I Think This Is Sheseido's Phase Ii Trial! Should Start Soon

[Pavi]

http://rctportal.niph.go.jp/en/detail?trial_id=UMIN000023343

 

[Noisette]

http://rctportal.niph.go.jp/en/detail?trial_id=UMIN000023343

Yes I found this link and posted here before, on this thread : https://www.gourmetstylewellness.com/intera...ical-trial-to-begin.99709/page-9#post-1383608

 

[That Guy]

Sounds like they only plan to test it on the vertex...seems kinda odd.

Here's hoping it's tested on receding hairlines in phase III.

 

[KO1]

All male pattern baldness treatments are tested on the vertex, never hairlines.

 

[Afro_Vacancy]

All male pattern baldness treatments are tested on the vertex, never hairlines.

Not histogen.

 

[KO1]

I stand corrected. All male pattern baldness treatments should be tested on the vertex, never hairlines.

 

[That Guy]

I stand corrected. All male pattern baldness treatments should be tested on the vertex, never hairlines.

Pretty stupid, given that even with conventional treatments, regrowth and maintenance are most effective on the vertex.

It should be tested on BOTH.

 

[KO1]

Nope, the hairline is a poor place to test a treatment. Vertex is the best, which is why most real Androgenetic Alopecia treatments whether its finasteride, minoxidil, or even Aderans or Follica, focus on that location in clinical trials.

 

[Folliman]

Hopefully we'll see the results in early 2018.

 

[jetlife1]

Why do you guys think they aren't testing it on NW2's or less? I'd would like to know if it is effective for them. Also, they are only testing it on patients that aren't using finasteride. I wonder if the results would be better if the patients were on an antiandrogen.

 

[That Guy]

Nope, the hairline is a poor place to test a treatment. Vertex is the best, which is why most real Androgenetic Alopecia treatments whether its finasteride, minoxidil, or even Aderans or Follica, focus on that location in clinical trials.

*citation needed

 

[hellouser]

Nope, the hairline is a poor place to test a treatment. Vertex is the best, which is why most real Androgenetic Alopecia treatments whether its finasteride, minoxidil, or even Aderans or Follica, focus on that location in clinical trials.

LOL, what? So a receding hairline doesn't count as androgenic alopecia? Is the hairline less important than the vertex?

 

[KO1]

LOL, what? So a receding hairline doesn't count as androgenic alopecia? Is the hairline less important than the vertex?

Where did I say this?

 

[hellouser]

Where did I say this?

You're definitely suggesting that. You should explain yourself.

 

[KO1]

I don't need to explain myself, why do you act victimized?. You tell me, you've been on the forums for a while, why is it that Follica, Aderans, and Merck all test the crown/vertex area for efficacy? When Tsuji and Shiseido run their next trials, they won't be treating hairlines. Are they fools? Forum members on the other hand all test their experimentals on the hairline.

 

[hellouser]

I don't need to explain myself, why do you act victimized?. You tell me, you've been on the forums for a while, why is it that Follica, Aderans, and Merck all test the crown/vertex area for efficacy? When Tsuji and Shiseido run their next trials, they won't be treating hairlines. Are they fools? Forum members on the other hand all test their experimentals on the hairline.

Since you're trying to back their decision, you should explain to us why they do it. Some of us think the hairline is as deserving of testing (because it is).

 

[That Guy]

When Tsuji and Shiseido run their next trials, they won't be treating hairlines. Are they fools?.

*citation needed

Given that (especially in the former's case) they aim to restore an entire head of hair, what reason is there to believe they wouldn't test this on the hairline or temples.

Here, you're clearly hungry and out of this; just try not to eat it all in one sitting this time.

 

[KO1]

Sounds like they only plan to test it on the vertex...seems kinda odd.

Here's hoping it's tested on receding hairlines in phase III.

*citation needed

Given that (especially in the former's case) they aim to restore an entire head of hair, what reason is there to believe they wouldn't test this on the hairline or temples.

Here's my citation. You pointed it out yourself.

 

[buckthorn]

I have concluded with 100% certainty that ALL anti androgens i've used consistently (finasteride, dutasteride, RU as well as minoxidil) work well on my hairline, and just obliterate the f*** out of my crown. not that this relates to any of the above, but I second that they should obviously use it every where. I hope they test it on the hairline as well.

 

[That Guy]

Here's my citation. You pointed it out yourself.

You didn't explain what your source for Tsuji not testing it on hairlines is.

You don't have one.