I'm Beginning To Feel Angry At My Father.

[blackg]

That's transphobic.

The average life expectancy of a trans person in the US is below 35. Around the globe every 29 hours a trans woman is murdered yet they make up 1% of the world population. Being freaked out by trans people is a legal murder defense in 48 of the US states. If no one's tried to kill them yet than they're 41% likely to attempt suicide vs. the general public rate of 4.6% since the world is basically egging them on to do that.

Lets fast forward the argument that "tranny" has been reclaimed by transpeople since it's being used in this forum right now derogatorily. Oh and the semantic argument too since it's not a "phobia" because they're not terrorizing you. No one is forcing you to have sex with trans women either. Yada yada yada blah blah blah you catch my drift.

Calling out being ignorant shouldn't have to become diving down a rabbit hole so just don't do it again.

I like your position on this.
I personally think that calling out anyone for any so-called "deviant" behaviour is pathetic.
It's childish, small minded and ultimately the result of fear.
Nothing but fear.

When will we as a species advance beyond this?

 

[Rudiger]

I like your position on this.
I personally think that calling out anyone for any so-called "deviant" behaviour is pathetic.
It's childish, small minded and ultimately the result of fear.
Nothing but fear.

When will we as a species advance beyond this?

Just out of curiosity here blackg, can you explain exactly his argument on the reason it's not a "phobia"? Because you agree with him so much.

 

[blackg]

Is your argument that they were treated so nicely that they thought they'd be let free to prosper at the end of all this?

And what about these statistics are so ridiculous? Google it you f*****g imbecile, these stats are repeated over and over in countless studies. I can't believe possibly the most retarded regular forum member on here is calling me a halfwit, over something that isn't even contentious.

Google it, see the countless amount of replicated studies, come back and apologize.

"Google" is not the panacea for the knowledge that you struggle with.
You disappoint me, again.
Talk to some holocaust survivors.
Visit a Jewish holocaust memorial.
Don't just watch Schindler's List and similar type modern movies and think you have some kind of perspective on the horrors of death camp living.
And then get out there and talk to some folks in the trans community.
Hear their struggles, their daily battles with ignorent society, with people who are way too quick to form an easy narratives.
People who live a cloistered, google reaserched existence.

Get out there and live and learn (more), Rudeman.

 

[Rudiger]

"Google" is not the panacea for the knowledge that you struggle with.
You disappoint me, again.
Talk to some holocaust survivors.
Visit a Jewish holocaust memorial.
Don't just watch Schindler's List and similar type modern movies and think you have some kind of perspective on the horrors of death camp living.
And then get out there and talk to some folks in the trans community.
Hear their struggles, their daily battles with ignorent society, with people who are way too quick to form an easy narratives.
People who live a cloistered, google reseced existence.

Get out there and live and learn (more), Rudeman.

I've done those things! Like most people. What is your f*****g point? You've drifted off into this pointless sappy argument because you're making no sense.

Again, what was ridiculous about those statistics? Your argument makes zero sense. From what I can gather you are saying Jews in Auschwitz had no idea they were going to die, which is actually the complete opposite end of the spectrum of what you're attempting to argue, which is only based on your constant need to portray yourself as such a good moral guy.

Your argument actually cuts closer to a Holocaust denier. That's how retarded you are. In trying to be ultra liberal and lecture me about the Holocaust and things you assume I don't understand, you've said that Jews were treated so kindly in Auschwitz that they had no idea death was imminent.

 

[PappinAce]

I like your position on this.
I personally think that calling out anyone for any so-called "deviant" behaviour is pathetic.
It's childish, small minded and ultimately the result of fear.
Nothing but fear.

When will we as a species advance beyond this?

you bring up an interesting point. so much of society right now is based on fear. i believe this is inevitable when we stray as far from nature as we have, and adopt a "man is the measure of all things" philosophy.

we are scared of death so we turn to fairy tale religions to assuage our fears. we are so scared of death that when we encounter an "unknown" we automatically put it into the "threat to my life" category and start breeding fear of it.

we also live in the Google age. access to information is no longer the problem. now anyone who doesn't know how to learn, how to synthesize and interpret information, can get said information. googling a statistic is fun. but we also need to get out there and live. statistics can be deceptive if you don't have the context behind them. for instance:

(statistic) "the majority of prisoners in USA are black" -> (conclusion) "most black people are violent by nature"

love could just as well be our natural instinct. but we are infected by fear. we must work to conquer it.

 

[blackg]

I've done those things! Like most people. What is your f*****g point? You've drifted off into this pointless sappy argument because you're making no sense.

Again, what was ridiculous about those statistics? Your argument makes zero sense. From what I can gather you are saying Jews in Auschwitz had no idea they were going to die, which is actually the complete opposite end of the spectrum of what you're attempting to argue, which is only based on your constant need to portray yourself as such a good moral guy.

