats interesting, because I read reports, on internet, from other nofap guys reporting same regrow pattern(triangle area). I have 1cm scar there, so I can objectively monitor progress. New hair is really fine and thin but slowly darkening.. I think there is hope. Still a bit skeptic, which is reasonable after fighting this "monster" for 10 years.

Overall hair looks healthier, thicker, darker. Itch (almost) gone (That's funny coz guys on finasteride notice this things right on start). Can't remember last time i had red, inflammed scalp. There are lots of other beneficial stuff I have noticed- not hair related.

 

[drgs]

The problem with nofap is that if you relapse after a period, you end up in a masturbation feast with big testosterone and -- at least from my experience
-- worse effects than of you were doing the usual 1 time a day maintenance-routine. So short term nofap is no good

2nd and the 3rd weeks are the worst, after that the libido goes into a quiet mode, however i usually notice the first effects after 8-9 days

 

[TheHandsomeLurker]

Hair loss is deeply connected with androgens,T, DHT, and so is sex and masturbation.
No connection at all?? Really?
I don't think anybody has done a study on masturbation vs hair loss.
Who knows? Maybe the old wive's tale with FAP causing you get bald has some truth in them...
Of course, not for everyone, only for those with genetic sensitivity to androgens in the hair follicles.

But as you said, there is no rigorous study on it. Let's say that you as a layperson have a one in ten thousand chance of being correct, that ceasing sex and masturbation will in some way help your hair. Do you really want to swear off a biological imperative and quite literally the most pleasurable thing you can do to keep your hair?

But that's not even a real question because it's predicated on a pretty farcical notion. Run this idea by a dermatologist.