Your argument actually cuts closer to a Holocaust denier. That's how retarded you are. In trying to be ultra liberal and lecture me about the Holocaust and things you assume I don't understand, you've said that Jews were treated so kindly in Auschwitz that they had no idea death was imminent.

I never said they were treated kindly. You seem to have a reading problem again.
This is not the first time.
I am saying the majority of Nazi death camp inhabitants had no idea that they were to die a ghastly death.

In hindsight every dimwitted World War Two novice thinks that this knowledge (of gas chambers)was prevelant amongst the inmates.
It wasn't!

The inmates outnumbered the guards by a number of 7 to 1.
Do you think that if these prisoners all knew of their final destination that there would not have been an uprising in many of these camps?

Its simple arithmetic.

 

[Rudiger]

I am saying the majority of Nazi death camp inhabitants had no idea that they were to die a ghastly death.

Ah I see, so you're just f*****g insane then.

Again, I've asked twice already, what was so ridiculous about my statistics? Did you Google it afterwards to find out you were wrong, and now you're dodging the issue?

 

[Rudiger]

you bring up an interesting point. so much of society right now is based on fear. i believe this is inevitable when we stray as far from nature as we have, and adopt a "man is the measure of all things" philosophy.

we are scared of death so we turn to fairy tale religions to assuage our fears. we are so scared of death that when we encounter an "unknown" we automatically put it into the "threat to my life" category and start breeding fear of it.

we also live in the Google age. access to information is no longer the problem. now anyone who doesn't know how to learn, how to synthesize and interpret information, can get said information. googling a statistic is fun. but we also need to get out there and live. statistics can be deceptive if you don't have the context behind them. for instance:

(statistic) "the majority of prisoners in USA are black" -> (conclusion) "most black people are violent by nature"

love could just as well be our natural instinct. but we are infected by fear. we must work to conquer it.

You think this is an interesting point, hahaha.

This argument is basically boiling down to - let's negate the idea of statistics because people often use them wrongly.

It's a wonderful view to hold if you hate logic based facts, and like freewheeling with off the cuff opinions that are based on "feelings". If you like doing such things, feel free to, but don't think it actually contributes to any progression or anything.

You can bring up strawman arguments about black people but that just leads me to think on some level you've believed there's a truth to this yourself. I don't know why anyone would mention such a thing.

 

[blackg]

Ah I see, so you're just f*****g insane then.

Again, I've asked twice already, what was so ridiculous about my statistics? Did you Google it afterwards to find out you were wrong, and now you're dodging the issue?

You won't get out of it this easy.
Making broad assumptions, as you do, will always come back and bite you on the ***.

By the way. I googled those "40 percent" stats.
And only two sites corroborated what you claim.
Five more alignmed themselves with my position.

Bad research. A poor effort on your behalf.

 

[blackg]

you bring up an interesting point. so much of society right now is based on fear. i believe this is inevitable when we stray as far from nature as we have, and adopt a "man is the measure of all things" philosophy.

we are scared of death so we turn to fairy tale religions to assuage our fears. we are so scared of death that when we encounter an "unknown" we automatically put it into the "threat to my life" category and start breeding fear of it.

we also live in the Google age. access to information is no longer the problem. now anyone who doesn't know how to learn, how to synthesize and interpret information, can get said information. googling a statistic is fun. but we also need to get out there and live. statistics can be deceptive if you don't have the context behind them. for instance:

(statistic) "the majority of prisoners in USA are black" -> (conclusion) "most black people are violent by nature"

love could just as well be our natural instinct. but we are infected by fear. we must work to conquer it.

You're my kind of man. Not some "by the numbers, no life experience" expert/drone.

 

[Rudiger]

You won't get out of it this easy.
Making broad assumptions, as you do, will always come back and bite you on the ***.

By the way. I googled those "40 percent" stats.
And only two sites corroborated what you claim.
Five more alignmed themselves with my position.

Bad research. A poor effort on your behalf.

Well I blame myself for expecting a retard to be able to look up simple facts. What exactly is your position? Because you haven't actually clarified that. Post these 5 sites of whatever the f*** you're attempting to argue.

Are you saying suicide rates among transgender people are normal?

As well as the notion Jews had literally "no idea" they might die, after being incarcerated for no reason, like they knew their ancestors were, brought to a slum, for no reason, and kept there and treated horrendously, for no reason, you think they believed they'd just be brought back home?

Please stop drinking. Your brain cells are past depletion.

 

[Rudiger]

You're my kind of man. Not some "by the numbers, no life experience" expert/drone.

Translation: I love getting hammered and thinking my ethanol infused thoughts are logical, I hate it when all these crazy "facts" prove my feelings wrong.

 

[PappinAce]

It's a wonderful view to hold if you hate logic based facts, and like freewheeling with off the cuff opinions that are based on "feelings". If you like doing such things, feel free to, but don't think it actually contributes to any progression or anything.

i don't recall negating anything. the world is never black and white. as i said:

Statistics can be deceptive if you don't have the context behind them.

i advocate for a society in which education emphasizes contextual understanding.

 

[Rudiger]

i don't recall negating anything. the world is never black and white. as i said:



i advocate for a society in which education emphasizes contextual understanding.

Ok sorry, I'm getting a bit hasty with my abuse as blackg has that affect on people.

Nothing you said was wrong or anything but I felt in the context of this discussion you were alluding to that sort of liberated freewheeling thought, and I was wrong on that.

 

[blackg]

Well I blame myself for expecting a retard to be able to look up simple facts. What exactly is your position? Because you haven't actually clarified that. Post these 5 sites of whatever the f*** you're attempting to argue.

Are you saying suicide rates among transgender people are normal?

As well as the notion Jews had literally "no idea" they might die, after being incarcerated for no reason, like they knew their ancestors were, brought to a slum, for no reason, and kept there and treated horrendously, for no reason, you think they believed they'd just be brought back home?

Please stop drinking. Your brain cells are past depletion.

Yes, suicide rates among transgenderes is assumed to be around 40 percent.
But the amount of mental health issues garnered from the subsequent investigations indicates a percentage of sought assistance for psychological problems at those that closely mirror the rest of the populous.

This should be obvious. The reasons for the suicide of transgenderes rests with a society antagonistic to acceptance.

 

[Exodus2011]

You won't get out of it this easy.
Making broad assumptions, as you do, will always come back and bite you on the ***.

By the way. I googled those "40 percent" stats.
And only two sites corroborated what you claim.
Five more alignmed themselves with my position.

Bad research. A poor effort on your behalf.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

"The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries"

 

[blackg]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/

"The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries"

That's basically what I said. Why are some of you struggling here?
Read people!

 

[Exodus2011]

Rudiger was probably remembering just one stat, whatever, point is trans suicide rate is high as f***. And most of the studies show a rate in that range

Suicide rate for people as a whole is like 4 or 5 % btw

 

[blackg]

Rudiger was probably remembering just one stat, whatever, point is trans suicide rate is high as f***. And most of the studies show a rate in that range

Suicide rate for people as a whole is like 4 or 5 % btw

This is true. But @Rudiger claims that 100 percent of those 40 percent of transgenderes that commit suicide are/were mentally ill.
I disagree with this 100 percent of those 40 percent.
So I can see where he got confused along the way.
It does get hard to follow.
I also don't think @Rudiger gets much sleep.

 

[Rudiger]

Yes, suicide rates among transgenderes is assumed to be around 40 percent.
But the amount of mental health issues garnered from the subsequent investigations indicates a percentage of sought assistance for psychological problems at those that closely mirror the rest of the populous.

This should be obvious. The reasons for the suicide of transgenderes rests with a society antagonistic to acceptance.

But you just said that my 40% statistic is bullshit, you even looked it up after much probing, and said that there's weak evidence for it. And then you actually f*****g tell me "you won't get out of this so easily" what exactly are you pinning me on?

Posts and posts later we finally get to the Crux of what I'm originally saying, which most people understand in just a few words, but with you it takes a monumentous effort.

So what I initially said was that transgendered people have a higher suicide attempt rates than those who were in Auschwitz, and you'd have to be insane to think that societies lack of acceptance of transgender people (which nobody is denying by the way) is as bad as the conditions in Auschwitz.

No doubt bullying will cause depression and suicidal thoughts, but for 40 f*****g per cent?! These people clearly already have issues outside of dysmorphia.

Actually here's a recent article you may find interesting (or stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalala");

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds

Stonewall survey shows eight out of 10 trans young people bullied at school or college have self-harmed, despite instances of LGBT bullying decreasing

But but but I don't get it! Society is becoming more accepting, we now have gender neutral sections of clothes shops for school kids to benefit the 0.02% of transgender children in the UK, these children themselves acknowledge bullying is going down, so everything is surely progressing?

Nope, they wanna self harm and kill themselves even more.

What could lead to such a phenomenon? I dunno, maybe people who become self obsessed about their self inflicted identity crisis, actually want to be persecuted? And when they don't get their fix, life is even worse for them.

That's a blanket statement and generalisation, but it's a f*****g correct one. The problem here is that you'll take this argument as me applying it to every single transgender person, when really this is becoming a societal issue that we need to look at objectively from a broader range.

But I don't expect you to understand any of this. You literally get upset at the mere mention of the word "Auschwitz" and think it's triggering, I am not dealing with a rational man here.